^^ LOL

9/13/2016 10:27:39 AM

Im not tryin to "Talk past ECU". They were definitely the better team that day. I think our football programs are at a pretty similar level right now. Which is embarassing, but its true. I don't understand why some of you people think I am saying we are a super superior program to them. We aren't. But we are in a superior conference to them, playing MUCH bigger, IN CONFERENCE games.

Do you think our fans, our players, are looking to a mid-major matchup against ECU, in the same way we look at conference games against FSU, Clemson, UL, UNC, and Notre Dam? Don't kid yourself.

I don't care if ODU or ECU or Bob and Mary beat us 20 times in a row, nobody is gonna get super crazy excited about playing those teams because they are division ii matchups.

If you can't understand that you are either trolling or a complete Imbecile.

THAT is why playing ECU is bleh for our programs. Because they are a mid major, not because I think our football team is too good for them or something Sorry, nobody is getting hyped for a mid major matchup, PERIOD. I mean, how hard is that to understand??

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 11:09 AM. Reason : Am I saying anything thats not true here? This all seems like pretty basic info.]

9/13/2016 11:06:29 AM

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"#1- I know we aren't Notre Dam, which I explicitly say in my Soliloquy when I said that this game won't matter for us until we are in the BCS playoff race. Which we are LIGHT YEARS away from now. You dummy. "

So what is this game for us since it doesn't matter? a run-through? scrimmage? The football version of 21? Should we have a live DJ spinning hits between snaps? HELLO, YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME /HermEdwards It doesn’t matter if you’re playing ECU, Gardner-Webb or Alabama, you’re trying to win. That's the whole fucking notion of competitive sports. Also 'until we are in the BCS playoff race' deserves another hearty LOL.

If ECU players and coaches are giving 110 percent in this game (since they’ve got it triple-circled on the schedule and all) what are our guys giving? 70 percent? 80 percent? What would you put that percentage at since according to you, it doesn't matter to us? Doeren's job is on the line, but lol who cares since it’s ECU, right?

Even if all that stuff you said was true, it has nothing to do with the fact that our secondary blows, defensive line gets little pressure on the QB and our coach calls fake field goals. We're not that good. That’s why we lost, not because of some fictionalized ‘super-caring’ by ECU and indifference by State. I’m afraid you are the dumbass in this thread.

NCSU players and staff don't give a fuck about ECU fans being mean to you on facebook, which is probably the source of your butthurt-ery. The mental gymnastics you’re doing in your head would get you perfect 10s across the board. This is borderline ‘A Beautiful Mind’ shit. GG

9/13/2016 11:09:39 AM

^ What mental gymnastics? Jesus you people are dense. YES we do suck, good lawd. There is no disputing that, nor have i attempted to say that we don't suck. We do suck. I think Dave Doeren is a complete moron. I'd take ECU's coach over him probably, why the fuck not. ECU has a better football team than us this year. I dispute none of this.

BUT, what also is not in dispute, is that they are a mid-major football program and we play much more interesting and exciting games against fellow power 5 opponents the rest of the year. Thus, this game means less to us than it does to ECU fans and coaches.

I mean, you've got to be a really slow adult if you think that concept requires "mental gymnastics" to wrap your head around.





[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 11:14:43 AM

even mental gymnastics make me tired

9/13/2016 11:17:46 AM

HOOPS going fucking HAM ITT

9/13/2016 11:25:22 AM

^What did I say in the above post that you disagree with Mr. Synapse? I mean, this seems pretty cut and dry to me.

9/13/2016 11:29:56 AM

HOOPS going Olive Garden ITT

9/13/2016 11:31:17 AM

^I prefer Macroni Grill.

Is nobody gonna back me up here?

Fine, yall win. ECU, a mid major school, is now our rival. I hope you are happy.

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 11:34:09 AM

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"Is nobody gonna back me up here?"

Nope.

9/13/2016 11:43:39 AM

Lol way to move the goalposts. Looks like Bambard trying a 50-yarder.

You still didn’t address either of my points about the level of effort given by State if your earlier theory about us not caring as much is true. Again, Doeren’s job is on the line, we need to make a bowl thus needing every win we can get. Why doesn’t this game against a decent team mean anything? You flat-out said this game doesn’t matter to us (well, of course, until we’re in playoff race). It just illustrates how dumb you sound.

I was at the game and maybe ECU fans care more, but even if their fans care more, what tangible difference does that make on the field? I didn’t see any fans running routes or throwing blocks. Is App State going to crush Miami this weekend since their fans care so much more about the Hurricanes coming to Boone?

