BJ quotted James McPherson, one of the most knowledgeable, easily and wide-read Civil War historians. The causes of the Civil War became increasingly complex, but he's right. What got everything kicked off was the argument of slavery in territories. Slave-states were scared that if the new territories were not pro-slavery, then it would most certainly end up being a dying institution. Anti-slavery camps wanted the territories free to ensure the pro-slave states' fears came to light.

Bleeding Kansas people. Bleeding Kansas.

6/22/2015 7:13:49 AM

New reports that Roof tried to turn his gun on himself, but ran out of ammo

6/22/2015 7:42:38 AM

Eh, while suicide is a very cowardly thing to do, it takes a certain amount of balls to pull the trigger. Balls I don't think this guy has. Besides, people like him want to hang around to see the aftermath of their "revolution."

6/22/2015 8:21:47 AM

I dont know how these things work. But if he did plan to commit suicide, that would explain why he left a manifesto. If you were planning on living, you wouldnt need a document explaining your actions.

6/22/2015 8:26:18 AM

Dude wanted to start a modern day civil war. He's gonna stick around to take more people out.

6/22/2015 8:36:42 AM

it's not surprising to me at all that the biggest gun nut on this site has a substantial misunderstanding of history

6/22/2015 8:50:47 AM

^^^ He also left a person alive so she could tell his story. So now we can add coward to his list. Dude could have killed himself with the car or resisted arrest. But no he said yes sir and they bought him burger king.

Think about that, this dude murdered 9 people and he gets peacefully arrested and burger king. Shelby is 50 minutes from Charlotte where a black man crashed his car and ended up shot to death because a white woman was scared and cops showed up and shot him on site.

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 8:53 AM. Reason : ,]

6/22/2015 8:51:48 AM

Again, i can only speculate on his motives. One of the witnesses says that he murdered Clemente, then the other church goers, then turned the gun on himself only to find he had no bullets left.

6/22/2015 8:53:40 AM

I don't buy the out of bullets line. He could have killed himself in so many ways in the 8+ hours he was on the run.

6/22/2015 8:55:02 AM

True, there are many ways to kill oneself. Few are as easy, quick, and direct as a bullet to the noggin tho

6/22/2015 8:57:29 AM

Who is the biggest gun nut?

6/22/2015 8:59:29 AM

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"Eh, while suicide is a very cowardly thing to do,"

Wut

6/22/2015 9:38:18 AM

You don't buy that suicide is cowardly? Anybody who wants to kill themselves rather than face the problems in their lives are straight up yella.

6/22/2015 9:39:33 AM

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"I don't buy the out of bullets line. He could have killed himself in so many ways in the 8+ hours he was on the run."

Thats kinda apples and oranges to me. When he was in the church killing people it would probably be easier to off himself then. When he was in the car afterwards hours later even, the desire to do so might have waned some.

6/22/2015 10:05:37 AM

In before the glorification of Robert E. Lee.

The narrative usually compares the opinions/out of context quotes with Lincoln.

6/22/2015 10:46:05 AM

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""Racism, we are not cured of it," Obama said. "And it's not just a matter of it not being polite to say nigger in public. That's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It's not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies don't, overnight, completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior.""

6/22/2015 11:31:42 AM

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"I dont know how these things work. But if he did plan to commit suicide, that would explain why he left a manifesto. If you were planning on living, you wouldnt need a document explaining your actions"

not sure if logic was ever brought into any of this,but that does sound logical. But I am still thinking he wanted to live in all of "his glory". The manifesto was another way to make him more godlike and purposeful so that people like him have something to read while he is locked away and unable to communicate to other dipshits


and he knew that his manifesto would get published everywhere, I think he wanted to enjoy some of his notoriety to be honest

6/22/2015 11:40:01 AM

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"Btw...love the way Charleston is responding to all of this. Really proud of my city right now."

Compared to Baltimore and Ferguson I presume?

6/22/2015 3:14:58 PM

Just in general. Obviously those are different situations...but overall, I've liked all of the responses I've seen (obviously a few outliers).

6/22/2015 3:22:50 PM

I talked to my parents this weekend and both of them talked about how there weren't any riots or anything after this, unlike those savages in Baltimore.... I tried to explain to them that while I don't condone the rioting and looting, it's a very different situation, but they didn't want to hear that. i think Fox News is pushing that narrative, although i'm not completely clear on what the agenda of that is.

6/22/2015 4:14:04 PM

There weren't any riots in Charleston because it's a futuristic utopia in comparison to Baltimore.

6/22/2015 4:40:12 PM

i think in addition to that, in the other situations, they're rioting against the police and the government. in this situation, who would they be rioting against? 21 year old dumbass rednecks?

6/22/2015 4:44:51 PM

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"i think Fox News is pushing that narrative"

Yeah I'm seeing that on FB some, and now here I guess. It's fucking stupid.

6/22/2015 4:46:30 PM

Riots in Ferguson and Baltimore were because the person doing the wrong was a agent of the state. That's like saying people near Newtown should have rioted.....

Apples to watermelons

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ,]

6/22/2015 4:48:24 PM

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"i think in addition to that, in the other situations, they're rioting against the police and the government. in this situation, who would they be rioting against? 21 year old dumbass rednecks?"

I wouldn't say "rioting against", that implies that lawlessness was part of the protest against police brutality. It was just a bunch of poor thugs acting like animals because they hate their lives, completely separate from the "protesting against" that received zero media coverage in comparison.

