So, you stopped reading after the third word?

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I assume you'll need me to be more clear. The presence of a center does not affect me negatively. In fact, it will benefit the community. But will that benefit offset the negative associated with spending student fees on something that is fundamentally opposed to the purpose (or proper purpose) of student fees? Maybe, you think that it will--or you dismiss the entire argument that it isn't the role of fees--I don't think it will and that doesn't make me a bigot.

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2006 3:28:21 PM

i read it and there was nothing of value in it.

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"I assume you'll need me to be more clear. The presence of a center does not affect me negatively. In fact, it will benefit the community. But will that benefit offset the negative associated with spending student fees on something that is fundamentally opposed to the purpose (or proper purpose) of student fees?"

Do you even know what student fees are for?

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2006 3:30:00 PM

I guess the most honest answer I have for that is: No, not crystal clear. Do you have the mission statement or anything where that is explained?

As far as what I THINK the definition is, I think they are for benefitting the overall community of students at NC State. But I'd think a corollary to that is also to uphold the ideas of NC State, which I would hope doesn't include discriminating or separating based on gender, race, creed, or sexual preference.

10/28/2006 3:34:20 PM

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"But I'd think a corollary to that is also to uphold the ideas of NC State, which I would hope doesn't include discriminating or separating based on gender, race, creed, or sexual preference."

How is it discriminatory? Besides, the center will uphold the most basic ideal of the University--Education. The whole point behind the center is to allow for the university to have a better engine to bring in speakers and have an open discussion on the issue.

Based upon your argument we shouldn't even have a campus ministry.

10/28/2006 3:37:43 PM

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"But will that benefit offset the negative associated with spending student fees on something that is fundamentally opposed to the purpose (or proper purpose) of student fees?"

What? I dont get this at all

10/28/2006 3:38:04 PM

Shouldn't have one, or shouldn't pay for one?

Because the latter, I agree.

10/28/2006 3:38:38 PM

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"Shouldn't have one, or shouldn't pay for one? Because the latter, I agree."

how can you have something if you don't pay for it?

10/28/2006 3:40:01 PM

Private funding...

Is this new to you?

10/28/2006 3:41:18 PM

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 3:41 PM. Reason : nvmd]

10/28/2006 3:41:37 PM

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"Private funding... Is this new to you?"

Is the concept of a Public University new to you?

10/28/2006 3:42:46 PM

Well, I guess if this:

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"1 : an institution of higher learning providing facilities for teaching and research and authorized to grant academic degrees;"

http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
is the wrong definition of university, then you may have a point.

10/28/2006 3:46:19 PM

you misssed the key word--Public

10/28/2006 3:47:38 PM

So, the definition of the former overrides the definition of the latter? That's odd.

10/28/2006 3:48:25 PM

are you really that incapable of sentient thought?

10/28/2006 3:49:14 PM

Public + University
I would think the 7th definition given by webster for the adjective "public" is in order

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"7 : supported by public funds and private contributions rather than by income from commercials "

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"1 : an institution of higher learning providing facilities for teaching and research and authorized to grant academic degrees;""

So, wherein does that trump my idea of using private funding rather than student fees?

10/28/2006 4:30:23 PM

you are numb

10/28/2006 5:39:09 PM

In soap-box style, you resort to personal attacks and impotent sound bites when you have nothing of substance to retort.

A simple "You think its not a proper use of the funds and I do, you think the benefit might not outweigh the costs, I do"

would have been sufficient, but its better to try to discredit the opposition by calling them names rather than leave it as a difference of opinion.

10/28/2006 5:45:31 PM

you are numb because you completely ignore the fucking point. You don't even bother arguing what other people argue. That is why you are numb.

10/28/2006 6:01:57 PM

i think we need a building for each group, you know, males, females, whites, blacks, Hispanics, straight, gay, bi, transsexual, asexual, dorks, jocks, nerds, stoner's, druggies, emo folk, goths, Asians, and then some more for every single region.... screw that one for each STATE and region world wide....

campus can be one big clump of feel good buildings .....


how about one building where everyone is.... and actually fostering interaction and understanding rather than separation and isolation....