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"Fine, yall win. ECU, a mid major school, is now our rival. I hope you are happy."

They've been our rival. Accept it.

9/13/2016 11:49:18 AM

^^ Yet you were unable to determine what you think is incorrect about my above statement. So you personally lose that battle. But I still lose the overarching battle of whether the ECU game is a big game for our fans and coaches.

Good night and good luck to you all in your future endeavors.

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 11:50 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 11:50:18 AM

Goddam what a shitty fanbase

9/13/2016 11:51:22 AM

^^^ Ugh god I hope you are just some kind of bandwagon "fan" of state and not an alum. Because you are incredibly dense. I refuse to address your nonsense any longer.

Good day sir.

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 11:52:09 AM

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"Yet you were unable to determine what you think is incorrect about my above statement"

Already been done. I'm just point and laughing like everyone else at this point.



[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 11:54 AM. Reason : I SAID GOOD DAY SIR]

9/13/2016 11:53:18 AM

Hoops is right. Which is why we shouldn't play them

9/13/2016 11:59:25 AM

^^ Fuckkkk sick burn with that simpsons pic man.

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 12:03 PM. Reason : You got me good.]

9/13/2016 12:02:37 PM

A portrait of the autist as a young man

9/13/2016 12:06:59 PM

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"clear the bacon grease out of your brain if you are going to spend your adult life trolling a message board"

sound advice ITT

9/13/2016 12:42:32 PM

Has he no self respect

9/13/2016 12:43:54 PM

argue about levels this and mid-major that all you want, but the ECU rivalry is one sided, they just aren't on the radar of shits to give

9/13/2016 12:48:53 PM

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"Is nobody gonna back me up here?"

I agree with you. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about your point, or what makes it incorrect.

*shrug*

9/13/2016 12:52:58 PM

^

9/13/2016 1:31:04 PM

I can't even keep track of who is arguing what anymore

9/13/2016 1:32:18 PM

If we were a more established team that had more margin for error I wouldn't mind playing ECU. But until our program is in that spot I don't want to play them.

This years schedule is so brutal. We have basically 5 guaranteed losses already. Clemson, FSU, ND, Louisville and ECU.

Then we have to beat UNC @ UNC just to get to 6 wins.

All assuming we don't choke on a game we have a chance in..

For the record watching the game I think we are a better team than ECU. Its like the team or coaches knew it and played too loose.

9/13/2016 1:40:55 PM

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"5 guaranteed losses already"

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"ECU"

OUUUUCH!

9/13/2016 2:03:01 PM

Again...

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" this game won't matter for us until we are in the BCS playoff race."

is an actual thing that was said

9/13/2016 2:17:24 PM

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"I can't even keep track of who is arguing what anymore"

lol

9/13/2016 3:19:07 PM

It can be summed up as follows: synapse and some other random dude say that ecu is a big rivalry game for Nc state. (Lol)

Everybody else disagrees with them.

9/13/2016 6:03:06 PM

I consider UNC, Clemson, Wake, FSU and ECU to be football rivals. Probably in that order, though you could swap FSU and Weak Florist.

BBall is just UNC, Duke, Wake.

9/13/2016 6:25:27 PM

^ Seeing as this is part of the argument here, do Florida State fans consider us a rival?

I consider ECU a bigger rivalry than Duke or Wake just because it's hard to have a rivalry with schools that don't have any fans. It's less of a rivalry than Carolina.

The last two pages by the way can be summed up as follows: HOOPS SHALOM has delusions of grandeur that he thinks N.C. State Football has the right to look down on anyone when we haven't accomplished anything of note for more than 10 years. He's like a Kentucky Football fan that thinks he's allowed to stick his chest out and talk trash because UK are members of the SEC.

Enjoy that win over Old Dominion on Saturday. I'll be doing something far more valuable with my time.

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 6:27:42 PM

Sigh. That's not what Hoops was saying. But do what you must.

9/13/2016 7:11:47 PM

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"So lack of caring by our team, Super duper obsessive caring by a solid mid-major program playing at home, is a recipe for an embarrassing loss. "

I'll never forget the 83 championship when underdog Jimmy V and the guys super duper obsessively cared and powerhouse Houston only passively cared.

Hoops, I get your points. I understand what you're saying. I get it, ECU hates us more. It's not that it's hard to comprehend. It's that it's derivative sports-talk radio level, hot take bullshit. My aunt gives better sports analysis and she doesn't bold random phrases within her argument.

