please show me a single AD that bases his decision on what the typical fan has to say, or even gives fans a say in the matter. its not just a lee fowler thing.


[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 1:59 PM. Reason : fg]

11/30/2006 1:58:16 PM

i don't think its so much that his decision is influenced by the fans (or isnt)

i think it has to do with the impression he makes in seeing the fans as proletariats

11/30/2006 2:00:12 PM

can someone post any inside information about a total list of who exactly state is looking at and the status

11/30/2006 2:01:42 PM

^i can see that, but the again, what do you expect when you have thousands of people trying to tell you how to do you job.

its not his job to make friends, and he sure as hell can't please everyone.



[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 2:03 PM. Reason : df]

11/30/2006 2:02:23 PM

^^^^ it's not jsut a fan... it's lots of fans


he keeps fucking up and he keeps badmouthing a failry large segemtn of the fanbase and he's asking to be thrown out on his ass


I was Ma Fox was still here

well the fans can love him or hate him, if he keeps botching shit he's gonna get fired

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 2:03 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2006 2:02:35 PM

Quote :

"it's not jsut a fan... it's lots of fans "

that doesnt make a difference. if you please the complainers now, then a whole new set of people are going to complain. you simply can't get wrapped up in public opinion when you have a job like that.

Quote :

"well the fans can love him or hate him, if he keeps botching shit he's gonna get fired"

maybe so, but that will be the chancellors decision, not the fans.

11/30/2006 2:07:26 PM

I understand, but you have to address discontent at a certain level

11/30/2006 2:09:09 PM

Don't act like the Chancellor doesn't give a shit what the fans think. They are the biggest source of revenue for the athletics department.

The fans have a pretty big say in the fate of the athletics director. To say otherwise would be naive.

11/30/2006 2:12:14 PM

theres a reason why this saying exists:

"when you start listening to the fans, you end up sitting with them"

think what you want.

11/30/2006 2:15:27 PM

so when people start booing him and telling him he needs to get out (while at games with important people around) you don't think that would matter?

11/30/2006 2:16:59 PM

i think that reflects poorly on the fans, not the AD.

11/30/2006 2:17:58 PM

it does


but there will be a note on my next wolfpack club payment however

11/30/2006 2:19:16 PM

fans are the shareholders essentially.

if you cant go any higher, you must FIRE!

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 2:20 PM. Reason : f]

11/30/2006 2:20:05 PM

our stock is low


I shoulda sold my LTRs 4 years ago, made a nice profit and purchased new seats elsewhere

11/30/2006 2:23:12 PM

anyways, back on topic

I think I'm beginning to like the prospect of Johnson as our next coach

I'm personally thinking we need an offensive mind this go around (but i guess thats the wholesale thought as well)

11/30/2006 2:26:29 PM

if fisher really does come with the auburn dc, whatever his name is, then that's got to be the best choice.

11/30/2006 2:33:25 PM

Quote :

"I shoulda sold my LTRs 4 years ago, made a nice profit and purchased new seats elsewhere"

i would sell mine, but they're not transferrable like Panthers PSLs.....except to your spouse if you die

11/30/2006 2:39:55 PM

If it is true about Jimbo Fisher and the Aubrun DC then let's bypass a second humiliating coaching search and bring him in ASAP.

11/30/2006 2:40:12 PM

^agreed.

11/30/2006 2:41:42 PM

^ I used to work for the parks and recreation of wake county

11/30/2006 2:42:36 PM

Quote :

"have you read what the wolfpack club is for? The mission of the NCSU Student Aid Association (Wolfpack Club) is to provide private financial support for athletic scholarships and facilities for NC State University. now, please show me where the hell it says that you should have any say in any of the hiring or firing decisions of the university. until you can, then bitch all you want about the coaches and AD, but realize that you have ZERO say or impact on the decision."

wendell murphy is in the wolfpack club and is a donor (albeit a large one)...he has decision making influence and power as well as the other top 10 wolfpack club members...even though they may have an ambitious mission, you can't honestly say money isn't an influencer in the decision making process.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2006 2:42:55 PM

thats why i said "you" and not "wendell murphy"

as far as i know, wendell murphy is not posting "FIRE FOWLER" on any website, which is what we were talking about.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 2:47 PM. Reason : df]

11/30/2006 2:45:48 PM

whatever, I'll be there one day


I mean, what is the hype about fisher everyone seems to be on the OMG HE CAN RECRUIT

so what, we've had a good recruiter for 7 years, look where that got us with wins and losses

11/30/2006 2:47:25 PM

LSU has also been putting points on the board as opposed to our offense

11/30/2006 2:51:15 PM

Quote :

"i would sell mine, but they're not transferrable like Panthers PSLs.....except to your spouse if you die "

actually they are. I know b/c i just went and bought mine two days ago. You can go purchase new ones anytime you want, and you're locked into the price of the seats at the time of original purchase. So lets say you bought spirit level seats for $2k a piece and you want to buy confidence level seats for $4k a piece. You pay the $4k per seat, minus whatever you've paid to that point on your previous tickets. Furthermore, lets say you wait to upgrade and you want to upgrade 10 years from now from spirit to confidence, but now instead of $4k per seat, confidence LTR's are $6k a piece. You're still locked into that original $4k per seat from when you bought your LTR's.

