I hear ya. IIRC though, it actually only ran for a little over an hour when I went.

12/30/2010 6:53:40 PM

Put about 25 .454 Casull rounds through the 460...big recoil but no big deal and not even the biggest load...loud but not as loud as I was expecting...smooth action, pretty accurate where we were shooting from about 25-30 feet away...here are some pics below...I should've taken one of the 1/4" steel plate we were shooting at, cause we beat it up pretty good...I take a couple pics of my S&W Model 60 .38 to compare size















very fun to shoot...but if you shot 50 rounds through it, your hands would be sore

12/31/2010 6:41:09 PM

That's one nicely finished forcing cone

12/31/2010 7:40:19 PM

blends right in

12/31/2010 8:39:34 PM

What would be a great price for a new LCP out the door? I'm thinking $300 cash...

12/31/2010 11:13:22 PM

That's a pretty good price, I guess, but hardly a fire sale price.

1/1/2011 10:37:05 AM

that's about average- typical price that I see, minus tax, so what- about 24 bucks cheaper "out the door" if you will. I would buy it at that price, but that price is not special enough to make me run out and get one tomorrow

1/1/2011 8:55:59 PM

^^^ that's the normal price. What me and others bought it at. Never seen it lower.

1/1/2011 9:26:27 PM

I paid $289+tax for my LCP 3 days ago at Lawmens in Raleigh.

1/1/2011 9:41:02 PM

Damn bastards lowered the price

1/1/2011 9:47:48 PM

Lawmens is almost ALWAYS ~$15-20 cheaper on their guns than most other gun shops.

1/1/2011 10:12:44 PM

jims has always been the best i've seen. then again, he would need to special order most stuff

1/1/2011 10:18:36 PM

I've never been to Jim's, but I dont think it'd be worth the drive if you're in the Raleigh/Durham area. The money you'd save would be spent on gas.

1/1/2011 10:26:38 PM

it is only a couple miles away from PDHS and Lawmans- really not bad at all, especially if you live in south raleigh. And if you are driving to the other ones from north raleigh/durham, then Jim's really isn't that much further out of the way (according to mapquest, it is only 2.75 miles from personal defense0

1/2/2011 1:21:13 AM

How would I go about getting on the Camp Butner rifle range?

1/2/2011 1:26:32 AM

dunno for sure, but maybe this can help:

http://www.nc.ngb.army.mil/index.php/trainingsites/

1/2/2011 1:29:04 AM

I'm up in Raleigh right now with my 7mm REM, AR-7, and Saiga 12, if anyone wants to go shoot and has a good place to do it.

I have some family land about 30 minutes from here, but I don't feel like finding targets and a table and stuff to drag out there...if nobody has a good place to shoot, I'll prob just go back home a little early and go to B&R in Havelock (they have a 200 yard range).

1/2/2011 11:17:52 AM

A lot of the RSOs at the Wake County range coach rifle at Butner, you could probably call down there and ask, or come down to Spring Lake, to Range 37 (the fake one)

1/2/2011 5:47:15 PM

Good info on the Wake Co. Maybe they'll drop some of that info over the phone. I'll be damned if I'll sit through a 2-hour class just to shoot my rifle on a 100-yard range.

Never heard of that Range 37...looks like they just have a 100-yard range, though. There's a 200-yard range 30 minutes from me in Havelock, though.



Man, I'd like to buy a rifle to get into competitive shooting. I think I'd enjoy F-class, but maybe I'd enjoy some sort of service rifle shooting with an AR. The big factor is what kind of matches are available nearby my next duty station, as I won't be here in NC enough longer to choose my rifle based on what matches are around here.

[Edited on January 2, 2011 at 11:26 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2011 11:22:55 PM

range 37 == range 1

1/3/2011 6:40:30 AM

just got my CCP address changed. It was free and they gave me a second laminated card that I have to keep with my original showing the new address- I was surprised they didn't make me pay anything for a new card

1/3/2011 12:58:10 PM

in my experience, it really depends on the county. i moved (my legal address) from wayne co. to person co. and person gave me a 8.5x11" sheet for free and told me to keep it with me. i told them there was no way that would survive for 4 yrs in my wallet, so they sold me a duplicate for 10 or 15 bucks i think. then the dumb cunt working there didn't know how to work the laminating machine so i had to laminate it at work.

