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"Source?"

memphis's rivals site.

3/30/2009 9:46:28 PM

Ryan Harrow Highlight Reel from the Elite 80 showcase
http://tinyurl.com/d34uqz

3/30/2009 10:17:57 PM

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"Describe each senior in two words Ben: Unfortunately unathletic Fells: Perpetually confused Costner: Double Cheeseburger"

Ben: Hard Worker
Fells: Consistently Inconsistent
Brandon: Not Motivated

3/30/2009 10:33:43 PM

^ agree.

3/30/2009 10:36:38 PM

i don't feel like doing recearch, but how many PPG are we losing between Ben, Courtney, Brandon, Simon and Trevor?

3/30/2009 10:39:06 PM

oh my...harrow is dirty....please watch the 1:30 mark of that video

i hope leslie can see how good he and harrow could be together

[Edited on March 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM. Reason : please come back to us c.j.]

3/30/2009 10:43:21 PM

wow. if we somehow hang on to cj (think it depends on how we do next year), we could be nasty in two years. harrow's going to be incredible. leslie along with a freshman harrow, a sophomore lo brown, and a senior tracy smith.

3/30/2009 10:51:39 PM

lol, optimism incoming.

3/30/2009 10:53:16 PM

this is completely irrelevant, but i had never bothered to look at harrow's profile on scout and didn't know he was black. how bout that. i feel better now.

3/30/2009 10:58:18 PM

ESPN2 has the McDonalds high school stuff on right now

3/30/2009 11:03:49 PM

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"i don't feel like doing recearch, but how many PPG are we losing between Ben, Courtney, Brandon, Simon and Trevor?"

About 50% of our offense came from those five. McCauley, Fells and Costner accounted for 49%. Ferg and Harris didn't score much.

3/30/2009 11:12:31 PM

god damn harrow and brown is gonna be a dirty combo in 2010

cant wait

3/31/2009 12:16:52 AM

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"lol, optimism incoming."

It beats pessimism.

(taken with a dash of realism)

3/31/2009 12:23:47 AM

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"About 50% of our offense came from those five. McCauley, Fells and Costner accounted for 49%. Ferg and Harris didn't score much."

True, but down the stretch that certainly wasn't the case. Here's the last few games of the season (in reverse order):

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"ACC Tournament – Maryland Brandon Costner, 5 Ben McCauley, 14 Courtney Fells, 4 Total 69 Senior % = 33.3% Miami Brandon Costner, 12 Ben McCauley, 6 Total - 64 Senior % = 28.1% BC Courtney Fells, 11 Brandon Costner, 18 Ben McCauley, 20 Total 74 66.2% Maryland Courtney Fells, 10 Brandon Costner, 16 Ben McCauley, 10 Totals 64 Senior % = 56.3% WF Brandon Costner, 10 Ben McCauley, 12 Courtney Fells, 8 Total 78 Senior % = 38.5% UVA Courtney Fells, 9 Brandon Costner, 0 Ben McCauley, 10 Total 72 Senior % = 26.4% UNC Brandon Costner, 12 Ben McCauley, 9 Courtney Fells, 7 Total 80 Senior % = 35%"

Over the last 7 games, the "Big 3"
- averaged only 40% of the scoring, and only 36% if you throw out Senior Night
- accounted for more than 38.5% of the scoring only twice, with one of those being on Senior night.


I think the numbers tell a very different story than the common talking point that "we're losing half our offense." If the last 7 games are any indication, then that's certainly not the case.

3/31/2009 8:44:27 AM

ONLY 40% of the scoring. get out of here w/ that.

3/31/2009 9:11:49 AM

How does Calipari leaving to UK affect our chances with Cousins? I assume he reopens...

3/31/2009 9:26:53 AM

i wouldnt be surprised if he followed

3/31/2009 9:29:40 AM

40% from 3 seniors is pathetic

3/31/2009 9:34:19 AM

FWIW, the 2001-2002 team made it to the NCAA second round after losing 50% of its scoring and 70% of its rebounding from the 2000-2001 team that went 13-16. Losing Thornton, Inge, Kelley, and Wilkins ended up being a positive when replacing them with Hodge, Evtimov, and Powell and allowing PT for Marcus Melvin and Scooter Sherrill.

