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"Its Official! Round one, Mitt by TKO "

10/4/2012 12:29:38 AM

[Edited on October 4, 2012 at 12:45 AM. Reason : -]

10/4/2012 12:41:29 AM

yo willy kinda sorta if you squint sounded like he knew what he was talking about until he mentioned reddit & the onion

[Edited on October 4, 2012 at 12:47 AM. Reason : but I did giggle a little because of the onion]

10/4/2012 12:45:27 AM

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"I think you got a count it as a win for Romney just because he remained evasive on all of his policy issues, and Obama could nail him down on him any of them. "

That's the challenger's advantage. He can basically say anything he wants, because he doesn't have anything tangible to account for.

Obama can't really just make stuff up, because he's hard 4 years on the record.

Obama should be the one doing more cheerleading (reversed jobs slide, reversed stock market, stabilized housing market, kill bin laden) whilst Romney should be on the ropes about the things he said, but it was almost reversed in this debate.

Romney just kept saying "private enterprise" and obama kept trying to explain his policies. Completely backwards...

10/4/2012 12:54:37 AM

I really want to know what debate Supplanter was watching.

James Carville and Bill Maher are praising Mitt Romney's performance.

LOOK AT THOSE NAMES.

10/4/2012 1:04:37 AM

Supplanter is the worst kind of partisan dumbass

and i'm down with the brown

10/4/2012 1:05:23 AM

Maher is pretty good about giving credit where it's due, except when it comes to religion.

Can't speak to Carvile.

10/4/2012 1:18:08 AM

someone at the bar was like OBAMA KILLED IT

i was all wut

10/4/2012 1:33:35 AM

what bar showed the debate

10/4/2012 1:37:03 AM

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"Obama should be the one doing more cheerleading (killed bin laden)"

Yes, because Obama personally killed Bin Laden.

10/4/2012 1:43:31 AM

Boy it is awfully quiet in here when not only did Romney win the debate, but won it on a 70-30 margin that even msnbc couldn't spin it and looked mad admitting it!

10/4/2012 1:56:29 AM

^^ and Bin Laden personally flew into the towers.

10/4/2012 2:13:37 AM

Neptune's

10/4/2012 2:14:04 AM

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"Still, it seems likely that Mr. Romney will make at least some gains in head-to-head polls after the debate, and entirely plausible that they will be toward the high end of the historical range, in which polls moved by about three percentage points toward the candidate who was thought to have the stronger debate."

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/polls-show-a-strong-debate-for-romney/#more-35501

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" According to one prominent offshore gambling site, Pinnacle Sports, Mr. Obama’s odds of winning the election declined to about 73 percent after the debate from around 80 percent beforehand."

[Edited on October 4, 2012 at 2:26 AM. Reason : ]

10/4/2012 2:23:53 AM

Give the victory a week to soak in.

Just in time for Joe Biden to run a fumble in the wrong direction.

You better pray that Obama can handle Romney in foreign policy. Mittens shouldn't stand a chance there right?

[Edited on October 4, 2012 at 7:37 AM. Reason : -]

10/4/2012 7:37:22 AM

10/4/2012 9:06:30 AM

[Edited on October 4, 2012 at 9:07 AM. Reason : are you fucking kidding me, ShinAntonio ]

10/4/2012 9:07:01 AM

is the debate still going on?

10/4/2012 9:13:19 AM

i'm just wondering if quagmire and everyone else whining on page 3 regarding my statement that Obama was getting whipped are able to admit that he took a bad L the next day.

10/4/2012 9:18:37 AM

I never expected Romney to do well in the debates, much less what he did last night. Wow

Im sure Obama will bounce back though.

10/4/2012 9:24:33 AM

i'm just wondering if jstpack and everyone else whining on page 3 regarding my statement that not a single new thing was presented at last night's debate and given that the election is more than a month away, last night matters not one iota are able to admit that they are grasping at straws

10/4/2012 9:35:23 AM

What will you say if the next debates' performances are similar?

