Please god let this create an OU/Mizzou bidding war over Marshall

3/31/2011 9:04:19 PM

i don't understand the gregg marshall hate. sure his ncaa record blows but it was at winthrop, a school that had never been to the ncaa tournament before he got there. 7 of winthrop's 9 ncaa appearances were under marshall and he's responsible for the schools only ncaa win.

it seems like he walked into a hard situation at wichita state. "But within a month of each other, WSU recruit Guy Alang-Ntang collapsed and died during a pickup game -- right in front of Marshall's eyes -- and DeAndre Adams, one of his key role players at Winthrop, died as a result of injuries sustained in a car accident." he finished 9th in the conference that year

http://www.midmajority.com/p/638

the following year 5th, 2nd after that, and 2nd this year. his team just beat alabama by 9 to win the NIT. in the NIT, his team beat nebraska by 27, virginia tech by 3, college of charleston by 7, and washington state by 31.

wichita state is currently ranked 28 in the pomeroy (highest rated team not in the NCAAs)

his worst loss this year was to san diego state by 14, uconn by 4, and vcu by 1.

his team was 80 in ppg, 52nd in rebounding, 42nd in assists, and 43rd in field goal percentage.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2724/wichita-state-shockers

he's not my number 1, but the man can coach.

3/31/2011 9:07:09 PM

^yea, i don't think a lot of people understand that Winthrop is a low major, not a mid major. Their conference champ this year (Asheville) was in the play in game. Low major's are usually ranked 14-16 and rarely ever win.

3/31/2011 9:08:37 PM

Not wanting marshall doesnt have a thing to do with donovan or any other pipe dream that has been mentioned in this thread.

Marshall is near last on my list and hopefully he is last on Yow's list too, unless her aspiration is for us to win the NIT.

3/31/2011 9:08:39 PM

^winning the NIT as a mid major is a very good accomplishment IMO..

3/31/2011 9:09:29 PM

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"it seems like he walked into a hard situation at wichita state. "But within a month of each other, WSU recruit Guy Alang-Ntang collapsed and died during a pickup game -- right in front of Marshall's eyes -- and DeAndre Adams, one of his key role players at Winthrop, died as a result of injuries sustained in a car accident." he finished 9th in the conference that year"

I dont want him because I don't want our players to start dying.

3/31/2011 9:13:09 PM

It takes a good coach to win games with less talent. Compared to our unknown last hire, any coach with a record of winning on the collegiate level is fine with me.

3/31/2011 9:16:45 PM

the two g's are a deal breaker for me

3/31/2011 9:21:03 PM

can anyone find any articles about marshall being an asshole and/or baggage?

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 9:23 PM. Reason : ]

3/31/2011 9:23:11 PM

^lol.. if that's all there is against him.. sign him up

3/31/2011 9:23:49 PM

^^ I doubt you'd ever see such an article. Too easy to be sued for.

3/31/2011 9:26:03 PM

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"WSU recruit Guy Alang-Ntang collapsed and died during a pickup game -- right in front of Marshall's eyes"

satan spawn

3/31/2011 9:29:31 PM

^too soon?

3/31/2011 9:31:52 PM

or a message board post or anything? it seems like everyone assumes he is an asshole/has personality issues/has baggage just because he hasn't gotten a high major job. it seems like it might be one of those things that has been repeated so much it's now considered fact.

3/31/2011 9:33:38 PM

^ i personally think if he had that personality, that would make him perfect for us

3/31/2011 9:34:38 PM

If he had that personality, I think (hope?) Yow would weed him out pretty fast.

3/31/2011 9:36:17 PM

Quote :

"Trust me I know the best person 4 the NCST job as they must hit a grand slam to hang with K & Roy! They never call me 4 advice baby! 15 minutes ago via Twitter for Android"

- Dick Vitale

QUICK GET HIM ON THE PHONE!!!1!

3/31/2011 9:42:45 PM

At the risk of repeating myself, Marshall is not good because he can't win big and he can't recruit big. Has nothing to do with his personality, ridiculous Donovan rumors, or 2 Gs in his name.

He just has a long record of not doing anything big. Who gives a fucking shit if some people think he is doing well in a bad situation? That's a low standard. He should have moved on by now. Other people in bad situations do greater things on the recruiting trail and NCAA tournaments. If Marshall has ever "overachieved," it has been on a small scale.

Marshall is a good manager of a single McDonald's restaurant. You don't hire him to run the whole corporation.

