he behaves like him?

Kanye has tried to take healthcare from millions of americans? Kanye has demonized immigrants and separated them from their families? Kanye has passed regressive economic reforms?

Has Kanye named one Trump policy he supports? Has Kanye spouted and pushed racist policies? He's had some questionable comments about black americans, but since he is black seems like thats just ignorant not racist. I'd welcome some dumb shit comments about white america from trump, for once.

5/3/2018 7:56:55 AM

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"Has Kanye named one Trump policy he supports?"

aha, during an interview, Kanye was asked specifically which policies of Trump's that he supports. Surprise surprise, he wasn't able to give a concise answer. He was only able to say "I like that he won when everyone said that he couldn't." Further proof that Kanye is just a blowhard trying to get a reaction for the sake of publicity.

5/3/2018 8:07:48 AM

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"it should go without saying that the president be held to a different standard than a musician."

And yet here you typed out the words to actually say it...

It’s ironic how all you Kayne apologists can’t seem to understand what a comparison or an analogy is. Maybe you should listen to artists who write more profond lyrics than Kanye, since the one I made is so difficult for you to grasp. I think it’s kinda sad that y’all haven’t grown out of your Kanye phases yet, but I guess clinging to the nostalgia of your high school/college years helps to ease your cognitive dissonance about this whole thing.

5/3/2018 9:33:27 AM

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"And yet here you typed out the words to actually say it..."

Right. Because you are the only one who seemed to be holding them to the same standard.

This has nothing to do with being a dick riding Kanye stan. Most here don’t seem to be. I’m not. Nobody seems to be defending his comments except e man. Im just saying that it’s silly to put any stock into his political opinions. If I want insightful dialogue my first thought isn’t “what does Kanye think about this topic”. I’m not being a Kanye apologist by saying y’all shouldn’t give a fuck what he says about trump. I’m dismissing his his blathering as just that - pointless blathering for no apparent purpose other than to promote himself and make headlines...or maybe Kanye is really just that stupid. Idk.

And if you are a hardcore Kanye fan it shouldn’t be hard to separate the music from the person. We do it with problematic artists all the time.


[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 11:15 AM. Reason : A]

5/3/2018 11:10:57 AM

For the most part, I'm pretty sure the artists I'm into wouldn't support Trump... and especially wouldn't be outspoken about it if they did.

5/3/2018 11:51:30 AM

congrats?

5/3/2018 12:15:05 PM

kanye's voice is powerful, a lot of people follow what he says and does, when he says those things it normalizes it to a lot of people, that's why it's not something to just dismiss

5/3/2018 12:25:00 PM

I don’t think people are dismissing this/him at all

5/3/2018 12:35:46 PM

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"congrats?"

So an artist's vocal opinions on politics/life doesn't affect your support/admiration of that artist? Who are some other artists you like that vocally support trump? Or are evangelicals? Or are anti-abortion? Or anti-feminist? Or are bigots?

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2018 12:40:37 PM

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"Who are some other artists you like that vocally support trump? Or are evangelicals? Or are anti-abortion? Or anti-feminist? Or are bigots?"

nothing that he has said is on that level. he’s just said some super, super dumb shit. of course I’d have an issue supporting artists with those views.

most artists I’m a fan of don’t put it all out there for me to know, which is at the heart of all of this

I’ve also never said I’ve admired a musician for anything other than their music

this is a Dixie Chicks situation on steroids because 2018

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 12:58 PM. Reason : I’m not going to stop listening to Run the Jewels because Killer Mike is a fan of the NRA]

5/3/2018 12:49:28 PM

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"kanye's voice is powerful, a lot of people follow what he says and does, when he says those things it normalizes it to a lot of people, that's why it's not something to just dismiss"

hasn't kanye been widely criticized and laughed at for these tweets? of course he's got a huge platform, but i haven't really seen people rushing to agree with him (or if they were, they were of that mind before he ever said/tweeted anything). maybe i'm in a bubble...but the reaction i've seen hasn't been one of acceptance toward his comments and hasn't been him changing people's minds about trump or slavery or any other topic.

