hard to believe in 2013 people still think that having THC in ones system is a big deal

7/8/2013 6:59:28 PM

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/

7/8/2013 6:59:32 PM

Author has clearly never had DXM, codeine, or marijuana. None of them make you violent. One of them makes you hallucinate, one of them makes you constipated, and one of them makes you hungry.

7/8/2013 7:18:51 PM

DXM will make you immune to pain while in a fight. Would have given Zimmerman more reason to panic if the kid wasn't responding to being punched back.

Marijuana could have made him paranoid, or could have made him want skittles. Don't see it as much of an issue other than another in a series of poor life choices.

7/8/2013 7:24:49 PM

Quote :

"THC doesn't show up in blood samples for much more than a few hours. If he had it in his blood, he was high at the time of the incident."

pretty sure that's not true. if you smoke regularly (not a one time thing), it can at least be detected for up to a week, and sometimes even longer. anecdotal evidence: back in high school, i remember at least two friends who were regularly tested by their parents who would quit days before they were tested, and still tested positive. and again, thc doesn't cause you to be an ax murderer or eat babies.

7/8/2013 7:26:53 PM

do you think their parents drew blood from them or made them piss on a home test kit?

7/8/2013 7:34:01 PM

I don't know, they brought them into a clinic to have them tested. Probably urine.

7/8/2013 7:39:45 PM

Piss tests can pop hot for THC for many days or even a few weeks.

7/8/2013 8:20:53 PM

I'm calling it now: guilty.

7/8/2013 8:31:45 PM

Quote :

"DXM will make you immune to pain while in a fight"

no

7/8/2013 8:54:35 PM

^^ You must be high. Not on murder 2. No fucking way.

I think it's a WAY uphill battle to convict on manslaughter, but not utterly implausible.

7/8/2013 9:53:16 PM

Quote :

"all-female jury that's never heard of Trayvon Martin"

7/8/2013 10:19:12 PM

Quote :

"DXM will make you immune to pain while in a fight"

I got punched in the jaw once in college while on DXM and laughed at the guy while he was doing it. He broke three fingers; I never felt pain until the next day.

Dissociatives are different than Opiates in the way they alter pain sensations. Opiates block pain; dissociatives shut the brain down. You feel them, you just don't register them as pain. Nitrous Oxide is used in surgery for this purpose. PCP and Ketamine were developed as anesthetics for surgery as well.

A person under the influence of DXM would be hard to beat into submission in a fight, but they'd be a clumsy mess as well.

7/8/2013 11:26:53 PM

I do so love these personal drug experience tales in TSB.

Also, lol reefer madness.

thegoodlife probably thought that was a meaningful contribution.

7/9/2013 12:28:18 AM

Quote :

"back in high school, i remember at least two friends who were regularly tested by their parents who would quit days before they were tested, and still tested positive. and again, thc doesn't cause you to be an ax murderer or eat babies."

they were being urine tested not blood tested and MJ can make you paranoid as fuck.

7/9/2013 9:43:19 AM

Lol so Zimmerman was probably high too then? What's his excuse...?

We at least definitely know Zimmerman was being overly paranoid and nutty.

7/9/2013 9:49:50 AM

Quote :

"MJ can make you paranoid as fuck."

paralyzing cannabis paranoia is slightly different than violent PCP paranoia

[Edited on July 9, 2013 at 10:23 AM. Reason : .]

7/9/2013 10:22:53 AM

The cops might catch me with weed paranoia vs. the Keebler Elves are coming after me with machetes and it's kill or be killed paranoia?

7/9/2013 12:53:02 PM

jesus is this still going on? I figured this would be over after the prosecution provided a better defense than the defense. no way this guy gets 2nd degree murder. they should have saved everyone's time and went for manslaughter

7/9/2013 1:54:46 PM

Prosecution looked terrible on the cross of the forensic pathologist. Grasping at straws and the witness never wavered on his testimony or backpedaled.

7/9/2013 2:47:11 PM

ok, I'm slow when it comes to criminal cases. If he is acquitted, can they then charge him with manslaughter or does it have to go to civil at that point?

7/9/2013 3:19:50 PM

Doesn't work like that. Acquitted is acquitted.

Involuntary manslaughter is a "lesser included offense" and the prosecutor can ask the jurors to consider it if they cannot convict him of murder 2.

To make that decision thought the prosecution will have had to have proved that he acted with culpable negligence.

Usually a self-defense... defense... doesn't work so well in manslaughter cases because it's fairly simple to defend oneself while still having committed a number of stupid acts like:

1) following someone
2) getting out of his car
3) calling people assholes, fucking punks, etc
4) not saying "hi im the neighborhood watch"

Again though, this is a show trial, and that's why they didn't go for this in the first place. It's probably likely, and probably why the judge didn't allow the defense's request for acquittal the other day. They could get him on this; if for no other reason than to satisfy the foaming masses, but he probably deserves it anyway.

