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"The charismatic young leader was Fidel Castro; the nation, Cuba."

Usually these things are about Hitler, so pencil me in as pleasantly surprised.

11/4/2008 11:54:52 AM

I just voted to cancel out hooksaw's vote for president although we probably voted for the same governor.

11/4/2008 11:58:03 AM

this has been the most annoying election ever. not because of the media but because of people on facebook

ima hafta filter erybody

11/4/2008 12:04:14 PM

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"His age is clearly a factor"

Yes Ronald Reagan was a terrible president.

He was so old I am glad we didn't vote for him.

11/4/2008 12:19:55 PM

Bush senior wasn't as much of a liability at VP, obviously, as Palin is.

11/4/2008 12:26:02 PM

11/4/2008 12:28:40 PM

Because I totally said Reagan was a bad president.

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"Bush senior wasn't as much of a liability at VP, obviously, as Palin is."

Exactly.

11/4/2008 12:30:00 PM

Name 5 things the VP does?

Both VP candidates suck....Cheney sucked. What VP do you ever remember as being great just as VP?

11/4/2008 12:34:19 PM

THE VP gives council to the POTUS and obviously takes over should they die in cases of very old presidents like Reagan, and possibly McCain. Personally, I think the VP should always have strengths that help minimize the weaknesses of the Presidential candidate, but they need to at least be fucking competent because shit does happen.

McCain is old, it's obviously a factor for a lot of people, but he could have minimized it by picking someone like Romney or anybody who wasn't going to embarrass themselves and their ticket.

11/4/2008 12:38:34 PM

^^ Since you prefer to stroll down the path of incomprehension and silliness I will respond in kind. John C. Calhoun.

11/4/2008 12:39:29 PM

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"McCain is old, it's obviously a factor for a lot of people, but he could have minimized it by picking someone like Romney or anybody who wasn't going to embarrass themselves and their ticket."

This I agree with.....I hated the choice of Palin but Biden is not much better.

Also I'll make a wager with someone that McCain outlives Biden.......

11/4/2008 12:46:13 PM

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"I would just point out that Obama isn't offering free health care or education, and doesn't want to take peoples' guns"

Except for the small fact that he has ALWAYS voted for increased gun control. Always. Look up his voting record on the issue. This is definitely an issue I can see congress pushing in a year or so and Obama signing off on it, or better yet not vetoing it so he can say, "I didn't do it." even though he could have stopped it.

11/4/2008 12:49:30 PM

what issue? banning guns? some form of reasonable gun control? enlighten me

11/4/2008 12:53:06 PM

lol

yeah right dude

when Obama becomes president, he's going to eat the constitution, including the bill of rights, and become a dictator and rule our land FOREVER!!!!!

11/4/2008 12:54:54 PM

^ if you go to a gun club and talk to people, you will find that a lot of them are buying "gun tubes". Literally, plastic or metal tubes/pipes that they can put their guns in, seal them, then bury them. The NRA's fear-mongering has reached a point where their members are literally burying their guns because they think Obama is going to take them.

11/4/2008 12:58:53 PM

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"This I agree with.....I hated the choice of Palin but Biden is not much better."

Exactly. Anybody who says they're almost as confident with Biden as president as they are with Obama is either an idiot or a partisan hack. Biden is a freaking moron. Hate Palin all you want but don't act like Biden is THAT much better. Just listen to a little of his sound clips in the past few months, he doesn't know when to shut the hell up. So when he makes stupid comments, we should forgive it because he's an experienced senator? If any thing, I think he should be held to a higher standard for stupid comments than a newcomer like Palin, but of course I only think that because I'm a partisan hack myself, amirite. For all the talk about McCain making a bad decision with Palin's selection (which he did), there should be a little more said about Biden's selection, considering there were plenty of other choices that would have been better.

11/4/2008 12:59:51 PM

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"Except for the small fact that he has ALWAYS voted for increased gun control. Always. Look up his voting record on the issue. This is definitely an issue I can see congress pushing in a year or so and Obama signing off on it, or better yet not vetoing it so he can say, "I didn't do it." even though he could have stopped it."