10/4/2012 9:37:01 AM

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"What will you say if the next debates' performances are similar?"

if obama performs as poorly in the next debate as he did in this one, i will admit that his chances at winning the election were/are hurt

but to say anyone "won" a debate in which NOTHING of substance was debated, in which the ONLY thing that happened is each called the other a liar, is just plain silly

yes, appearance matters...but only marginally, especially 4 weeks out from the election...the populace bores easily and forgets quickly

no one's mind was changed after last night's debate...the left and right are still sitting firmly in their respective camps (the right celebrating a "win" and the left shrugging off the "loss") and the undecided heard nothing compelling from either side...so how can anyone say that one candidate won or lost?

the only losers are the folks who expected a debate of substance and got a slap fight

[Edited on October 4, 2012 at 9:42 AM. Reason : oh, and jim lehrer lost big time ]

10/4/2012 9:41:55 AM

They were all terrible in their own way. Romney came off looking like an asshole. Obama came off looking like a pussy. And Lehrer came off looking like that teacher you had in high school with zero classroom management skills.

10/4/2012 9:43:41 AM

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"Obama can't really just make stuff up, because he's hard 4 years on the record. "

he should go see a doctor

10/4/2012 9:46:36 AM

If Obama came off aggressive all white people would scream the president is a angry black man.

10/4/2012 9:50:31 AM

i guess that's a "no"

10/4/2012 9:52:52 AM

i guess that's a "no"

10/4/2012 9:53:48 AM

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"yes, appearance matters...but only marginally,"

Wrong. I don't know exactly what you people think a debate is, but appearance is everything. Just look at JFK/Nixon (ive said this once before already, sorry).

Did any of you people debate in school? In class? In some kind of club? I don't mean with your friends at Panera... A real debate can be won easily with flubbed facts and figures.

Not ridiculous or obviously wrong however, because then your opponent is given ammunition if they are a good debater. Now, Romney gave Obama that opportunity many times last night and Obama didn't capitalize on it.

I thought it was generally accepted that Obama was a good debater, so surely he picked up on that? Or maybe he didn't because he was obviously disinterested. Regardless, he can't afford it again.

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"no one's mind was changed after last night's debate..."

Wrong again. I'm sure Obama looked fairly incompetent to a number of independents, his own supporters are disgusted with him, and even the most hardcore liberal is tending to attack the moderator rather than defend their President. Anyone who was voting for "anybody but Obama" is suddenly enthusiastic that maybe their default choice isn't such an idiot/nerd/robot anymore. Could Romney actually be beginning to get exciting? That's quite a revelation in and of itself.

Again, debates I think are less about substance than you realize, although obviously you can't go on stage talking about a bajillion dollars and your spaceship plans to the star Vega, etc. I couldn't help but think last night if Ron Paul had been a part of this that he would have been attached to the ceiling screaming like an ape.

But anyway, ill concede that maybe one debate doesn't do a whole lot except take a little momentum from one and give it to another. I don't think the VP debate is particularly important in general, but I also think if Obama round 2 and 3 goes similarly awry then he's in big trouble. Do we know who the next moderator is?

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"Romney came off looking like an asshole. Obama came off looking like a pussy. And Lehrer came off looking like that teacher you had in high school with zero classroom management skills."

No, Romney knows what a debate is, especially in 2012. Obama wasn't exactly a pussy, he just didn't want to be there, period. Maybe he wasn't feeling well? Who knows.

Lehrer is only being attacked in hindsight because certain folks think it was his responsibility specifically to rescue a floundering Obama. No, no, no...

Obama and Romney are obviously both mature and important enough not to descend into a brawl, everyone in the room knew that. By moderating less and being unobtrusive the debate was actually much more candid and revealing because they could engage each other. Obama abused the moderator a little bit too, he just didn't take advantage of the relaxed style nearly as effectively as Romney did. Again, not because he is incapable of it, but he just didn't feel like it this time for some reason.

Romney is not McCain; I think Obama made a gross error and also I think maybe his team is playing it safe because they think they have a comfortable lead. Maybe so, but do you really think taking a knee and running out the clock is the best plan?

