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"We are not good at any aspect of the game and our team looks like they don't give a shit. The lack of effort is what kills me the most. I would rather see the scrubs play at least they would play with heart"

Destroying them on the boards was pretty impressive also showed a lot of heart oh wait thats right we are just saying negative shit to sound cool.

1/15/2011 6:52:12 PM

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"Name some of these ambitious mid major coaches who would realistically like to compete and recruit against UNC and Duke."

This is the dumbest argument and everyone seems to like to use it

If you only had said "Playing rivals Duke and UNC", sure...that sucks. Sucks for Virginia, FSU, Miami, too.

"Recruting against Duke and UNC" is bullshit.

Duke and UNC are national recruiters. When is the last time we went head to head with them? How many players on thier team are from North Carolina...to where the "local kid" card comes into play? How does NC State being down the street from UNC hurt us if we're recruiting a kid from New York, for instance?

That argument works for football. It's stupid for basketball (Where you only sign 3-4 players)....especially when the two schools you make the argument about go after top 10 high school players from all over the country

It hurst us that we WANT to beat UNC and Duke and have to play them every year, but no coach is going to get canned for not winning 50% or even 15% of thier games vs. those two



[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:58 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2011 6:56:05 PM

^CJ Leslie?
I am pretty sure we were competing with UNC at one point during his recruitment (as much as UNC tries to deny). John Wall?
There is plenty of NC talent that UNC and Duke are trying to get. If you were a top highschool recruit and had an offer from UNC or Duke and NCSU which would you realistically choose?

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 7:00 PM. Reason : asdfad]

1/15/2011 6:58:21 PM

Neither Leslie or Wall were recruited heavily by the local schools.

The last time we went seriously head to head vs them was for that goofy white kid (PF) at Duke.

My point is that very few players they recruit are local.

It's no harder to recruit Harrison Barnes away from Duke and UNC whether you're 4 miles away or 400 miles away from them.

1/15/2011 7:01:19 PM

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"There is plenty of NC talent that UNC and Duke are trying to get. If you were a top highschool recruit and had an offer from UNC or Duke and NCSU which would you realistically choose? "

That's simple, but you're still missing the point. How many of those players make up their programs? You act like the state of NC is the "recruiting base" of those two schools.

UNC might take a John Wall.... that's 1 player in the entire state.
Duke might take a CJ Leslie....that's 2 players in the entire state

Figure the rest of those schools 3-man classes are national recruits from Michigan.

There is still plenty of opportunity to succeed, and State's facilities and tradition make it much much better of a job than UVA, Wake, Clemson, etc.

It's not an easy job, but it has nothing to do with recruiting against those two. Heck, most of our players are from Georgia. It's not like football where 15 - 20 players per class are local North Carolina kids. Basketball recruiting is much much more national...especially for those 2

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 7:07 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2011 7:04:23 PM

We have absolutely nothing to sell (outside of playing in a giant hockey arena) over UNC or Duke. We are going to get the recruits that they don't want. Those recruits also know that they are going to have to come in and play against and be compared to the players at Duke and UNC. Those two schools make coaching here MUCH more difficult.

1/15/2011 7:10:53 PM

You're right, we'll never get any highly-rated recruits

Except for this year

And Hickson

And a couple times under Herb

But never again

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 7:14 PM. Reason : You guys know we don't have to directly compete with UNC/Duke to have a successful season]

1/15/2011 7:13:16 PM

This adder guy is a total pussy. The people I know in real life who think like him are total losers. It's like the guy who never pulls and chicks because he is too afraid to ask.

1/15/2011 7:14:42 PM

how does every basketball program in the country compete with unc and duke? sans kentucky no one recruits their level

may as well just fold up shop and quit. 3 basketball programs can compete for the ncaa title every year. maybe throw in a kansas or ucla for a nice 4 team tourney

1/15/2011 7:17:24 PM

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"You guys know we don't have to directly compete with UNC/Duke to have a successful season"

Sendek haters would say otherwise...

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" This adder guy is a total pussy. The people I know in real life who think like him are total losers. It's like the guy who never pulls and chicks because he is too afraid to ask."

Wow what a response. I don't ask out chicks because I am married

I am not saying that it is impossible to recruit at state I am simply saying that the reality of having to compete against UNC and Duke is going could be a major turnoff for potential coaches.