1/3/2011 1:54:28 PM

Ha. When I moved from Person, they gave me the sheet and the JoCo sheriff told me I could carry that around or buy a new card from them for like $10. I'm still carrying the folded 8.5x11 sheet in my wallet.

1/3/2011 3:32:33 PM

they made the new card out of a folded up piece of paper (cut off all the extreneous stuff). I could have bought a new card ("dupilicate") for 15 bucks, but it is just one extra card, and I didn't have EXACT change, so I said f- it

feels good to be 100% legal again

1/3/2011 3:37:00 PM

Speaking of the LCP, did anyone see Ruger's latest pistol? They announced the LC9, single stack 9mm, slightly larger than the LCP. I think their website updated today. It's right on the front page.

1/4/2011 12:38:43 AM

Quote :

"They announced the LC9, single stack 9mm, slightly larger than the LCP."

obligatory...so when does the recall come out on it?

I will probably wait and see how this does vs. the Sig 290 and hope one of them is worth buying.

1/4/2011 2:25:10 AM

Glock G26/G27
MSRP: $599.99
LENGTH: 6.29 in.
HEIGHT: 4.17 in.
WIDTH: 1.18 in.
WEIGHT: 19.75 oz
CAPACITY: 10+1 / 9+1

Ruger LC9
MSRP: $443.00
LENGTH: 6.00 in.
HEIGHT: 4.50 in.
WIDTH: 0.90 in.
WEIGHT: 17.10 oz
CAPACITY: 7+1

Sig P290
MSRP: TBD
LENGTH: 5.50 in.
HEIGHT: 3.90 in.
WIDTH: 1.10 in.
WEIGHT: 20.5 oz
CAPACITY: 8+1

Glocks are on sale now for about $100 off... I'm not a hardcore glock fanboy, but the extra capacity in similar package is very attractive even though it's the longest and widest firearm of the three (but not by much)


[Edited on January 4, 2011 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2011 9:51:01 AM

I'm more excited about the Kel Tec KSG.

It's a bullpup pump shotgun, 2 magazine tubes. MSRP supposed to be around 750.

1/4/2011 1:51:14 PM

I'm a little dubious about Kel-Tec quality, we'll see how this pans out.

1/5/2011 12:06:00 PM

Any recommendations for a first-time handgun buyer? I posted something in the classified thread but thought i'd post up here as well.

I tried to do some research and it seems as if a 1911 would be a good first purchase and I had interest in a taurus 1911, but am open to some educated input

1/5/2011 12:25:12 PM

What do you plan on doing with it?

Do you want to carry it? Is it strictly a range-gun? Home defense?

If you're carrying regularly, the 1911 weighs a ton and it's going to get cumbersome.

If you're just plinking at the range, nothing wrong with a 1911 other than the high cost of ammo. I'd look into a 9mm or something that is cheaper and ammo is more widely available.

If it's for home defense, and you're set on a pistol rather than a shotgun, nothing wrong with a 1911 really.

1/5/2011 12:37:37 PM

This would mainly be a range gun, I do have a shotgun at home now. I don't plan on carrying this first handgun outside of to and from the range.

1/5/2011 1:59:50 PM

held my next firearm last night

S&W 686
6" barrel
.357mag

Quite possibly the best fitting firearm I've held. Weight (granted this was unloaded, but yea), length, balance, etc. were all amazing.

Now, just where to find the best deal....willing to go used with this. Thoughts?

1/5/2011 3:38:14 PM

Hey nick- the advice given in the classifieds thread is pretty good, and it seemed like everyone else agreed with each other. Nothing wrong with a 1911, but it isnt the normally recommended first gun. I suggest rereading through those, and then going to look at some 9mm guns.

1/5/2011 6:07:03 PM

Any info on how the Kel Tec works in terms of what tube it selects the next round from? That would be pretty sweet to have one tube loaded up with buckshot and the other with slugs and be able to pick which one you wanted to load.

1/5/2011 6:26:39 PM

Duke, I don't think they'll let you shoot at Butner unless it's through the CMP. That's the only time I've heard of recreational shooting being done there.

1/5/2011 6:36:42 PM

DamnStraight for a starter handgun I would go with a Glock G17. It's a standard 9mm nothing flashy it would make for a good range gun and for the bedside home defense (it is one of my bedside guns) I have shot numerous rounds through my G17 and never had a problem, never jammed, never misfired or hang fired. I am anal about keeping my guns clean but I hear from bigger Glock fan boys at how many rounds they can fire without ever cleaning the gun.

