Wall has always been about himself and honestly I can't fault him for it. He shows almost no loyalty to Sid for recruiting him first but he's a smarter man for it.

Wall has ALWAYS wanted the most exposure, to be surrounded by the best talent, and to compete for an NC (if you read his earlier interviews this a big point of emphasis for him). We could offer him a decent amount of media exposure but without much proven talent that's about it.

We could of course tell him that he'd be a legend and the face of the program but really all that got Beasley was a nice win over Kansas, a huge snub for NPOY, and far less hype than he deserved (i.e. fewer endorsements) + just like Wall he was going to be a top pick wherever he went.

I like the kid, I hope he does well and wish he would surprise us all by picking State but it's obvious that either UNC or Duke would be an excellent fit for what he wants to achieve.

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 12:32 AM. Reason : .]

4/8/2009 12:31:34 AM

please John Wall don't go to Duke or UNC

oh jesus that'd be devastating

4/8/2009 12:39:47 AM

Quote :

"He shows almost no loyalty to Sid for recruiting him first"

Nor should he. That would be an incredibly ignorant reason for him to commit somewhere. The truth is, if we put a better basketball product on the floor over his recruitment there is a good chance he comes here. We didn't. If I were him I'd seriously consider UNC or Duke as well...

*** Looks like DeMarcus Cousins is going to be a UK Wildcat. No surprise there, though...

4/8/2009 1:02:12 AM

yeah I agree 100% but many fans will always have a bullshit sense of entitlement over a local/legacy recruit. Given how long we've been recruiting Wall it's not surprising to see some delusional fans who think he has some sort of obligation to sign with State because of all the attention Sid has given him.

4/8/2009 2:25:00 AM

i laugh at you who think john wall should make this decision w/ anyone but john wall in mind.

4/8/2009 2:26:07 AM

what the fuck
http://www.technicianonline.com/sports/facebook-you-have-one-ncaa-violation-1.1647898

4/8/2009 8:36:56 AM

Whispers: UK recruiting dominoes set to fall?
Jerry Meyer
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting

DeMarcus Cousins is the No. 1 recruiting target for the new Kentucky coaching staff. The odds are very strong that Cousins will announce his intention to follow Calipari to Kentucky and that could be the beginning of some big news on the recruiting trail for the Wildcats. Rivals.com's Jerry Meyer has the latest in the Weekly Whispers.
http://florida.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=933109&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

scout article:
It didn’t take DeMarcus Cousins long to find his new home.

Cousins, Scout.com’s 6th ranked recruit, made a commitment for the third time. After initially committing to UAB and then to Memphis, Cousins has now settled on Kentucky, where he’ll play for John Calipari.

4/8/2009 8:47:43 AM

^^ so how long until we are put on probation?

4/8/2009 8:55:17 AM

^How long until UNC and Duke's fans are applauded for their passion by making the same exact groups.

4/8/2009 9:39:05 AM

^it's ok there, though b/c those "fans" don't represent the university. they didn't go there

4/8/2009 11:20:10 AM

ZING

4/8/2009 11:25:43 AM

^^Sorry, suppose I should just refer to the students in those groups. However many/few there are. Probably right that there are a ton that aren't.

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 11:26 AM. Reason : ^^]

4/8/2009 11:25:48 AM

Is Xavier Henry's brother C.J. the same C.J. Henry that was a first round pick of the Yankees and turned in to a complete Drew Henson-like bust? Or am I crazy...

4/8/2009 11:34:55 AM

^ Yes.

4/8/2009 11:40:45 AM

Sweet .649 minor league OPS though...

4/8/2009 11:48:20 AM

My God I hope Wall doesn't go to UNC, Duke, or Kentucky. Even if you don't choose State, please don't choose one of those schools, especially UNC.

4/8/2009 11:57:10 AM

Cousins semi-officially to UK a la a more major source than msg boards


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=4051615

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 12:07 PM. Reason : asdfasdf]

4/8/2009 12:06:22 PM

look about 10 posts up

4/8/2009 12:07:42 PM

His is a better source and doesn't require a membership.