10/30/2006 3:54:02 PM

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"how about one building where everyone is.... and actually fostering interaction and understanding rather than separation and isolation...."

how is this center not representing the former?

10/30/2006 8:59:26 PM

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"and actually fostering interaction and understanding rather than separation and isolation...."

hey its almost like you read the mission statement for this group

10/30/2006 9:07:45 PM

My fraternity has an office in ncsu building. No 9 page threads complaining about that.

Sizable clubs & groups sometimes have offices on college campuses & schools. It’s not worth making a fuss over. If your club or group grows big enough, maybe it can have an office too. It’s not the end of the world folks.

10/31/2006 11:24:05 AM

Supplanter, how much student fees pay for that office?
If its >0, I'm pissed about it.

10/31/2006 11:25:50 AM

I'm sure somewhere between taxes or student fees that you've paid atleast 1 cent to help out that office. But I don't see a "Anti-Supplanter's Fraternity Office thread" in the lounge anywhere.

10/31/2006 11:30:29 AM

if it was about principle (as you claimed) it wouldnt matter how much money went to it

10/31/2006 1:07:23 PM

Very true Guth...hence my "If its >0, I'm pissed" comment.

The first question was for specific information to find out if this example even applied and the second was a restatement of principle.

10/31/2006 1:24:06 PM

they have an office, they don't need a new 'center'

10/31/2006 2:02:42 PM

where

10/31/2006 2:03:52 PM

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"This does nothing but further segment the student population."

I don't think the *intent* is to do this- I think the intent is to make this specific group of people feel like there is somewhere on campus that they can find support. Clearly, after reading some of the replies to this thread some individuals on this campus have some strong opinions on this specific group of people.

10/31/2006 2:16:34 PM

In fact- for those who are interested- here is the explanation of where student fees go:

http:/www.fis.ncsu.edu/cashier/Tuition/explanation.asp


Now looking at this- I'm paying $30 to get Thompson theatre renovated? I'd rather that money go to this new group.

10/31/2006 2:20:06 PM

http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/cashier/Tuition/explanation.asp

10/31/2006 2:35:07 PM

Someone said earlier that the upkeep of the center would be costly. The official answer to that can be found in the proposal for the center (which I doubt many of you arguing this point have even read) found at http://www.ncsu.edu/lgbt/docs/lgbt_proposal.pdf.

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"The GLBT Center proposed will be organizationally located in Student Affairs, in which division most of the current programming and support resources are located, with funding provided jointly between Academic Affairs and Student Affairs."

So, the regular upkeep will not be 'just' student money. Also, the initial amount isn't just furnishings and the like, it includes money to purchase resources helpful to students and faculty members to keep up with current and historical LGBT issues. Books, journal subscriptions, magazines, videos, etc... (not porn)

As for getting supplies from surplus for furnishings, I'm sure the department will do things as cost efficient as possible, but I doubt they are going to use items which look like shit because the center will be used to host events for both current students and prospective students who may want to go to NCSU.

The actual request in the proposal is for an area with a large room (for resources, meeting space, couches and such) and two offices. One for the director which would be a decent sized office so they could have students in who needed a private space to talk, and a medium office for the assistant who would keep the records and be able to privately do work such as making calls, planning events, etc while students could remain in the larger area.

All in all, it's a good plan, it just needs startup money.

http://www.ncsu.edu/diversity/

[Edited on October 31, 2006 at 5:17 PM. Reason : cl]

10/31/2006 5:16:53 PM

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"I don't think the *intent* is to do this- I think the intent is to make this specific group of people feel like there is somewhere on campus that they can find support."

Of course that wasn't their intent. But in the real world we don't look at intentions, we focus on consequences.

10/31/2006 5:28:17 PM

in 9 pages you havent demonstrated any proof or reasoning for your idea that this will segment the campus

10/31/2006 5:42:37 PM

Having people who can bring margaret cho to perform at mckimmons center or help get the everyone welcome here shirts and flags up like bgla does, but on a larger scale, will hardly divide anyone.