[Edited on January 5, 2011 at 6:53 PM. Reason : can't spell]

1/5/2011 6:50:55 PM

Is this also the gun control thread?

1/5/2011 7:35:10 PM

yes, use both hands.

1/5/2011 7:58:33 PM

Quote :

"Any info on how the Kel Tec works in terms of what tube it selects the next round from? That would be pretty sweet to have one tube loaded up with buckshot and the other with slugs and be able to pick which one you wanted to load."

Well according to:
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=5659

The operator is able to move a switch located near the top of the grip to select the right or left tube, or move the switch to the center to eject a shell without chambering another round. The bull-pup design results in an overall length of only 26" with an 18.5" barrel while the bottom eject design makes the firearm truly ambidextrous. The incredibly short overall length makes it more nimble than a sawed off shotgun, and with a 14+1 capacity you don’t sacrifice ammunition capacity to get a shotty in a small package.


[Edited on January 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM. Reason : .]

1/5/2011 8:04:39 PM

i don't have a shotgun ATM, but i'd like to get one...the CIA ultra 87 (an 870 clone) is about $155 after shipping to a local FFL dealer (and then the FFL dealer fee)

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/70782-1.html

is this a good deal? decent shotgun for a non-enthusiast?

there are boatloads of dealers in the area (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/FFLDealers/)...do they all charge the same fee? how does this work (as i've never bought a gun online)?

1/6/2011 10:01:31 AM

^^ Thanks for the info, that sounds like it could be a pretty sweet gun if it has a little better quality that other kel tec's I have seen

^ I would spend a bit more and get a Mossberg 500 if I was you. Gun has a great reputation and isn't very expensive.

1/6/2011 10:12:38 AM

^^ you can call them up and check, it's usually 20-30 in the area. just make sure to tell them when you decide who you're going to use.

1/6/2011 10:44:55 AM

I have a strong feeling that Kel-Tec will be joining my collection.

1/6/2011 11:23:35 AM

Quote :

"I would spend a bit more and get a Mossberg 500 if I was you. Gun has a great reputation and isn't very expensive."

2x the price isn't really "a bit more", IMO...also, this gun seems to be pretty good based on gun magazine's january 2008 review:

Quote :