In this case Charleston is "protesting against racism" since I guess you can't protest against 21 year old dumbass rednecks.

6/22/2015 5:01:38 PM

Are we now really comparing the responses to police killing unarmed people and getting away with it, to a 21 year old racist killing 9 people because they were black???? seriously???

6/22/2015 5:07:34 PM

Black people in the South are much nicer.

6/22/2015 5:34:41 PM

I don't think southerners are really any nicer than midwesterners. The only real difference I see between both population sets is more overt/outward displays of racism.

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2015 7:37:52 PM

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"Apples to watermelons "

A+++ trolling

6/22/2015 11:03:16 PM

^^midwestern accent is grating. Southern accent just makes you sound stupid.

6/22/2015 11:06:51 PM

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"Black people in the South are much nicer."

NC don't get enough credit for our legendary gangstas like Frank Lucas and Frank Matthews. But on topic, if southerns want to show their confederate flag thats fine, I will too... after I drink a Starbuck's latte and take a massive shit on it.

6/23/2015 6:48:53 AM

Which one of these men killed 9 people?

6/23/2015 10:14:44 PM

oh lawd

6/23/2015 10:16:47 PM

look at all those fat as shit sister fucking good ole boys.

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 10:45 PM. Reason : ]

6/23/2015 10:44:43 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/06/gun_control_debate_we_re_not_having_one_after_charleston_and_we_haven_t.html

6/24/2015 7:41:53 PM

So do these cold-blooded sadistic bullies (murderers) get extra kicks out of handcuffing their dead victims?

What happened to the killer in the video above? Was he charged? He deserves the same treatment he meted out in that clip. Damn, what a pussy. After murdering him like 8 times, he stands there for a long time with gun drawn and keeps on repeating get back now to the girl. Thug-wannabe chicken.

Why are most of the cops in the first video fucking fat?

6/25/2015 8:03:39 AM

I'm not sure why the guy jumps out of the passenger side like that and reaches back in the truck but still . No matter what the circumstances were around the shooting it is heartbreaking to watch the woman in that video.

The way the cop was just sitting there waiting for him to come home is sketch but I don't know the story.

Edit: Found more info

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"A forensic analysis conducted as part of the San Joaquin County District Attorney’s investigation into the shooting concluded that Duenez had a fixed-blade knife in his right hand as he attempted to climb out of the vehicle. While attempting to flee it appears that his left foot became entangled in the seatbelt and despite Moody’s pleas to put his hands in the air – warning him that he would shoot – Duenez made a motion back towards the vehicle."

It also said that both of his parents were in that truck which explains why he got out on that side.

[Edited on June 25, 2015 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

6/25/2015 9:17:45 AM

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"The crux of O’Reilly’s argument seems to be, as he said to Powers in one of those faux-hostile exchanges that characterizes many of O’Reilly’s encounters, that “we don’t have a system where racism is acceptable at all.” And because, as he said Wednesday night, “The American Congress has passed law after law after law to ensure that all Americans have equal opportunity to pursue happiness,”"

Well damn, how come the gays can't get married?

6/25/2015 9:51:06 AM

Right wing extremists have carried out more terrorist attacks, and killed nearly twice as many people since 9/11 than Muslim extremists.


So says al jazera
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/24/right-wing-attackers-pose-bigger-danger-than-jihadists-in-us.html

[Edited on June 25, 2015 at 10:42 AM. Reason : K]

6/25/2015 10:39:41 AM

They have equal opportunity to marry someone of the opposite sex. duh

6/25/2015 10:41:22 AM

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"Well damn, how come the gays can't get married?"

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"They have equal opportunity to marry someone of the opposite sex. duh"

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"Supreme Court rules gay couples nationwide have a right to marry"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gay-marriage-and-other-major-rulings-at-the-supreme-court/2015/06/25/ef75a120-1b6d-11e5-bd7f-4611a60dd8e5_story.html


The supreme court has listened and your request has been granted. Thank you for supporting marriage equality.

6/26/2015 12:39:44 PM

The FBI is now saying the background check system failed due in part to lack of communication between police departments and counties;, and that in fact, Roof should not have been able to purchase a gun.



Thanks Obama

7/10/2015 1:39:42 PM

Yeah was about to post that: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/us/background-check-flaw-let-dylann-roof-buy-gun-fbi-says.html

7/10/2015 1:41:34 PM

That shouldnt be a surprise to anyone who isnt an NRA member or 2nd amendment fanatic. It's just stupid to argue that we dont need more gun control because our current method is fine.

7/10/2015 2:00:52 PM

Ban guns and we won't need systems to communicate. Theres no reason a person living in a democracy needs a semi-auto handgun.

7/10/2015 2:02:35 PM

interesting plot twist...

will they gay marry anyone in this Charleston church?

7/10/2015 2:07:36 PM

No

7/10/2015 2:11:02 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/us/dylann-roof-charleston-shooting-suspect-is-expected-to-face-federal-hate-crime-charges.html

7/22/2015 1:50:52 PM

Black teen and white teen bring gun to church, no one dies. Racial unity! Unless you're Haitian, maybe.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/29744957/teens-detained-after-bringing-a-gun-into-a-north-charlotte-church

8/9/2015 11:07:16 PM

I don't understand the whole fucking hate crime thing. If I murder someone it is obvious that I hate their guts. If I go on a rampage to intimidate a group of people for political reasons you are a terrorist. Why are murders super extra bad with special modifiers just because it's against someone of a different race versus any other reason people plot to murder others.

8/9/2015 11:44:57 PM