It's probably because the people who run the Cavs aren't idiots who would disqualify a guy just because of what school he went to. Hickson has way more potential than ced, not the least of which is the ability to look coordinated when he is moving on the floor.

In 3-4 years, Hickson will emerge late in the season and the playoffs to provide a big boost to some playoff team.

6/15/2008 9:51:47 PM

If the Cavs take him, he most likely becomes trade bait.

This isn't a team that's necessarily looking to develop players--they need a big man and another 1-2 guard who can produce immediately, or otherwise Lebron could be gone to another team and the Cavs are back down in the bottom of the league.

6/15/2008 10:06:34 PM

I don't see how he's good enough yet to go pro, but I don't really understand the whole process. And I can't know the future either.

I said the same thing about Simmons in the past, and everybody was like, "You don't know what you're talking about. He'll be a solid player. Blah, blah, blah..." And dude ended up in the D-league.

I was the only one on here who said that I couldn't see him in the pros yet.

Y'all fuckers just need to admit that most of you don't know what you're talking about. I mean, this thread is nine pages? Seriously?

Next time you hear some girls blabbing on about some pair of shoes, don't roll your eyes. You guys talk about pointless shit, too, except you don't even acknowledge that you're all talking out your asses.

I'm just saying.

Oh, and good luck to Hickson...not good luck as a State player (b/c one year doesn't mean shit), but good luck to that guy with skills who played a few good games here at NC State.

[Edited on June 15, 2008 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ]

6/15/2008 10:26:05 PM

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"I said the same thing about Simmons in the past, and everybody was like, "You don't know what you're talking about. He'll be a solid player. Blah, blah, blah..." And dude ended up in the D-league. "

You want a cracker?

Simmons wasn't ready and it cost him. I don't know anyone who thought he was actually ready. Same with Powell... who by the way has carved himself out a pretty nice career in the NBA to this point.

It's an imperfect science. Josh McSoberts could have gone Top 10 if he came out after his frosh year, but he stayed too long and is now struggling to even STAY in the D-League...

JJ is athletic enough to stick on a roster at the very least. Personally I don't think he has the body to play the position his skillset demands. NBA 4's will eat him alive... He'll have a better NBA career than the other ACC JJ..

[Edited on June 15, 2008 at 10:30 PM. Reason : x]

[Edited on June 15, 2008 at 10:31 PM. Reason : x]

6/15/2008 10:30:19 PM

^I don't want a cracker. I mean, I believe I said Simmons wasn't "that good," which is pretty vague and even now could be argued with. It's not like I'm Miss Cleo and you need to call me for a free reading.

6/15/2008 10:34:38 PM

signed with an agent
http://www.newsobserver.com/734/story/1109636.html


Looks like it'll be a great season...

Lowe: After going through several workouts with NBA teams, J.J. received very positive feedback and feels this is a great opportunity for him to be drafted," Lowe said. "He had a great season with us last year, and he will always be a part of our Wolfpack family. We are very happy for him and his family.

[Edited on June 16, 2008 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 16, 2008 at 9:24 AM. Reason : .]

6/16/2008 9:22:53 AM

next year will be worse then last year. If that's even possible.

6/16/2008 10:18:08 AM

Well now we get to test McCauley/Costner.

That was an awesome duo in 2006... with HIckson, sucked. Wonder if they can revert and go back to 2006.

Lets hope.

6/16/2008 10:21:40 AM

so what is the latest on Costner transferring?

6/16/2008 10:22:35 AM

i think JJ leaving will be a good thing for the program. The guy was a great player, but it's obvious his presence created chemistry problems.

6/16/2008 10:41:21 AM

best case scenario is that Hickson goes as high as possible in the draft and recruits see that, and Costner and McCauley revert to their 2006/07 form and we at least finish with a winning record. We get a little hype, hopefully get 2 out of 3 of Brown/Wall/Favors (favors would be really nice since we'll have no bigs in '09 besides Costner).

.....but this is NCSU, best case scenario is not in our vocabulary.

6/16/2008 10:47:51 AM

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"i think JJ leaving will be a good thing for the program. The guy was a great player, but it's obvious his presence created chemistry problems."

HOLY CRAP!!! I can't believe not ONE of us have thought of this yet... WOW

call GOPACK.COM and post this!

6/16/2008 10:50:27 AM

Thank god, it's no longer possible for me to have any optimism going into next season.