The other factor was that after that dismal 2000-2001 season Herb got off his ass, installed a new offense, and became a better coach. Hopefully Sid will work this offseason to do the same.

And before someone replies with "that recruiting class was much better!!!" - yes, Hodge was a top-10 player, but Brown was barely off the McD AA roster this year. Powell was a top-50 guy (same as Howell), and Evtiomov was pretty much off everyone's radar (similar to Wood)...

3/31/2009 9:37:15 AM

Kentucky already has five star C - Daniel Orton

It doesn't totally rule out Cousins following Calipari to Kentucky but I think it decrease the chances.

3/31/2009 9:39:03 AM

Cousins was quoted as saying that Cal told him personally he wasn't leaving for UK...which is awesome because he will absolutely leave for UK. As long as Cousins doesn't follow him, he should be pissed and primed for Sid to step in!

3/31/2009 9:41:38 AM

we should probably make a move for that Orton kid

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 9:42 AM. Reason : as]

3/31/2009 9:42:52 AM

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"ONLY 40% of the scoring. get out of here w/ that."

Well, considering they averaged about 45% of the minutes a game (~30 mpg each=90mpg out of a possible 200 minutes), 40% from 3 starting seniors ain't that great. Hopefully we'll have a few new scorers step-up.


[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 9:46 AM. Reason : ]

3/31/2009 9:43:59 AM

whether or not 40% from 3 seniors is good or not is irrelevant. 40% is a lot of scoring to replace.

3/31/2009 11:02:03 AM

It's less than we lost last year.

3/31/2009 11:06:42 AM

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"FWIW, the 2001-2002 team made it to the NCAA second round after losing 50% of its scoring and 70% of its rebounding from the 2000-2001 team that went 13-16. Losing Thornton, Inge, Kelley, and Wilkins ended up being a positive when replacing them with Hodge, Evtimov, and Powell and allowing PT for Marcus Melvin and Scooter Sherrill. The other factor was that after that dismal 2000-2001 season Herb got off his ass, installed a new offense, and became a better coach. Hopefully Sid will work this offseason to do the same. And before someone replies with "that recruiting class was much better!!!" - yes, Hodge was a top-10 player, but Brown was barely off the McD AA roster this year. Powell was a top-50 guy (same as Howell), and Evtiomov was pretty much off everyone's radar (similar to Wood)..."

thats exactly right... nice point

3/31/2009 11:08:25 AM

you can't compare sidney lowe to the best coach nc state's ever had, herb sendek.

3/31/2009 11:17:22 AM

^ that would be Dick Sheridan, son!

3/31/2009 11:28:11 AM

^ i'd probably go with Norm Sloan or Everett Case

3/31/2009 11:33:18 AM

Levi Watkins was very highly rated in that class too.

RSCI (the only source I can find that goes back that far) had that class at:

Hodge: 7
Watkins: 60
Powell: 65
Collins: 112

This site is actually pretty awesome for recruiting trends:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/north-carolina-state/recruiting

Our 2004 and 2005 classes should have set us up for Top 3 in the ACC for years to come. Check this out:

2004
Simmons: 34
Brackman: 60
Grant: 78

2005:
Costner: 19
Fells: 35
McCauley: ~100

We basically had an entire rotation full of sub-100 recruits with Cam still around. Only thing missing was a solid 1.

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 11:38 AM. Reason : haha... fucking marshall williams was the 33rd best prospect in his class... jeez.]

3/31/2009 11:37:56 AM

Simonn... You make a lot of good points and aren't nearly as bad as everyone makes you out to be. But if you want to be taken even somewhat seriously, don't say stupid shit like ^^^

The last thing we need is to turn yet another thread into a Sendek flame war...

And yes, 40% is a lot, but you can't point to a single guy in the Big 3 that, in the 2nd half of the season, was the go-to guy offensively. Tracy Smith took over the post and Javi handled the ball. When the offense was clicking, it ran through those two players almost exclusively. That says a lot about how dependent the team was on the Big 3.