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 7:20 PM. Reason : asdfsd]

1/15/2011 7:19:05 PM

^^ Not every team in the country has 3-6 games per season vs. UNC and Duke

And not every team in the country has a fanbase that's been browbeat by UNC and Duke fans for three decades

1/15/2011 7:20:18 PM

maryland has a huge inferiority complex with the entire state of north carolina and they've still managed to be mediocre to good recently, and good to great about a decade ago

we're bad to really bad right now

1/15/2011 7:22:05 PM

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"I am not saying that it is impossible to recruit at state I am simply saying that the reality of having to compete against UNC and Duke is going could be a major turnoff for potential coaches. "

There is no way a Pac-10 coach would leave Wazzou to go to Virginia since they play Duke and UNC yearly.

1/15/2011 7:23:49 PM

Virginia and Maryland are not constantly being compared to UNC and Duke. We are constantly being compared by both local and national media.
^and you think state fans would be happy with that style of offense. I can hear the screaming now. It would be herb sendek 2.0

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 7:28 PM. Reason : ASa]

1/15/2011 7:27:46 PM

Comparing Virginia to NC State is hilarious

UVA fans don't give a fuck about basketball if it ain't Ralph Sampson

For better or worse, no school in the ACC has a fanbase that feels the pressure of Duke and UNC like ours does

1/15/2011 7:28:17 PM

texas tech football

or, even better, tcu. they got screwed out of a major conference by baylor and no one will play for them over texas or tamu. theyre also a small private school. should just fold up the program

1/15/2011 7:39:06 PM

So you're telling me there are two decent football programs in the state of Texas

Fascinating

1/15/2011 7:41:16 PM

yeah someone needs to call up every team in the SEC that isn't Alabama, Auburn, Florida, and LSU and tell them they'll never get a good recruit in football ever again and they might as well invest in women's basketball.

1/15/2011 8:52:55 PM

that was clearly Ernie's point.

1/15/2011 8:55:35 PM

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"Destroying them on the boards was pretty impressive also showed a lot of heart oh wait thats right we are just saying negative shit to sound cool"

How about getting outscored 20-6 in the paint, that was pretty impressive too

1/15/2011 8:58:47 PM

Sooo 9-7 conference record then?

1/15/2011 9:00:13 PM

I just want to illustrate how dumb these fucks are

Me:

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"For better or worse, no school in the ACC has a fanbase that feels the pressure of Duke and UNC like ours does"

Hoops Malone's alias:

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"yeah someone needs to call up every team in the SEC that isn't Alabama, Auburn, Florida, and LSU and tell them they'll never get a good recruit in football ever again and they might as well invest in women's basketball."

1/15/2011 10:36:54 PM

I have been disappointed in Lorenzo Brown in conference play so far. He started out the year well but he doesn't really do much of anything when on the court so far in the ACC games.

1/15/2011 11:13:34 PM

He's a freshman. (2nd year frosh, at least)

He looked 10x better than Javi, Mays, Tracy Smith, etc. etc. etc. looked when they were that young. He'll be OK with experience.

1/15/2011 11:15:53 PM

Exactly. I had hoped for him to have a better presence than he has but his potential is through the roof (like CJL if he stays a few).

1/15/2011 11:18:50 PM

When I watch him play, you can see his potential. He's careless with the ball, takes some bad shots, dribbles into bad situations, and generally just makes some head scratching plays, but whatever he does on the court is quite effortless.

He's a naturally gifted player and he's as smooth as they come. I think once he calms down, gets a little more basketball IQ, and gets on a weight training program he'll be an all-ACC type player. I still think he's going to be the best of all of the freshmen (And part of that is that Leslie will not develop as an NC State player...he'll be gone)

1/15/2011 11:25:20 PM

I like how Brown is the first guard we've had in a couple years that can create his own shot

1/15/2011 11:29:29 PM

brown has a ton of talent but he's always drifted in and out of games going to back to his high school days

1/16/2011 12:53:52 AM

sigh, such a up and down game....

1/16/2011 2:40:59 AM

mostly a down game

1/16/2011 4:19:01 AM

My post from page 1:

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" Considering all of the Sidney Lowe hate on this board, I cannot believe people actually think we'll win this game. FSU is not going to let Wood light them up again. We'll need Leslie and Smith to have big games and for the guards to not turn it over 20 times. Not all of that will happen though... FSU = 72 State = 55 We'll shoot about 29% from the field and probably shoot about 45% from the FT line. "

Someone responded:

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"come on man, we're not going to lose by 17 pts. It'll be within 10 - could go either way. "

I was surprised that the game had as much offense as it did, but that was mainly due to us being beyond horrible on defense in the 2nd half which allowed for more possessions in the game. We suck dick.

1/17/2011 7:51:17 AM

You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think it's hard to get a coach in here with UNC and Duke in the backyard. Yes the other schools in the conference have to play them too, but they don't get compared to them on a daily basis like we do. It's just not the same. Some coaches like being a big fish in a little pond, aka Rick Barnes.

1/17/2011 1:58:19 PM