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"I’ve also never said I’ve admired a musician for anything other than their music "

yup. if somebody wants to hold their favorite musicians/entertainers/celebrities to a certain standard for political opinions, that's fine...nobody should tell you why to like or dislike somebody. but this is nothing new. we've been differentiating between the art and the person forever in entertainment stuff. tons of shitty people have made great entertainment that we've loved. doesn't change the fact that they're shitty people. you can enjoy the art and not the person, i think.

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 12:56 PM. Reason : w]

5/3/2018 12:51:55 PM

5/3/2018 1:36:29 PM

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"hasn't kanye been widely criticized and laughed at for these tweets? of course he's got a huge platform, but i haven't really seen people rushing to agree with him (or if they were, they were of that mind before he ever said/tweeted anything). maybe i'm in a bubble...but the reaction i've seen hasn't been one of acceptance toward his comments and hasn't been him changing people's minds about trump or slavery or any other topic. "

the answer is yes, you are in a bubble, loads of people are defending this new MAGA kanye

5/3/2018 2:00:50 PM

non-MAGA people?

5/3/2018 2:08:13 PM

https://pigeonsandplanes.com/in-depth/2018/05/kanye-west-prestige-theory

thought this could be Kaufman-esque a few days ago. glad to know I’m not the only one.

5/3/2018 2:56:21 PM

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" tons of shitty people have made great entertainment that we've loved. doesn't change the fact that they're shitty people. you can enjoy the art and not the person, i think."

hmmm. I think a lot of people no longer find Bill Cosby's comedy to be very funny anymore, but what do I know?

5/3/2018 2:58:06 PM

^^
I suspected it before, now I’m convinced

5/3/2018 3:09:38 PM

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"non-MAGA people?"

you think only woke people are fans of kanye and pay attention to what he does and says?



[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 3:17 PM. Reason : ?]

5/3/2018 3:13:31 PM

not really an answer to my question

what evidence do you have that fans of his are defending this new direction?

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2018 3:35:51 PM

you really want me to look for you?

okay, here is just a random assortment
https://twitter.com/AFreeBlackMan/status/990187933796831232
https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/991434739780382720
https://twitter.com/Smooth_Orator/status/991421805545041921
https://twitter.com/Education4Libs/status/991847848571428865
https://twitter.com/bocavista2016/status/991478075283165184
https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/990590075951075328
https://twitter.com/MarcGriff89/status/991326435091546112
https://twitter.com/hrtablaze/status/991347117510811649
etc...

it normalizes their nonsense

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 3:45 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2018 3:43:38 PM

5/3/2018 3:49:36 PM

step out of your bubble, kanye saying these things strengthens and normalizes a terrible narrative because he is famous and famous people have public voices

5/3/2018 3:51:24 PM

that platform is riddled with bots specifically made for things like this, so random tweets aren’t gonna cut it

and some of those people are clearly MAGA people

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2018 3:57:49 PM

Kanye shouldn't get a "pass", just because TGL bumped Kayne tracks in HS/College while partying with his friends. There, I said it.

5/3/2018 3:59:50 PM

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"hmmm. I think a lot of people no longer find Bill Cosby's comedy to be very funny anymore, but what do I know?"

HE RAPED PEOPLE

Kanye expressed a shitty idiotic opinion. He didnt drug and rape dozens. That’s a ridiculous comparison and you know it.

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 4:01 PM. Reason : ^ literally nobody said that. ]

5/3/2018 4:00:59 PM

It doesn’t have to be one or the other. You can hate what he said and think his music is good. You can hate his music and agree with what he said. You can like his music and his shitty opinions. And you can hate both. The two are entirely separate issues.

5/3/2018 4:03:50 PM

Maybe for you they're separate. For others, they're closely tied together. Personally, I try my best NOT to idolize celebrities, or really anyone for that matter, but we live in America, and plenty of people do. And when shit like this happens, it causes all sorts of problems- especially for young, vulnerable people who probably don't have great role models surrounding them.

5/3/2018 4:06:50 PM

Our president is a freakin' tabloid/reality TV celebrity

5/3/2018 4:09:05 PM

^

you are the voice of reason in this thread.