You are seriously a GOD DAMNED FOOL if you think that your guns will be taken away. Your just like the stupid fucking rednecks in my high school that were afraid John Kerry was going to take away their guns. Morons, the lot of you.

11/4/2008 1:06:48 PM

Biden IS an idiot, but he is also significantly better than Palin. Palin caters almost exclusively to the far religious right. She doesn't seem to have any interest at all in even trying to appeal to anyone else.

11/4/2008 1:08:19 PM

Biden was 4th or 5th in the Democratic primaries. Palin was nonexistent until she was nominated for VP. Seriously, look at their educational backgrounds and tell me Palin is anywhere close to qualified to hold the highest office in the land. There is absolutely no contest between anyone and Palin. She is 100% completely unqualified to be President (at this point in time. In the future, with more experience, she may possibly be qualified).

11/4/2008 1:15:40 PM

At least Biden knows what Global Warming is

11/4/2008 1:15:54 PM

In before the

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"Joe "Plugs" Biden (aka The Human Gaffe Machine, aka Ch-Ch-Ch-Chia, aka "Rhetorical Flourishes")?"

11/4/2008 1:27:34 PM

Biden has a tendency to say dumb things from time to time, but considering how he comes off knowledgeable a large majority of the time, it's hard to think of him as much worse than a guy who doesn't have a good filter between his brain and his mouth.

Meanwhile, Palin hasn't shown she's competent enough to run a PTA, much less be the second most powerful person in the country.

11/4/2008 1:37:10 PM

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"Your just like the stupid fucking rednecks in my high school that were afraid John Kerry was going to take away their guns. "

I'm guessing you studied with those rednecks for your grammar tests?

11/4/2008 1:52:41 PM

my last chance to look at this thread while eating lunch... anyone who has time to read this should be out there volunteering... calling up a local obama campaign office, or googling your county's democratic party website, giving them a call, and asking how you can help! its your last chance.

11/4/2008 2:12:36 PM

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"Palin hasn't shown she's competent enough to run a PTA"

I love how a Katie Couric interview has totally discredited her two very popular and successful years as a governor

okay maybe she shouldn't be vice president but shit like this gets on my nerves

11/4/2008 2:15:27 PM

holy shit

even karl rove called it for obama:

http://rove.com/uploads/0000/0051/McCain-Obama_11_3_08_FINAL.pdf

11/4/2008 2:23:20 PM

^^ Yeah, it's mostly just the interview. The debate where she said nothing of substance and getting pranked by a comedy duo and her tour of the Idaho community college system probably shouldn't factor into your opinion of her capabilities.

11/4/2008 2:25:32 PM

^^^ I never saw the COuric interview, and from the clips posted online, I defended Palin, on the basis Couric essentially was asking trick questions or meaningless questions.

My first exposure to Palin was from a Alaska governor debate, and i found her attitude pretty disturbing there too.

[Edited on November 4, 2008 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2008 2:31:20 PM

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"The debate where she said nothing of substance and getting pranked by a comedy duo and her tour of the Idaho community college system probably shouldn't factor into your opinion of her capabilities."

I know, that's why those things didn't factor into my opinion.

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"getting pranked by a comedy duo"

[Edited on November 4, 2008 at 2:39 PM. Reason : lol]

11/4/2008 2:37:36 PM

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"I know, that's why those things didn't factor into my opinion."

I bet in the same breath you give maximum consideration to Obama's ties to Ayers don't you?

11/4/2008 2:57:17 PM

lol, YOU GOT ME

what a shame I take note of radical leftist influences on the president's life over a reaction to a comedy duo prank


It's too bad this argument isn't even about Palin vs. Obama, or even a defense for Palin as VP. It's a defense of her having enough competence to run a PTA, which shouldn't even have to be made considering she was a governor for 2 years

11/4/2008 3:12:39 PM

^ haha, I guess Palin and the right wing loonies are the only ones who care about Ayers.