4/8/2009 12:15:43 PM

so now kentucky has two incoming 5-star centers?

4/8/2009 12:18:51 PM

^ Orton is gonna peace out, asked for his release.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=854755&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f854755.html

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 1:19 PM. Reason : da source]

4/8/2009 1:03:18 PM

better source than a site specifically for just recruiting
lol

4/8/2009 1:07:49 PM

^^source?

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 1:09 PM. Reason : ^]

4/8/2009 1:09:13 PM

I'd imagine Orton ends up at OU or tOSU...

4/8/2009 1:09:32 PM

No, better because the source is Cousins' coach.

4/8/2009 1:09:54 PM

Quote :

"^^source?"

there is an article about it on Rivals but nothing on ESPN yet

4/8/2009 1:12:06 PM

Why the hell do you fucksticks piss all over him every time he posts a link like this? I appreciate it since this thread is a lot easier to read and get FACTS from than any on Packpride... jeez.

4/8/2009 1:17:28 PM

wow, bigger shake up at UK than I imagined. both orton leaving and meeks declaring for the draft within a couple of days definitely raises some eye brows.

4/8/2009 1:23:30 PM

I'm not pissing all over him.

Someone posted an ESPN link that sourced Cousins' coach and gunzz told the guy it was old news. gunzz posted a link that requires a membership.

4/8/2009 1:23:31 PM

Quote :

"meeks declaring for the draft within a couple of days definitely raises some eye brows."

yeah, but Meeks hasn't hired an agent yet right? So he could still come back if he doesn't like his standing in the draft.

4/8/2009 2:11:52 PM

gunzz has less margin for error with his posts

With most users, they can fuck up and not get lambasted for it

but most users don't have an entire thread dedicated to their quotes

Not saying its right...not saying its wrong...thats just the way it is

4/8/2009 2:17:44 PM

most users don't flip shit b/c they're a chitchat mod when they get told something is old, either.

4/8/2009 2:47:52 PM

armorforsleep, you are correct...Meeks will not be hiring an agent so he can come back to school if he wants

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM. Reason : haha...flip my shit / usofunny ]

4/8/2009 2:49:16 PM

Lo Brown jumped 20 spots in the rankings to make it into the ESPNU top 30 in the nation.

Also moving up: John Wall (Raleigh, N.C./Word of God) from 6 to 5; Jordan Hamilton (Compton, Calif./Dominguez) from 9 to 8; Kenny Boynton (Pompano Beach, Fla./American Heritage) 10 to 9; Mason Plumlee (Warsaw, Ind./Christ School) 11 to 10; Mouphtaou Yarou (Rockville, Md./Montrose Christian) 27 to 18; John Jenkins (Gallatin, Tenn./Station Camp) 30 to 21; Michael Snaer (Moreno Valley, Calif./Rancho Verde); Tommy Mason-Griffin (Houston/Madison) 37 to 24; Elijah Johnson 69 to 28 (Las Vegas/Cheyenne); Lorenzo Brown (Roswell, Ga./Centennial) 49 to 29; Noel Johnson (Fayetteville, Ga./Fayette County) 65 to 30; Jamil Wilson (Racine, Wis./William Horlick) 62 to 31; Thomas Robinson (Washington, D.C./Brewster Academy) 58 to 40; Aaron Dotson (Seattle/Rainier Beach) 66 to 45; Shawn Williams (Duncanville, Texas) 72 to 53; Kawhi Leonard 78 to 56 (Riverside, Calif./King).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=biancardi_paul&id=4054919

4/10/2009 12:41:32 PM

Looks like we may be getting a recruit this weekend, the Aussie.

4/10/2009 1:07:11 PM

Man I hope so. I know his offer list isn't exactly anything to be proud of, but we need a big and the staff obviously thinks he can play.