9/13/2016 9:28:16 PM

^^^Dude... just, ugh. Reading comprehension man.

^You also are wayy dumbing down my argument either because you don't get it, or are just trying to make yourself seem less like a douche.

Either way, let's just agree to disagree, eh?

9/13/2016 9:36:50 PM

Why don't we play UNCC? They are same tier as ECU and we have better chance to beat them. Extend our recruiting power to the Southwest part of the state. We've played the Pirates enough to where the eastern side of the state is familiar with our program.

9/13/2016 10:16:14 PM

^ I'd be happy with a home and home vs UNCC for a change.

9/13/2016 11:00:34 PM

sure fine ecu is our rival fine.

now lets discontinue that rivalry and stop playing them.

9/13/2016 11:26:14 PM

Haha, NC State and ECU are rivals in baseball, really that's only revenue sport I'd consider them genuine rivals.

Basketball: We're clearly the better bball program and it's not remotely close. On top of that, we don't play each other every year, or even every other year. We're not in the same conference, and generally ECU doesn't have enough fans to really worry about it. I treat them like any lower team in basketball when we play them in non-conference, if we win I'm content but don't think much of it, if we lose it's disappointing because I assume our team sucks.

Football: In football they've had some solid success but we don't play each other every year(pretty crucial to a rivalry), we're not in the same conference(also really helps a rivalry), and they're not even a P5 school(would help if they were on the same "level" as us). So beating them just pads the W column and losing to them just gives the ECU fans something to boast about while NC State fans are just mad it lessens our chances for a bowl game.

To reiterate. Losing to ECU disappoints me because I generally assume our team sucks after we lose to them. I've never thought, "man, ECU is just solid, no shame in losing to them." The ONE season they were undefeated and ranked coming to play in Raleigh we beat them, but THAT was the one time I might have said it. Where as our other rivals, I've heard say those exact same things when our teams "upset" them in football or basketball.

Baseball is different. We play each other every year, both teams are competitive, and the fans really go back and forth in it. I see beating ECU in baseball as a solid accomplishment each season and when we lose to them I'm disappointed but not because they're just a lesser team/program, but because it would help our post-season resume.

There's no real point of debating it though. ECU fans will feel one way, NC State fans will feel another way, and I doubt either is swayed until we start playing each other every season in football and basketball(will never happen).

9/14/2016 5:48:27 AM

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" we're not in the same conference(also really helps a rivalry), and they're not even a P5 school(would help if they were on the same "level" as us)"

Well said, exactly. Now for PBR and synapse to come and counter your arguments with simpsons pics lol

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 7:57 AM. Reason : /]

9/14/2016 7:57:28 AM

Yea I grew up a state fan and I honestly never gave ecu a second thought as being a rival. Didn't realize that was a thing until I got to college and ecu fans were noticeably crazy when we played them

9/14/2016 8:17:10 AM

Ya know how we always talk shit about UNC fans saying that we aren't really a rivalry for them Duke is their actual rival... yeah this seems like pretty much the same thing. Both teams have passionate fan bases that overlap geographically so let's try to be less like those douchebags and admit its a rivalry game when we play. We can argue about whether or not we should play them but arguing about whether its a rivalry seems pretty dumb.

9/14/2016 10:46:43 AM

It is OK to display cognitive dissonance(Its just sports ffs). They are not in the same conference as us. hell they are not even in a Power 5 conference. Apples and Oranjes my friend

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 11:04 AM. Reason : ]

9/14/2016 10:54:02 AM

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"Now for PBR and synapse to come and counter your arguments"

Nah I don't have a horse in this race, I just think it's hilarious how many words you've dumped into this thread, complete with numerous bolded sections, capslocked sections and closing arguments.

9/14/2016 11:04:33 AM

I figure if ECU doesn't appear on our schedule for several decades I would never catch myself thinking, why the hell isn't ECU ever on our schedule? I want them on our schedule!

It seems like a rival would at least have to pass that test. Maybe other people would wonder why they never appear on our schedule, those people can move on to another entry on their Are They Rivals? test.

That said, at this point I wouldn't mind having ECU on our schedule every once in a while. It would give us a chance to get back at them. We lost and we've lost to them a few times now. All this talk of never playing them again and they aren't our rivals comes across as people being scared to play them, specifically because we lost. Win, then talk about moving on to bigger and better OOC teams.

This program isn't going anywhere. At this rate I doubt it ever will. What's the harm in playing an in-state team every 3 or 4 years, regardless of who it is? We miss out on recruiting? Someone like ECU might beats us and we have to get four wins out of our OOC schedule to maybe get bowl eligible?