Even McCain knows the Ayers thing is a political ploy (so does Palin too, I bet).

Seriously, take off your Fox News blinders. You've got a LOT more to worry about from Wright than Ayers.

[Edited on November 4, 2008 at 3:15 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2008 3:14:26 PM

i meant to be out at an early voting site now, i called my local democratic party hq (in this case Orange County) and asked where help was most needed, & they said they have the least volunteers at a voting location near a fire station a few miles from where i live. i headed out there and there were 8 orange county democratic party volunteers. i stood out there for over an hour giving out materials, but then i decided that if i'm going to be of little value, i might as well be of little value at my own voting location where i might see some of my neighbors (i'm about to head there now, i was so close to home i figured i check in & look at the internets)

11/4/2008 3:33:28 PM

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"Seriously, take off your Fox News blinders. You've got a LOT more to worry about from Wright than Ayers."

he brought it up, not me... and was equating its importance to a prank, which is laughable EVEN IF all the Ayers/Obama relationship is just a political ploy

11/4/2008 3:43:52 PM

They just had Joe the Plumber on CNN and it's hard to believe, but the man is even dumber than Palin.

11/4/2008 3:50:56 PM

^ that was obvious from day one. The guy is an idiot.

11/4/2008 3:52:36 PM

^ I just saw that... wow. He was a complete douchebag too, although I would have liked Sanchez to have been a little more neutral.

11/4/2008 3:52:42 PM

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"I love how a Katie Couric interview has totally discredited her two very popular and successful years as a governor okay maybe she shouldn't be vice president but shit like this gets on my nerves"

She couldn't name a newspaper.

Forget the inability to name another supreme court case.

Forget about the "I can see Russia from Alaska" comments.

She couldn't name a newspaper.

On top of that, all newspapers are named the same thing. Just say "post". Say "observer". Say "Tribune". Fuck, say "National Enquirer".

She may as well have said that she has many leatherbound books and her office smells of rich mahogany.

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"^ I just saw that... wow. He was a complete douchebag too, although I would have liked Sanchez to have been a little more neutral."

It's hard to be neutral when a guy who lied about his profession, income bracket, and doesn't even pay taxes is trying to lecture you on principles.

edit: Went looking for the Sanchez and Plumber interview, but I guess it's still too soon. I did dig up this gem though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9BJbn-fNw

[Edited on November 4, 2008 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/4/2008 3:57:05 PM

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"although I would have liked Sanchez to have been a little more neutral"

there seems to be a misconception about what "neutral" means or what the role of the media is. If someone is a complete idiot, then it's the media's responsibility to call them out on it! If someone says that he thinks voting for Obama is voting for "the death of Israel", then he deserves to be rakes across the coals trying to defend that statement

11/4/2008 4:12:33 PM

Obama's not ready--he doesn't even know the difference between The Jeffersons and Sanford and Son.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcg1SOad7Z8

11/4/2008 4:16:18 PM

Rick Sanchez and JtP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MjvOeT8Hu8

11/4/2008 4:17:46 PM

NC is going to be down to the wire. Gonna be a fun night flippin back and forth between the Canes and the election

11/4/2008 4:20:13 PM

^^^ colbert already covered that last week

11/4/2008 4:22:27 PM

poor thread...so close to page 100

11/4/2008 6:38:50 PM

^^^ John said they'd be covering both.

11/4/2008 6:42:06 PM

Results are starting to show up on WRAL for Kentucky and New Hampshire!

11/4/2008 6:43:21 PM

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"Rick Sanchez and JtP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MjvOeT8Hu8"

I don't know who Rick Sanchez is, but that was a terrible view. He kept repeating the same dumb question without really getting his point across.

11/4/2008 6:44:18 PM

Even in the midst of defeat teh hard core conservatives can not admit their own mistake choosing Palin

11/4/2008 6:46:20 PM

i heard if this thread makes 100 pages by midnight

Sarah Palin will FDT

11/4/2008 6:51:57 PM

^ahahahahhahahha

11/4/2008 7:02:39 PM