[Edited on October 4, 2012 at 9:58 AM. Reason : -]

10/4/2012 9:53:59 AM

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/

10/4/2012 9:57:10 AM

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"Wrong."

i like how you conveniently forgot the part where i noted it's 4 weeks before the election...you're deluding yourself if you think that this debate will be remembered after the next one or the one after that...or the day of the election

it was not earth-shattering or ground-breaking in any way (except that romney appeared to have some balls, but whipped them out in asshole form...i was, admittedly, surprised by that)

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"Just look at JFK/Nixon (ive said this once before already, sorry)."

you keep saying it because it's all you have...and it's an extreme case...and you're comparing it to a non-extreme case

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"Wrong again."

prove it...please, after the election, demonstrate how this one debate, during which nothing of substance was actually debated, single-handedly tipped the scales one way or another

10/4/2012 9:59:23 AM

I didn't watch, but the overall perception online is that Romney came off as a competent leader and decisive person, especially when compared to Obama's performance both last night and over his 4 years of failure to bring partisanship to the House and Senate. An independent voter likely has more faith in Romney to make deals and get progress out of a divided house than Obama.

10/4/2012 10:02:12 AM

You obviously didn't read my entire post quagmire, so I'm not going to respond to your hissy-fit until you acknowledge the concessions I already gave you.

10/4/2012 10:04:48 AM

I tried to watch most of it, but was bored outta my mind. I must say, however, that Romney did much better than I expected. I don't know how you can really declare a "winner" when it's two guys using lies and half-truths to argue, and neither looked like a total idiot. But Romney was a winner in that he did a lot better than expected, and he did seem more engaged than Obama.... or was that just Obama's strategy?

10/4/2012 10:08:23 AM

^

10/4/2012 10:13:31 AM

10/4/2012 10:14:58 AM

Again, Obama is not so far ahead that he can just start taking knees and run out the clock.

They cannot possibly be thinking that this far out.

I think he was just off-balance for some reason yesterday. I hope for his sake it was something temporary.

I'm obviously a Romney supporter, but I want him to face Obama at his best. Not this ghost that we saw last night.

10/4/2012 10:18:00 AM

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"By moderating less and being unobtrusive the debate was actually much more candid and revealing because they could engage each other."

I don't know how anyone could consider that debate revealing for either side. They skimmed the surface of a bunch of talking points. If anyone was hoping to get some details out of the candidates, it certainly wasn't happening last night. Lehrer played a big role in that by asking vague opening questions and then getting steamrolled by the candidates whenever he tried to moderate.

10/4/2012 10:18:39 AM

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"I don't know how anyone could consider that debate revealing for either side."

One side being on fire and the other side looking like they'd rather commit suicide is fairly revealing to most people.

If you want to have the little pet rock off the Zoloft commercials as your President be my guest.

10/4/2012 10:24:47 AM

"We are a nation that believes we are all children of the same god."

Bitch please I don't have an imaginary friend.

10/4/2012 10:25:17 AM

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"One side being on fire and the other side looking like they'd rather commit suicide is fairly revealing to most people. "

Well hell, if all we need in a president is someone who can say nothing with a lot of flair, I'll be voting for The Rock this election.

10/4/2012 10:35:09 AM

You're so cool.

10/4/2012 10:37:04 AM

^^isn't that what we got 4 years ago?

10/4/2012 10:42:31 AM

Is this a good time to ask if Al Sharpton has AIDS? Guy is looking rough.

10/4/2012 10:43:48 AM

^^

10/4/2012 10:44:22 AM

^^i was wondering the same thing a few weeks ago. maybe an eating disorder? (that's mean)

10/4/2012 10:48:47 AM

He's old.

Might be seeing the beginning of renal failure or something.

10/4/2012 10:51:44 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkw8stAlrM&feature=share

Here we go! Official support of my theory that Obama wasn't feeling well last night. He didn't have time to acclimate to Denver's altitude.

10/4/2012 11:03:36 AM

He was tired from chasing Man-bear-pig through the caves of the Colarado Rockies all morning and afternoon.

10/4/2012 11:05:35 AM

^ lol

10/4/2012 11:06:14 AM