And in any case, we are a lock for Smart if we want him.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 9:47 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2011 9:46:41 PM

Dick Vitale has some coaching experience.. Just sayin..

3/31/2011 9:46:54 PM

I'd take Dick Vitale if it weren't for the fact he'd just stand on the side line and drool at coach K every time we played Duke.

3/31/2011 9:49:03 PM

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"And in any case, we are a lock for Smart if we want him."

What makes you say that? Why would he be so ready to move into a position where people turn on him if he doesn't produce? I mean, I'm sure he has heard about how our fans have treated Herb.

3/31/2011 9:52:27 PM

I'd hire dick as a coach just to not hear him announce.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 9:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2011 9:54:02 PM

Quote :

"I'd hire dick as a coach just to nit gear him announce."

3/31/2011 9:55:59 PM

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"Why would he be so ready to move into a position where people turn on him if he doesn't produce? "

I would hope these candidates think they can win here, and aren't expecting to suck. You don't think people will turn on him if he sucks at VCU?

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 9:57 PM. Reason : but seriously guys, we're getting oliver purnell.]

3/31/2011 9:56:48 PM

i don't understand what kind of results one is supposed to get coming out of a conference consisting of these schools.

Big South
Charleston Southern
Coastal Carolina
Gardner-Webb
High Point
Liberty
North Carolina-Asheville
Presbyterian
Radford
Virginia Military
Winthrop

it seems like he has witchita state on an upward trajectory and he beat some solid teams en route to an NIT championship. his team was solid statistically, didn't have any bad losses, and was the highest rated team according to the pomeroy not in the tournament (28)

3/31/2011 9:57:36 PM

i don't understand why people think wichita state was such a shithole before he got there. turgeon got them some pretty good national press, so while there may have been some depth issues that first year, recruiting shouldn't have been too hard.

if we hire marshall, we will be having another one of these threads in 4-5 years when we still haven't done jack shit and can't beat UNC or Duke. we should just hire Purnell and win the NCAA tournament.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 10:01 PM. Reason : durrrrr]

3/31/2011 10:01:19 PM

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"Lots of people on Grant's nuts and he got bitch slapped by Marshall."

Haha

I guess Alabama is a nobody too. I knew Gregg would still get hate from stupid ass TWWers even though they won.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 10:02 PM. Reason : ^For about the 10000th time he started with 5 scholarship players, its like you don't even read ]

3/31/2011 10:01:31 PM

the year turgeon left the team went 17–14, 8–10, and finished 6th in the conference. add the death of two players and you're fighting an uphill battle.

9th place year 1 no post season
5th place year 2 cbi 2nd round
2nd year 3 NIT 1st round
2nd this year NIT champs

3/31/2011 10:06:15 PM

Marshall may be a good in-game coach, but he has no experience to indicate that he can run a high-major program (and recruit the caliber of players that you need at that level).

I mean, with a guy a like Shaka Smart, you can at least point to his experience at Clemson and Florida and say that he's been around that kind of stuff, seen how guys like Billy Donovan run a program, and participated in recruiting at that level.

3/31/2011 10:06:49 PM

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"^For about the 10000th time he started with 5 scholarship players, its like you don't even read"

doesn't explain why he can't recruit worth a shit.

WSU was one of the most recognizable mid-majors when he got the job, probably 2nd to gonzaga. he should have been able to recruit pretty easily, but that did not happen.

dude needs to learn how to recruit from billy donovan or something.

3/31/2011 10:12:54 PM

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"WSU was one of the most recognizable mid-majors when he got the job, probably 2nd to gonzaga."

Wat?

3/31/2011 10:15:20 PM

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"but he has no experience to indicate that he can run a high-major program"

A 13-year track record is better experience than 2 years as a head and 1 year as an assistant at UF and 2 at Clemson. He was a major assistant for all of 3 years.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 10:17 PM. Reason : lol at Justin. Wichita was so awesome Turgeon made the NCAAs once in seven years!]

3/31/2011 10:16:31 PM

what a surprise that Herb's only remaining dick rider here is the same guy wanting to hire Herb 2.0... only with a lower ceiling than even Herb had.

3/31/2011 10:18:32 PM

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"I would hope these candidates think they can win here, and aren't expecting to suck. You don't think people will turn on him if he sucks at VCU?"

I'm sure he's expecting to put up a winning team, but if he is three years in and hasn't gotten past the sweet 16, people will be on his ass.