[Edited on April 10, 2009 at 1:08 PM. Reason : ]

4/10/2009 1:08:19 PM

bartosz 2.0

4/10/2009 2:34:04 PM

I doubt we (or SoCal) would have offered if he was just a Bartosz 2.0

4/10/2009 3:07:53 PM

well, we did offer bartosz didn't we?

either way, I will reserve judgment until I see him play

4/10/2009 3:17:00 PM

from the same place that Bogut went, so he should be decent

4/10/2009 3:23:59 PM

Quote :

"Also moving up: John Wall (Raleigh, N.C./Word of God) from 6 to 5; Jordan Hamilton (Compton, Calif./Dominguez) from 9 to 8; Kenny Boynton (Pompano Beach, Fla./American Heritage) 10 to 9; Mason Plumlee (Warsaw, Ind./Christ School) 11 to 10; Mouphtaou Yarou (Rockville, Md./Montrose Christian) 27 to 18; John Jenkins (Gallatin, Tenn./Station Camp) 30 to 21; Michael Snaer (Moreno Valley, Calif./Rancho Verde); Tommy Mason-Griffin (Houston/Madison) 37 to 24; Elijah Johnson 69 to 28 (Las Vegas/Cheyenne); Lorenzo Brown (Roswell, Ga./Centennial) 49 to 29; Noel Johnson (Fayetteville, Ga./Fayette County) 65 to 30; Jamil Wilson (Racine, Wis./William Horlick) 62 to 31; Thomas Robinson (Washington, D.C./Brewster Academy) 58 to 40; Aaron Dotson (Seattle/Rainier Beach) 66 to 45; Shawn Williams (Duncanville, Texas) 72 to 53; Kawhi Leonard 78 to 56 (Riverside, Calif./King). "

2 more that we were pretty involved with at one point.

4/10/2009 5:25:15 PM

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ap-facebook-ncaarecruiting&prov=ap&type=lgns

Quote :

" Student warned over Facebook site wooing prospect By JUSTIN POPE, AP Education Writer 28 minutes ago RALEIGH, N.C. (AP)—College sports fans, be careful of the company you keep on Facebook. You might get yourself—and the program you support—in trouble. That was the lesson this week for Taylor Moseley, a North Carolina State freshman who expressed a common-enough opinion on campus when he started the Facebook group called “John Wall PLEASE come to NC STATE!!!!” More than 700 people signed up for the group encouraging Wall—a local standout and the nation’s No. 1 basketball recruit—to pick the Wolfpack by national signing day next week. But the NCAA says such sites, and dozens more like them wooing Wall and other top recruits, violate its rules. More than just cheerleading boards, the NCAA says the sites are an attempt to influence the college choice of a recruit. ADVERTISEMENT Moseley got a cease and desist letter from N.C. State’s compliance director, Michelle Lee, warning of “further action” if he failed to comply. In an interview Friday, Lee said that people who act as boosters but fail to follow recruiting guidelines could face penalties such as being denied tickets or even being formally “disassociated” from the athletic program. Adam Kissel, director of the Individual Rights Defense Program at the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, said the NCAA can impose rules on its member colleges. But universities—especially public ones—can’t enforce them if it means punishing students in any way for expressing an opinion. “A student doesn’t lose First Amendment rights because of a contract the university signs with (the NCAA),” he said. Moseley, the student, didn’t respond to a request for comment, but the group has been renamed “Bring a National Title back to NC STATE!” and features a photo of Wall. Though Lee sent Mosley the tough warning, even she finds the rule exasperating. The NCAA, she says, simply isn’t keeping up with the technology reality. “I think nationally the NCAA needs to address further Facebook and how these groups play a part in recruiting,” she said. “Is it realistic for us to be able to monitor them? What harm is a group like this causing? But as the legislation stands right now, this is the position we have to take.” NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson said the group considers its rules “technology neutral.” A Facebook page is simply a high-tech way to try to influence recruits. The NCAA’s concern is “intrusions into a high school student’s life when they’re trying to decide where to go to college,” he said. He said the NCAA is keeping up with technology, noting new rules on text-messaging from coaches. Christianson said the NCAA expects institutions to act as N.C. State did, reaching out to the creators of such groups to “educate” them about the rules. He added he was not aware the NCAA had ever initiated any action related to a Facebook group or notified an institution about one. But dozens of Facebook groups are still up in plain site for current recruits, including Wall, and other top undecided basketball players such as Xavier Henry and Lance Stephenson. Wall, a 6-4 playmaker, averaged 21 points, seven rebounds and nine assists for Raleigh Word of God this past season. He’s the No. 1-ranked recruit in the country by both Rivals.com and Scout.com, and among the last top players yet to commit. A Facebook search reveals groups including “Bring John Wall to Baylor,” “John Wall Belongs at UNC” and “John Wall, come to DUKE!!” There are at least four groups encouraging Wall to pick Kentucky. Through an athletic department spokesman, UK head of compliance Sandy Bell declined to comment on whether the department has taken any action in response to such groups. Facebook did not respond to an e-mailed request for comment. Kissel, of the education rights group, and Aden Fine of the American Civil Liberties Union, said that while the NCAA—a private entity—could pursue sanctions against a student like Moseley (such as denying him access to an entirely NCAA-run event), it was troubling that the letter and threatened sanction came from the university. “The school is potentially finding themselves in a tricky situation, because of the NCAA rules, but that doesn’t mean public universities can censor lawful speech,” Fine said. Christianson dismissed the free speech argument, saying courts have upheld the NCAA’s right to set recruiting rules for members. “We don’t see it as a free speech issue. What we do see it as is a recruiting issue,” he said. “We want to be sure that we limit that level of intrusion that comes into their lives.”"