We're going to miss those guys, but aside from the overall youth of the team, I don't see a reason to panic over where the offensive production is coming from.

3/31/2009 11:48:54 AM

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"whether or not 40% from 3 seniors is good or not is irrelevant. 40% is a lot of scoring to replace."

True, but i guess my point was 40% isn't a lot of scoring for the minutes they averaged. Those minutes are going to be distributed out to Tracy, C.J., Brown, etc. Hopefully they'll be a little more efficient, and we'll be alright.

3/31/2009 11:57:17 AM

^^I thought he was being sarcastic.

^Yeah, and hopefully they play strong defense during their time on the court.

3/31/2009 12:25:28 PM

we weren't even in the final 3 for Cousins according to his recent comment

3/31/2009 12:55:32 PM

^I tend to not believe random folks on the internet. Where'd you see his recent comment?

3/31/2009 1:01:21 PM

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"^^I thought he was being sarcastic."

Oh... well that would make sense. Probably overreacted b/c lately I've had involuntary cold shivers anytime I've seen Sendek referenced in an NC State discussion...

3/31/2009 1:07:36 PM

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"i wouldnt be surprised if he [Cousins] followed"

UK has 4 signed already. Would they even have a scholly available for Cousins? And/or Wall?

3/31/2009 1:30:03 PM

I'm sure Calipari knows a guy

3/31/2009 1:31:16 PM

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"“It’s a done deal he goes,” Cousins said after practice. Later he added, if Calipari left, “I guess I’d have to start all over again.” That would be a tough process for guy once committed to UAB and then Memphis. He said Kansas State and Washington were his closest competitors when he pledged to Memphis. “They would be back in the picture because I have a great relationship with the coaches at Kansas State and Washington.” "

From PP

3/31/2009 1:31:36 PM

So much hope in those first two sentences, so much sadness after that.

3/31/2009 1:35:23 PM

I'll believe we are out of it when Cousins signs somewhere else. (assuming Cal is gone)

3/31/2009 1:38:33 PM

I'm absolutely fucking convinced that no one has any god damn clue about Recruiting on any of these sites (Packpride, WPhoops, etc, etc). I've been force fed that we were a close second and now the guy himself doesn't even MENTION us... I mean come on.

3/31/2009 1:38:45 PM

^^^^

Which instantly elicited a 'cover my ass' response from the great prophet Gravis.

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 1:40 PM. Reason : f]

3/31/2009 1:40:14 PM

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"I'm absolutely fucking convinced that no one has any god damn clue about Recruiting on any of these sites"

Yeah, everyone seems to have been far too optimistic on Cousins and Favors. I can't help but think the same is true for Wall.

3/31/2009 1:41:44 PM

I don't mind optimism in game threads or in prediction threads, etc, etc... but I can't stand when people claim to have "insider" sources and just blow smoke up everyone's ass. I don't know if it's a defensive mechanism trying to protect a coach that SOME people think is on the hot seat or what... but all it does is get people MORE pissed off when they players act like we don't even exist...

3/31/2009 1:43:28 PM

This is the reason I don't like to pay much attention to recruiting. Call me when they pull the hat out of the bag.

3/31/2009 1:46:38 PM

while we're talking about it, when it's said that the above quote was "from PP", does that mean he was quoted in an article on PP, or does that mean that someone on PP said that DC said that?

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 2:16 PM. Reason : V oh, thanks. ]

3/31/2009 2:10:46 PM

Someone on PP posted an article from scouts that that had it.

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 2:13 PM. Reason : http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/852267.html]

3/31/2009 2:12:22 PM

it'll be signing day in a couple of weeks, so hopefully all these shenanigans will be over then

3/31/2009 2:18:47 PM

Part of it is that these "insiders" don't have a clue what's going on, but I think a bigger part of it is that these fucking kids are teenagers and half the time they don't even know what is going on.

kansas state? washington? seems like he just pulled two schools out of his ass.

3/31/2009 2:21:08 PM