Of course he probably deserves to get off because of the prosecutions idiocy and the extreme negative media portrayal, but I suppose it all depends who you talk to. IMO he should get manslaughter (but probably won't).

[Edited on July 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM. Reason : im not smart, im google]

7/9/2013 3:46:27 PM

I didn't realize that he hadn't testified. Wonder if he will or not.

7/10/2013 3:15:02 PM

I wouldn't. The case has been made, only thing he could do by testifying is hurt his case.

7/10/2013 3:24:42 PM

should see an acquittal by friday afternoon IMO.

7/10/2013 4:08:08 PM

He wont testify.

He could only Jodi Arias himself at this point.

Best to Casey Anthony.

7/10/2013 4:39:05 PM

He won't testify. There is absolutely nothing that can be gained from Zimmerman taking the stand and examined. There is everything to lose from Zimmerman taking the stand and being cross-examined.

As we've already seen, Zimmerman isn't the brightest bulb on the christmas tree to begin with... there is no way in hell his defense would let him subject himself to that.

7/10/2013 5:00:55 PM

^ I dunno man...His defense did try to open the trial with a knock knock joke. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

7/10/2013 5:36:55 PM

The Prosecution is also going for Aggravated Assault and Assault with a Firearm (or some combination there of). I think they MIGHT (maybe) have a case for that, if the prosecution has proven to the Jury that Zimmerman "started it".

I think he's getting a Not Guilty for Murder 2.

7/10/2013 6:31:05 PM

well there ya have it, jury will consider manslaughter as well per the judge's ruling.

prediction: not guilty on murder 2, guilty on manslaughter.

[Edited on July 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM. Reason : .]

7/11/2013 10:29:01 AM

Drama!

7/11/2013 10:37:04 AM

fucking kangaroo court

7/11/2013 11:12:25 AM

what happened?

7/11/2013 11:22:42 AM

^the prosecution is trying to get a murder 3 conviction based on child abuse

[Edited on July 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM. Reason : and the judge will allow a manslaughter conviction]

7/11/2013 12:32:03 PM

what child abuse?

7/11/2013 12:45:53 PM

he shot a child

7/11/2013 12:51:30 PM

OMG

7/11/2013 12:54:12 PM

Judge denied the Murder 3 charge

7/11/2013 1:13:57 PM

is murder 3> manslaugher? ie, murder 1 > murder 2 > murder 3 > manslaughter?

7/11/2013 1:27:51 PM

Anything with "murder" in it trumps manslaughter

7/11/2013 2:18:00 PM

Of course the jury could have already made up its mind on Zimmerman (walks) and just sees this as desperation.

7/11/2013 2:51:39 PM

I think Zimmerman is going to jail now that the jury was given the option for manslaughter. I think it's a natural psychological inclination for people to look for the "middle ground" when interjected into disputes. The manslaughter conviction will be that middle ground evidence be damned. I think Zimmerman's lawyers should be fighting tooth and nail to take the manslaughter option off the table. I think the lesser included offense option has sent a lot of people to jail who should have walked.

7/11/2013 3:00:58 PM

Don't be silly. You can't have a trial and not convict someone. That would just be a waste of time for everyone involved.

[Edited on July 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2013 3:01:51 PM

murder 3 is off the table. Judge denied it. No way he gets murder 2.

[Edited on July 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM. Reason : ^edit]

7/11/2013 3:04:09 PM

Here's an idea:

Charge him with the right crime in the first place.

7/11/2013 3:23:52 PM

this prosecutor is really reaching in his closing.

7/11/2013 3:44:59 PM

These are pretty entertaining https://twitter.com/search?q=%23zimmermantrial&src=rela

7/11/2013 4:18:43 PM

Quote :

"I think Zimmerman is going to jail now that the jury was given the option for manslaughter. I think it's a natural psychological inclination for people to look for the "middle ground" when interjected into disputes. The manslaughter conviction will be that middle ground evidence be damned. I think Zimmerman's lawyers should be fighting tooth and nail to take the manslaughter option off the table. I think the lesser included offense option has sent a lot of people to jail who should have walked. "

Manslaughter has always been an option, is my understanding.

Some lawyer person was explaining it in another thread, but it's particular to how Florida law works.

7/11/2013 4:20:26 PM

Can you not defend manslaughter by putting Zimmerman up there saying "Yea, at that instant I meant to shoot him!.... it was self defense... blah, blah, blah"???

I know they can't do that now, but seems like it would have shut that down.

My prediction is still guilty on a lesser charge. Maybe manslaughter, maybe Aggravated Assault with a firearm.

[Edited on July 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2013 4:26:47 PM

Defend? The trial is over. Now they get to pick the sentence.

7/11/2013 4:38:29 PM