4/10/2009 5:36:30 PM

4/10/2009 7:31:24 PM

I'm starting another John Wall Facebook group

4/10/2009 8:45:53 PM

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/10/829755/john-wall-the-future

Wall interview.

When he puts on a few pounds upper body he is going to be an absolute beast with his height and quickness...

[Edited on April 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM. Reason : he honestly doesnt seem like a bad kid...]

4/11/2009 11:55:21 AM

Not sure if many of you know much about 2010 recruit Luke Cothron (C/PF). He's a big kid and likes State a lot. He's offered and really likes Coach Lowe. We're up at the Boo Williams Invitational right now and he's really impressing us.

He's a 5 star on Rivals and a 4 star on Scout. We'll have an interview up tomorrow most likely and more video up tonight. Here is the highlight video for his first game a few hours ago:

http://wolfpackhoops.blogspot.com/2009/04/video-luke-cothrons-1st-game-at-2009.html

[Edited on April 11, 2009 at 12:27 PM. Reason : sp]

4/11/2009 12:27:17 PM

from the SI article...

Quote :

" It really doesn't even matter about the exposure. I just want to go to a team that needs a point guard. That's where I'm trying to come in. I'm trying to be the missing piece to a team. I don't want to come in and be the person they have to go to every key play because for a freshman that would be kind of tough. I wouldn't mind taking challenges but I'm going to be honest, it's going to be a tough one as a freshman, going through so many games, travelling. So to have some veterans on the team and you come in and be the missing piece, that's going to be [what I'm looking for]. "

if there was any hope left for landing him, that'll be sure to dash it.

4/11/2009 12:30:13 PM

I know UConn is going hard after Cothron too, but hey we outdid them for Zo, so why not this kid too...

Plus UConn has had an embarrassment of riches at the PF/C position the last decade

[Edited on April 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM. Reason : though I think Cothron is the backup to Tobias Harris...]

4/11/2009 12:38:32 PM

We got to speak with him and he had some VERY good things to say about the Pack....we'll have an interview up soon.

4/11/2009 12:45:59 PM

bump bump

4/11/2009 6:14:34 PM