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ok, maybe I can ]

5/3/2018 4:09:41 PM

I mean, so far the evidence I’ve seen that this is some big issue is that a buncha maga twitter people agreed with Kanye. That’s not too surprising to me. What he said was completely fucking stupid. Obviously. I don’t really see a need to give it/him any more attention than it deserves.

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 4:16 PM. Reason : A]

5/3/2018 4:15:06 PM

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"so random tweets aren’t gonna cut it"

are you being serious or trolling?

5/3/2018 4:15:29 PM

^all those tweets look like they’re already maga people. I’m not remotely surprised that the twitter account “educating the libs” and somebody else calling themselves “the leftists nightmare” agrees with Kanye’s shitty thoughts on slavery.

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 4:19 PM. Reason : A]

5/3/2018 4:18:44 PM

It wasn't just a bunch of stupid remarks. He's had a history of that for a while. It's the fact that what he said is essentially a stick in the eye to the entire African American community. He has benefited from privilege than 99.9% of the members of community will NEVER have a chance to enjoy. If people wanna hold their noses and act like his words and actions in the REAL WORLD don't matter, that's cool i guess. "I don't usually smoke, but pass the 'dro."

5/3/2018 4:21:55 PM

^^ and this is exactly the kind of thing that allows them to radicalize young people who don't know any better, this is why having a celebrity spread these kinds of shit history is bad

5/3/2018 4:25:34 PM

I don’t think he’s got the influence that you think he does. His biggest fans are in their 30s. He’s incredibly famous, obviously. But young people don’t fuck with Kanye like that.

5/3/2018 4:29:34 PM

I teach young people for a living, and I can tell you that plenty of them adore YEEZUS

5/3/2018 4:33:38 PM

yeah i mean adidas barely sold any yeezy's to teens

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 4:37 PM. Reason : too late]

5/3/2018 4:36:56 PM

Musically he seems to be becoming less and less relevant. People love his shoes though.

5/3/2018 4:37:14 PM

he is a celebrity, he is part of the kardashian machine, it's more than music

the dude is a huge celebrity with a huge voice, it's bad when he normalizes this shit

5/3/2018 4:37:58 PM

People love Jordan shoes. Is he considered a strong influence on today’s youth? I would say that he’s not. No doubt, Kanye is more relevant to young people than Michael Jordan. But i think y’all are overestimating this.

5/3/2018 4:41:53 PM

If MJ came out and started saying the shit Kanye is, it'd be similar. But Jordan doesn't have nearly as big a stage as Kanye currently does.

I think you're underestimating it.

5/3/2018 4:46:14 PM

If Russell Westbrook said it, you people would be acting the exact same way

5/3/2018 4:54:45 PM

Jordan's brand is the face of his brand now. It wouldn't work if he was, because he isn't that relevant anymore to today's youth. Its all manifestation of itself

5/3/2018 4:56:04 PM

https://news.avclub.com/adidas-doesnt-agree-with-what-kanye-west-says-but-it-s-1825755674

5/3/2018 5:04:18 PM

celebrities have a powerful voice +
sometimes they say stupid shit and lies +
many children, young people, and stupid people gobble up what their favorite celebs say

= terrible situation with consequences for the whole country for years and decades to come

how is that hard to understand for some people???

look at the several tens of millions who have gobbled up the literally thousands of lies trump has told as POTUS

5/3/2018 5:53:37 PM

Man, I'm so old.. Didn't even know what yeezys looked like til this thread made me look them up. Holy shit what an ugly shoe.

5/3/2018 8:40:07 PM

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"If MJ came out and started saying the shit Kanye is, it'd be similar. But Jordan doesn't have nearly as big a stage as Kanye currently does."

Michael Jordan isn’t an artist

Kanye West isn’t big with the youth

[Edited on May 3, 2018 at 11:19 PM. Reason : he’s had more critical success than commercial success for nearly a decade now ]

5/3/2018 11:17:41 PM

Michael Cohen= thegoodlife3

5/3/2018 11:23:18 PM

you’re more like Kanye than almost everyone else on this board

5/3/2018 11:29:26 PM

There’s like 17 people on this board. Name names or STFU

5/4/2018 12:02:25 AM