I think we have bigger problems than scheduling ECU.

9/14/2016 11:11:16 AM

what i don't understand about the "it's not a rivalry" thing is that y'all act like it's some sacred word that can only be uttered toward worthy opponents. they hate our guts, they wanna beat us and prove something each time we play...sure their fans are annoying, and yes they are in an inferior conference and we have other games that are more "important". but we can still call them a rival. we can have a few rivals. we don't have to limit ourselves to just one or two. it's ok to say that UNC is our #1, most hated rival, and that other ACC teams can be our rivals and/or games against them are more important for our overall success than games vs ECU...and at the same time we can acknowledge that a smaller program in an inferior conference that we play once in a while is also our rival on some level. we don't have to act like they're top FSU coming to town. but we can acknowledge that the game hold some significance as well.

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"I don't care if ODU or ECU or Bob and Mary beat us 20 times in a row, nobody is gonna get super crazy excited about playing those teams because they are division ii matchups. "

you can call 'em division ii all you want, but it doesn't make it accurate. if you've ever been to a state/ecu game then you can sense that it's a rivalry in the stadium. fans are certainly more excited for that game than the BC games. what you are saying about other bigger opponents is true. but it doesn't preclude the ecu game from being a game that is of particular regional interest to the fans more than other games on the schedule.

9/14/2016 11:11:34 AM

Obviously you're entitled to feel however you want. It's just hilarious to me the same folks show up here and on packpride after ECU beats us spouting the same passive-aggressive backhanded sore loser rationalizations to make ourselves feel better about losing to them and it doesn't have dick-all to do with the game. It's their super bowl, they don't play in a Power 5 conference, they're not our real rival, we don't get up for them, etc. It's all so predictable. You said all this stuff HOOPS plain as day earlier in the thread so please stop playing the reading comprehension card.

Here's why I think we should play ECU every couple years

- We're both Division I schools 90 minutes apart within the same state so natural geographic similarities
- Our alumni interact frequently
- It's good for college football in the state.
- Our fans actually care about football. State, ECU and App have the best gameday experiences in NC.

I just think having more rivals is a good thing. That’s what makes college football great and distinct from the NFL. There's irony in the fact that we puff our chest out at Duke and UNC and they just laugh at us. We're their little brother. Do you not see this is exactly what we're doing to ECU, who actually wants to be our rival? They consider us relevant enough for them to hate. We should embrace that. If you feel the same way about playing ECU as you do Old Dominion or Bill and Mary, then I guess that's your thing but I get a lot more interested about playing an in-state, DI school than some of the garbage schools we've played in recent years like Liberty, ODU and South Alabama. And yes, I know you need to schedule some cupcakes.

And it wouldn't surprise me if in the next 5-10 years a bigger conference considered ECU or App or maybe even Charlotte (once they get more established) more seriously. The NC media markets are continuing to grow and I think that's an attractive carrot to dangle. I seriously doubt any of the big 4 are leaving. 15 years ago, TCU was another CUSA nobody. You could say they're in Texas and have big donor $$$, but their stadium is still smaller than most ACC stadiums.

If we get to perennial Top 25, BCS Bowl status, then okay, I could get behind telling ECU to pound salt. As it stands, that's a long way from ever happening.

9/14/2016 11:15:37 AM

As I've said before, I'd rather play App. As someone not from eastern NC, i care very little about playing ECU.

9/14/2016 11:15:56 AM

https://ncstate.rivals.com/news/the-history-behind-the-nc-state-east-carolina-rivalry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina%E2%80%93NC_State_rivalry

9/14/2016 11:49:49 AM

yeah, really not a thing and those links explain why

are the people who think this is a real thing all from greenville or something? i grew up in raleigh in a wolfpack family and never heard of this.

unc - yes
clemson - the textile bowl has tradition but its more friendly
maryland - yeah, fuck maryland
wake forest - sure
south carolina - eh
ecu - nah

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 12:07 PM. Reason : .]

9/14/2016 12:03:46 PM

Like I would MUCH rather lose to ECU than Wake, because the Wake game has conference standings implications. Does this mean I consider Wake a rival? no.

I obviously want to win every game, but if I had to choose between losing to ECU or any ACC opponent, I would obviously choose ECU Because they are just another Southern conference team. An In state team, but other than that I don't see why anybody would consider them a rival since they are from a lower conference?

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 12:08 PM. Reason : Must be a greenville thing?]

9/14/2016 12:08:03 PM