6/16/2008 10:54:59 AM

^^stfu you wanker. if unoriginal thoughts were banned on this board, it would be empty. although I should have used carrots, I was replying to this post

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"next year will be worse then last year. If that's even possible. "

[Edited on June 16, 2008 at 10:55 AM. Reason : ^^]

6/16/2008 10:55:10 AM

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"favors would be really nice since we'll have no bigs in '09 besides Costner"

Besides Costner we'll have Tracy Smith and if Horner could bulk up some he could play the 4. He played some at the 4 during his freshman year, mainly out of necessity, but he did pretty well banging down low. Can you imagine what a lethal combination of a frontcourt with Horner and Costner would be like if they play up to their potential and can hit the outside jumper? We could really pull the other team's bigs away from the basket every now and then and hopefully open up some driving lanes for our guards.

6/16/2008 11:03:34 AM

horner is deathly afraid of even thinking about leaving the wing and going inside

i think its a bit of a stretch to think he'll be able to play well down low

6/16/2008 11:07:34 AM

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"if Horner could bulk up some he could play the 4"

...then we'd most likely end up with a situation just like Brackman, a guy who will have a huge amount of difficulty adjusting his game to his new size.

I'll take the tradeoff of being thin for solid shooting in his case.

6/16/2008 11:17:03 AM

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"horner is deathly afraid of even thinking about leaving the wing and going inside not pump faking when he gets the ball"

Fixed it for you

6/16/2008 11:18:48 AM

^^EXACTLY

[Edited on June 16, 2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason : ^ well that too]

6/16/2008 11:18:49 AM

Next year is going to be scary. I think a lot of people are forgetting about one crucial thing. The 3 pt line is being moved back. Now our shooting deficiencies will be even more magnified, especially with Javi and Degand...

I hate to say it, but I think we might be looking at a 10 win season, unless McCauley and Costner play even BETTER than they did 2 years ago...

6/16/2008 11:48:49 AM

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"Besides Costner we'll have Tracy Smith and if Horner could bulk up some he could play the 4."

Both of those guys are 6'7" (maybe horner's barely 6'8"), if costner is our only player taller than 6'7", we aren't going to beat very many ACC teams, much less anyone else. Who guards the other team's center?

I'm sure we'll get someone if we whiff on Favors who can at least try to man the paint...

6/16/2008 1:45:05 PM

Aim Lowe
Avoid Dissapointment



the motto is back!!!

6/16/2008 1:47:46 PM

and actually, i think Tracy Smith will be a pretty good player for us.


we're still at least 3 years away from being a contender though (or so i tell myself)

6/16/2008 1:49:20 PM

Tracy Smith should be the main one to benefit from JJ leaving....dude didn't get enough playing time last year. He hustles and has decent footwork inside. Are we even sure Costner will be back?

[Edited on June 16, 2008 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ^We aren't contenders until Lowe is gone]

6/16/2008 2:31:42 PM

i will never understand the people who think costner is transferring

6/16/2008 2:33:13 PM

I'm not talking bad about Tracy, i just don't think we're going to win many games if he's our only other option at the 5. Unfortunately, whoever might be another option at the 5 in '09 will be a freshman.

6/16/2008 3:03:07 PM

lol. we gonna suck for a while in bball, get used to it

6/16/2008 3:04:02 PM

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"i will never understand the people who think costner is transferring"

if he doesn't play better than he did last year...i wish he would.

6/16/2008 4:13:59 PM

gtfo jj

6/16/2008 10:29:17 PM

Meanwhile over in Blue Heaven, things are looking good for basketball dominance next season.

6/16/2008 10:55:03 PM

god.

6/16/2008 10:57:51 PM

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"I'm not talking bad about Tracy, i just don't think we're going to win many games if he's our only other option at the 5. Unfortunately, whoever might be another option at the 5 in '09 will be a freshman. "

you're a bit off if you think we would ever consider playing him at the 5

6/16/2008 11:29:53 PM

^we don't have any real 5s on the roster except maybe Ben

so he'll see time there

6/16/2008 11:40:35 PM

I think Ben can keep up with most of the big men in the ACC this upcoming year

6/16/2008 11:51:34 PM

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"i will never understand the people who think costner is transferring"

Who said anything about transferring? He supposedly graduated....

Plus there actually was talk on Seton Hall's boards that he was going there.