10/31/2006 6:03:31 PM

well except that margaret cho sucks

10/31/2006 6:18:42 PM

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"in 9 pages you havent demonstrated any proof or reasoning for your idea that this will segment the campus"

I'd say you haven't demonstrated any proof that it wouldn't, but of course you think you have.

My only proof is in the fact that this is another "center" that appeals to one portion of the student section based on something that shouldn't even matter. Maybe it won't and it will do a lot of good, and I hope it will. I'm hoping it does so well it eventually doesn't need our student fees to fund it any longer.

10/31/2006 7:58:48 PM

ANYONE WHO IS MAKING FUN OF GAYS IS A COMPLETE ASSHOLE. They did not choose to be gay, and they did not choose to put up with the prejudice that you all have towards them. They were born gay just like people are born black or white. The reason that they should have a center is to escape you jerks who constantly make them feel subhuman, when they are much cooler than you. You should feel terrible for calling them "faggots". I would love it if ALL of my tutition went towards an LBGT center, rather than to the sports teams so that boring straight guys have an even better reason to get shitfaced and annoy everyone. GROW UP, and treat your fellow humans with respect.

10/31/2006 8:21:18 PM

PS - LBGT brings awesome performers to campus, if you missed Elvira Kurt a couple of weeks ago you totally missed out, and she was brought here thanks to the good taste of the people who you so horribly call "faggots"

10/31/2006 8:23:12 PM

shutup faggot

10/31/2006 8:25:52 PM

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"I would love it if ALL of my tutition went towards an LBGT center, rather than to the sports teams so that boring straight guys have an even better reason to get shitfaced and annoy everyone. GROW UP, and treat your fellow humans with respect. "

What would be left of your tuition for education? Why don't you just give them money on your own?

10/31/2006 8:36:37 PM

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"if you missed Elvira Kurt a couple of weeks ago you totally missed out"

hahahaha

10/31/2006 9:51:05 PM

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"shutup faggot"

10/31/2006 10:04:38 PM

GAY PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN STRAIGHT PEOPLE OK

10/31/2006 10:12:02 PM

PeacePande I have not seen any scientific proof that people are born Gay. I know that their is scientific proof that people are born black and white. Everyone deals with some prejudice or hate from other people that doesn't mean you get your own center. They need to escape from what? In 6 years on this campus I have watched the athletic teams make money. I don't think I have ever seen a LBGT group make money for the university. I am grown up and I am open minded but its stupid to further divide the campus. Not everyone or group can have their own building. My point is that your stupid for arguing for division of our campus. If you want to be included don't go and separate yourself from the rest of the population.

10/31/2006 10:31:06 PM

It's not dividing the campus. There is no rule that says straight people can't enjoy the LBGT center as well, just like straight people can enjoy the events that they bring to campus. You can mock me all you want, but the only reason it would divide the campus is because straight people would stay away. I'm pretty sure the gay students aren't saying "NO STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN OUR CENTER," it's the straight kids who wouldn't want to hang out there. As you can see from this thread, gays withstand lots of prejudice, which is exactly what they need to escape sometimes....Almost every other post is calling them faggots or insulting them. They deserve a place where they can escape that hatred. By the way, there have been MANY scientific studies proving that there is a "gay gene," just google it. AND....Let's be peaceful about this it's just a discussion, no need to be mean.

11/1/2006 12:51:36 AM

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"ANYONE WHO IS MAKING FUN OF GAYS IS A COMPLETE ASSHOLE. They did not choose to be gay"

Then explain to me why there aren't any hot lesbians on campus...people obviously choose to be gay because if they didnt choose to then there would be a lot of hot lesbians...it is just people who want some extra attention

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 1:00 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2006 12:59:58 AM

I know a couple of hot lesbians.

11/1/2006 1:11:16 AM

yeaaaaaaaaa sure ya do

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 1:15 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2006 1:14:42 AM

TKEshultz-

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"welcome to student health"

Being gay is not a health issue....

11/1/2006 1:25:34 AM