"Moving into the general defense shotgun market is an interesting new model designed by Steve Kahaya of Century International Arms. Based largely on the Remington 870 platform, CIA's model has some refinements even Remington overlooked. The best part is the new Ultra 87 is retailing for less than $240. The last time I looked, Remington had delivered their 9 millionth Model 870. With its double-action bars, a breech bolt locking into a hardened barrel extension, a self-contained, quick-detachable fire control system, and endless gauge and model options, the Model 870 has been the most successful pump-action shotgun in firearm history. I still remember the day my father traded in his beautiful Fox Sterlingworth for a Model 870 Wingmaster and then had the Remington barrel shortened to 25" and finished off with a Polychoke. Today, can you imagine trading in a genuine Sterlingworth for a Model 870? But that's the level of impact the Model 870 had on shooters during the early 1950's. It was a hot number. No wonder when it came time for Century International to design the Ultra 87, they selected the most important elements of a time-tested system and then added some improvements of their own. The Ultra 87 is all business. It's no upland field gun and doesn't handle like one. It's made to be tough, handy and reliable. Its purpose is to place buckshot, shot and slugs downrange with some precision--and it does--So it also rates high in the survival gun category. At least three features set the Chinese-made Ultra 87 apart from its Remington parentage. Gone is Remington's cross-bolt safety button at the rear of the triggerguard. It was usually too small and too stiff anyway, and it single-handedly created the aftermarket for jumbo head safety conversions. What designer Kahaya did was to replace the triggerguard safety with a tang safety, much like the one found on top of the pistol grip of the Mossberg 500. In the rear "safety on" position, the Ultra 87 button cams a metal locking block up against the back of the trigger effectively immobilizing it. Pushed forward and taken off safety, the tang button reveals a red dot on the receiver indicating the Ultra 87 is good to go. The tang safety is a vast improvement over the cross-bolt safety. It's handier, faster and ambidextrous. Given the corrosion problems associated with plastic wad and lead fouling, European shotgun makers, in particular, have done an excellent job in adding that next degree of protection by chrome-plating their bores. Our domestic makers have not. Before and throughout WWII, the Chinese certainly recognized the value of the chrome-plated bores incorporated in Japanese small arms and have continued the practice in much of their own small arms production. Yes, the bore of the Ultra 87 is chrome-plated, offering both improved corrosion protection and ease of cleaning. The Ultra carries a set of highly visible, red, fiber-optic, open sights. The rear sight is fully adjustable for windage and elevation, producing a clear sight picture of the red front bead snuggled down between two opposed red dots of the rear sight. They're great sights and were dead-on when I slammed slugs downrange. However, I hate to see that strip of daylight beneath the front fiber-optic rod. The fiber-optic rod should be snuggled down against a metal base to reinforce it. The current suspended rod is just too fragile on a serious business gun. The Ultra 87 also is drilled and tapped for a Weaver-style base packaged with the gun. I screwed the base right on. It doesn't interfere with the open sights, and it proved ideal for mounting my tried-and-true, tough, old Ultra-Dot. The factory supplied optics base on the Ultra 87 is a real plus in my book. The black, pebble-grained, synthetic stock is solid, thick-walled and well dimensioned. The molded-in checkering on the forearm and pistol grip could be a bit coarser or sharper and the ventilated, recoil pad would look nicer and stay cleaner if solid-walled, but otherwise, I give the stocking a thumbs-up. One very nice addition to the gun is it comes with factory-fitted sling swivels. The Ultra is supplied with a clear owner's manual. As I read through it, two items caught my attention. One is a warning the inner receiver surfaces are sharp and not polished off. Yes, they are sharp! I can attest to it. Secondly, in the disassembly/reassembly section, one critical piece of information is missing. If you remove the bolt and slide assembly for cleaning, to reassemble it into the frame, you must depress the right and then the left shell stops in that order as you pull back the fore-end. You will have to disassemble and clean the Ultra 87 because it is factory packed in a heavy preservative. First, I function tested it by running through a box of 7-1/2 shot at hand-tossed clays. From its 5-shot magazine, it fed, fired, extracted and ejected without a hitch. The synthetic magazine follower is bright yellow, by the way, and provides a good visual check on whether or not there is another shell in the magazine tube. I've been wanting to try Winchester's new Power Point, 1-ounce Foster-type slugs, with a stated velocity of 1,700 fps. With its open sights and cylinder-bored barrel, the Ultra was a natural test bed. Offhand at 25 yards and without any adjustment to the sights, I placed the first three slugs into a 1-1/4" group in the 10-ring of a B-27 target. My wife is my witness. It doesn't get much better than that. Century International Arms will be upgrading the Ultra 87 with a 28" fixed choke, sporting barrel plus optional folding buttstocks, pistol grips and heat shields. Combining a time-tested design with improved features and competitively priced, the Ultra 87 fills an important niche in the defensive and survival smoothbore market."

it's actually $152 from bud's with free shipping, so a bit less...

[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 12:05 PM. Reason : text]

1/6/2011 11:59:56 AM

I got my mossberg 500 for about 280 out the door... for something I trust a little more and has a better reputation, I consider it worth the "little bit" extra. Next shotgun I'm going to buy is going to be in the 500-700 dollar range and will be a semi auto 20ga

1/6/2011 12:16:04 PM

Quote :

"I got my mossberg 500 for about 280 out the door"

where from? best i can find from a "trusted" dealer is $300 with shipping, and then add the FFL

maybe http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/14661

[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 12:32 PM. Reason : link]

1/6/2011 12:21:36 PM

jim's gunshop out in garner (I guess the address is technically in raleigh)


nice dude, good prices. I just know nothing of CIA guns, and thus probably wouldn't trust them, simply based on the price of the gun. I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for, and the bottom shelf of "bargain" guns is still gonna be around 250-300 bucks

have you looked at pawn shops yet? might be able to find something used for a good price...

1/6/2011 12:35:06 PM

thanks for the tip, i'll check out jim's

but no, i haven't really checked out pawn shops, just because the acquisition of a shot gun is one of those things i haven't really put high on my priority list...its primary purpose would probably be home defense and the CIA ultra 87 seems to be of high enough quality to fulfill that purpose

that said, it looks like a 19" barrel is pretty short and would severely limit its usefulness as a hunting gun...i figure that if i'm going to get one, might as well be a bit more multipurpose

1/6/2011 1:01:20 PM

Changing barrels on pretty much any shotgun is a trivial process. You could always get the "tactical" model for keeping under the bed, and buy a more hunting-oriented barrel for doing that.

1/6/2011 2:03:59 PM