[Edited on June 17, 2008 at 2:13 AM. Reason : If he plays like last year then cut his lazy ass]

6/17/2008 2:12:57 AM

TRACY SMIFF

6/17/2008 4:05:28 AM

OH NO, WE SUCK AGAIN!

6/17/2008 8:19:44 AM

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"NC State may have better chemistry: That might not be fair, but it will be interesting to see if the Wolfpack -- especially Ben McCauley and Brandon Costner -- go back to playing more balanced basketball now that J.J. Hickson is gone after one season. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=3447062

6/17/2008 11:46:21 AM

How you guys can blame the chemistry problems on anyone except Sidney Lowe baffles me. Any team should be better off with a player like JJ. Lowe brought in NBA talent and the team got worse. You can't blame the players for that.

Why couldn't Sidney Lowe 'Win Total' have left for the NBA and JJ stayed?

6/17/2008 12:30:21 PM

how do you explain the incredible chemistry from 2006 then?

6/17/2008 12:32:21 PM

did you people forget that Gavin was fucking Costner's girlfriend

that was one of the biggest reasons for the team chemistry. the team was divided b/c of this.

this has been discussed on several NCSU sports boards

6/17/2008 12:40:41 PM

6/17/2008 12:42:00 PM

^^^ adrenaline. the guys knew they were outnumbered in every matchup.


also, as Sun Tsu said: Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought. -- better conditioning and training on the fundamentals in the preseason helps a lot



[Edited on June 17, 2008 at 12:43 PM. Reason : ]

6/17/2008 12:43:23 PM

I don't care who was banging whos gf. Bottom line is the coach should get the players heads straight.

Most other teams that beat our asses during the season bring in talent and mysteriously get better. We're the opposite.

6/17/2008 1:13:30 PM

One team's name at trivia last night: J.J. Hickson, European Superstar.

I laughed.

6/17/2008 1:20:06 PM

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"how do you explain the incredible chemistry from 2006 then?"

Everyone knows the chemistry went to shit in 07. The point is who is to blame. You guys act like JJ was OJ Mayo. He wasn't some attention whore. He was a hard worker who has a lot of talent. It wasn't his fault that Lowe stuck him in the starting line up from the beginning when he should have come off the bench. It wasn't JJ's fault that Costner got fat and slow. It wasn't JJ fault that the PG situation sucked. And it wasn't JJ's fault that the other bigs couldn't handle having a freshman play infront of them.

JJ should have been great for this team and this program. Lowe gets 100% of the blame for last year.

And you guys that think we'll be better off without him need to wake up. Welcome to the Lowe Era.

Les Era > Lowe Era

6/17/2008 1:59:50 PM

and YOU need to wake up if you think all of those problems you listed were Lowe's fault.

Its lowe's fault that his point guard tore his ACL?
Its Lowe's fault that Costner couldn't throw the ball in the ocean if he was standing in it?
Its Lowe's fault that Gavin and Courtney like to pass to the other team?
Its Lowe's fault that he inherited only 6 or 7 players, all recruited to play slow down basketball, and he lost the only one of them worth a crap to graduation?

Get a clue man. You won't know anything about Lowe for 2 more years. He's still coaching leftovers.

[Edited on June 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM. Reason : ]

6/17/2008 2:22:07 PM

^but it IS Lowe's fault that we haven't had adequate depth at the point for the past two seasons (some of the blame could also probably be put on Fowler for failing to maintain contact with recruits during the hiring process), you have to be prepared for injuries because it is part of sports...not to mention Lowe offered Javi instead of Chris Warren (15.8 points and 4.5 assists per game as a freshman at Ole Miss). Also it doesn't take 4 fucking years to know anything about a coach, look at Huggins taking West Virginia to the Sweet Sixteen in his first year. If things don't turn around pretty dramatically in the upcoming season, we should definitely be looking for a new coach.

[Edited on June 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM. Reason : .]

6/17/2008 2:32:58 PM

^^That SLOW basketball was winning us games.....

And we are scoring less under Lowe than we did with Sendek.

Some of you that say you can't judge Lowe have no clue.

[Edited on June 17, 2008 at 3:15 PM. Reason : ....]

6/17/2008 3:12:00 PM

Quote :

"did you people forget that Gavin was fucking Costner's girlfriend"

is this some joke based on archie miller/ adam harrington?

6/17/2008 3:54:12 PM