3/31/2011 10:19:20 PM

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"WSU was one of the most recognizable mid-majors when he got the job, probably 2nd to gonzaga."

o_0

(I really hope you dont actually think that)

3/31/2011 10:19:48 PM

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"what a surprise that Herb's only remaining dick rider here is the same guy wanting to hire Herb 2.0... only with a lower ceiling than even Herb had."

You guys are unreal. He just made a tournament run that Herb Sendek could never make.

Look at who he just beat with Wichita State. And don't even try to tell me his team has more talent.

3/31/2011 10:20:43 PM

pardon me for not giving a fuck what happens in the NIT

3/31/2011 10:21:10 PM

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"(I really hope you dont actually think that) "

it's more believable than billy donovan being interested in our coaching job.

3/31/2011 10:22:33 PM

Yeah, I'd say making it to the ACC Championship game is at least equivalent to winning the NIT and even Sid was able to do that.

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 10:23 PM. Reason : ]

3/31/2011 10:22:45 PM

Typical response. If WSU would have lost, it would have been haha look at Gregg.

3/31/2011 10:22:50 PM

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"A 13-year track record is better experience than 2 years as a head and 1 year as an assistant at UF and 2 at Clemson."

I'll take the mostly-unknown guy with the super high ceiling over the guy who is consistently mediocre.

3/31/2011 10:23:24 PM

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"WSU was one of the most recognizable mid-majors when he got the job, probably 2nd to gonzaga. he should have been able to recruit pretty easily, but that did not happen."

Dude it's Wichita State and they had a S16. Doesn't mean a flood of 4 and 5 stars were gonna be lining up to go to school there. Marshall recruited well enough to improve year after year and all those "nobodies" on the team would've beaten the ever-loving shit out of our team this year. Honestly, he would be a solid hire and would get some serious effort out of our players. I'm hoping we get him...

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"I'll take the mostly-unknown guy with the super high ceiling over the guy who is consistently mediocre."

Says Mr. "Fuck Shaka".

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ...]

3/31/2011 10:23:24 PM

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"I'll take the mostly-unknown guy with the super high ceiling over the guy who is consistently mediocre."

If we did this 5 years ago we'd have Sean Miller right now. Screw it, roll the dice.

3/31/2011 10:25:34 PM

Even the guy who's status is fuck Shaka hates Marshall.

I would love to hear how winning 29 games at a mid-major is mediocre.

You guys need to see it because there's a good chance he's going to be our coach.

Plus the man supposedly wants the job. That tells me he will do all he can to succeed.

3/31/2011 10:25:47 PM

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"Says Mr. "Fuck Shaka"."

Just because I'll take Shaka over Marshall doesn't mean he's above the Fuck You line on my list.

Quote :

"I would love to hear how winning 29 games at a mid-major is mediocre. "

168th non-conference SOS

And it's mediocre because he's in the fucking NIT

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"You guys need to see it because there's a good chance he's going to be our coach."

Yeah, I'll follow your example and support our coach no matter what.


[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 10:28 PM. Reason : ]

3/31/2011 10:26:00 PM

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"If WSU would have lost, it would have been haha look at Gregg."

yeah you're right, that's why I've said I like Grant and that he'd be a good fit for us. Because I give a shit what happens in the NIT finals

If building a resume for a potential coach centers on an awesome "run he made in the 2011 NIT" then I don't want him

3/31/2011 10:26:14 PM

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"Plus the man supposedly wants the job. That tells me he will do all he can to succeed. "

i want the job too, that tells you that i will do all i can to succeed.

hire me, i watched donovan win 2 (count them, 2) national championships!

3/31/2011 10:27:46 PM

Winning the NIT is way more impressive than anything we've done in like... 20 years. And to do it with lesser talent, beating teams that would have (and in the case of VT, did) whooped our ass this year...

3/31/2011 10:28:05 PM

i dont want to hire marshall because i dont want to see the headline "ACC fills vacancies with past 2 NIT champion coaches"

3/31/2011 10:28:29 PM

Marshall can't help his team had nearly an identical resume from an arguably better conference and couldn't get in the NCAA tournament. VCU was literally one of the four teams to get in because of the new format. If Shaka won the NIT, wouldn't you acknowledge that was an accomplishment for a mid-major?

[Edited on March 31, 2011 at 10:29 PM. Reason : Justin we are trying to have a sports conversation here bud]

3/31/2011 10:28:45 PM