That combined with the exciting prospect of a new coach motivated me to go buy 'em a couple days ago.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2006 2:51:32 PM

shit, i didn't even see that

yeah, as far as I know the WPC said I could sell them and upgrade

11/30/2006 2:54:48 PM

Quote :

"I mean, what is the hype about fisher everyone seems to be on the OMG HE CAN RECRUIT so what, we've had a good recruiter for 7 years, look where that got us with wins and losses "

If both amato and fisher can recruit then maybe fisher will be able to complete the other piece of the puzzle and turn our losses into wins

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 3:41 PM. Reason : new]

11/30/2006 3:30:58 PM

Bruce Feldman on ESPNEWS just said he thinks Dave Cutliffe or Norm Chow or Jimbo Fisher for the NC State job..

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2006 4:20:45 PM

how insightful

11/30/2006 4:57:30 PM

Chow and Cutliffe both said they havent been contacted by NCSU.

Interesting article by Mandel http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/football/ncaa/2006/11/how-will-wolfpack-counter-tar-heels.html

Says Lane Kiffin would be an interesting candidate.

11/30/2006 5:36:31 PM

Quote :

"Obviously Wolf Pack fans hope..."

we're not nevada!

edit: and lane kiffin is a very interesting prospect. hmmmm. like he said though, that's a big risk for a man in fowler's position.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 5:57 PM. Reason : lane kiffin? hmm]

11/30/2006 5:54:24 PM

WHAT THE FUCK IS LEE FOWLER DOING THEN

11/30/2006 6:00:33 PM

About to talk about Cowher again on PTI during Sportscenter.

11/30/2006 6:03:05 PM

i was unaware B Davis has a superbowl ring ... when and where did he achieve that?

11/30/2006 6:10:00 PM

^Defensive Coordinator/Defensive line coach for the Cowboys!!!

Coached under Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer.

11/30/2006 6:13:42 PM

^^^damn i missed it, what did they say about cowher??

11/30/2006 6:16:45 PM

^^^what is there to talk about? He has already said he isn't coming here.

11/30/2006 6:17:06 PM

They were commenting on Cowher...Wilbon said with a smile maybe not now, but you can tell that he is entertaining the idea. Tony said I could see him in the future going back to NCSU.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 6:22 PM. Reason : could]

11/30/2006 6:22:36 PM

so who wants to post what packpride's latest "scoop" is?

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 7:25 PM. Reason : ?]

11/30/2006 7:24:36 PM

So far i believe that Lane Kiffin seems pretty interesting along with Jimbo Fisher

Maybe its because our offensive schemes have been stagnant since PRiv. Both can recruit and be able to coach for an extended period as long as they have consistent success.

Fisher has an edge if he is able to produce good coordinators to come come with him, but as for now it is all rumor. Kiffin is a proven top 25 recruiter and a good coach at 31.

11/30/2006 7:29:19 PM

^^nothing earth shattering

11/30/2006 7:30:07 PM

^^ I'd rather have Kiffin or Fisher over Cutliffe. Cutliffe was the HC at Ole Miss right? No thanks.

11/30/2006 8:27:11 PM

Contract is going to Paul Johnson first, then chow and the others.


We want Paul Johnson.

We need a good HEAD COACH

not another coordinator from somewhere

11/30/2006 8:36:09 PM

i wouldn't mind johnson, chow, or fischer

i'd prefer fischer, johnson, then chow

but whatever...

i wanna get this shit over with soon and hope fowler doesn't do anything stupid


^fischer has lots of other advantages over johnson
1) good recruiting line
2) coaching at a top level program
3) and the DC from Auburn


[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 8:44 PM. Reason : more shit]

11/30/2006 8:42:21 PM

I would definitely be excited about getting Johnson, or Fischer... not sure about Chow, he's someone who's never seemed satisfied where he is, even if he did finally get the head coaching nod, i don't know if he'd still be satisfied...

statement from the Wikipedia.com article on johnson (dunno if it's been posted here)

Quote :

""I am flattered to be rumored to be on the A-List for the open Head Coaching position at the University of Alabama. However, I am going to remain the Head Coach of the Navy Midshipmen and I am looking forward to preparing for our bowl game, and especially to next season, as I feel we have an opportunity to do something that hasn't been done here at Navy in a long time. Again, thanks for putting my name out there, but no thanks.""

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 10:19 PM. Reason : /]

11/30/2006 10:17:51 PM

Why should I believe that fischer wouldnt get the same results that amato did

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 11:13 PM. Reason : sd]

11/30/2006 11:11:26 PM

Johnson will have Navy's best shot ever at beating Notre Dame next year - I think Johnson wants that shot to not only be one of the best coaches in Navy history, but go down as a god there.

11/30/2006 11:15:21 PM

^^ b/c fisher is an oc, not a linebacker coach, and offense wins in college football. but really, you could say 'how do i don't know cowher/chow/johnson won't have the same results as chuck?' and there'd be no definitive answer.

11/30/2006 11:17:12 PM

I haven't heard anyone mention solich. Dude has ohio in their first bowl game since the 60's. My dad went there so I kinda follow what they do and they've NEVER been any good. That's a BIG accomplishment. Also,he was a good coach at nebraska, he just couldn't live up to those insane expectations. Think he went like 9-2 the season he got fired?

anyways, just wondering. he's a good coach and I bet he'd make the leap into a larger conference.

11/30/2006 11:32:10 PM

^ i think i just read on espn that solich was rumored to be one of the candiates for cinci. he comes with some baggage, too.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 11:46 PM. Reason : talking about solich]

11/30/2006 11:45:49 PM