Enough is enough. U.S. public support for the war in Iraq is falling and enough facts have come out now for most people to conclusively see this 'war on terror' for what it is. It is based on lies. It is a farce. It is criminal. It is tragic. Tens of thousands of young American men and women are being maimed and killed. Several Tens of thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civilians have been slaughtered. And for what? THERE ARE NO WMDs. 9/11 was an inside job. These wars are based on lies. Anyone who cares enough to take a couple hours to research the facts knows this is true.

Bush and the neocons said that Iraq would see us as 'liberators', but they see us as invaders and occupiers. How would Americans react if Russian or Chinese troops invaded and occupied the United States for over a year and a half? The war in Iraq is about control of oil, just as a primary reason for the war in Afghanistan was the contruction of an oil pipeline through the country. Iraq is not being 'liberated.' They are living under a military dictatorship. The upcoming "election" is rigged and for show.

Average Americans are being asked to send their sons and daughters to die, while the elite make billions off these wars. 9/11 gave the globalist elite the excuse to attack any country that was in the "axis of evil" or "supported terrorism." Now the justification for these wars is shifting to "spreading freedom and democracy." Bush has announced a policy of 'liberating' the entire world from tyrrany. Now, it looks like the U.S. will attack Iran or Syria next, and a military draft will become necessary (only it will probably be called something 'nicer' like "selective service").

The apathy surrounding this issue must stop. Unless something is done to put a stop to this, it could be you or someone you know or love sent to fight and die in this 'war on terror.'

Bring Our Troops Home and Send In the Neocons
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/holland8.html

sites:
http://antiwar.com/
http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/

1/27/2005 1:54:17 PM

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"9/11 was an inside job. "

Stopped reading here...how bout you guys

1/27/2005 2:00:04 PM

^ yep

1/27/2005 2:10:28 PM

Theres just so many things wrong with his post I don't know where to begin.

1/27/2005 2:13:00 PM

put up or shut up

1/27/2005 2:27:35 PM

^^^^yep same here

1/27/2005 2:34:33 PM

its like a Soap Box never-ending game..

How far into SalisburyBoy's post do we stop reading due to idiocy

1/27/2005 2:35:52 PM

personaly, I stopped reading here:

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"salisburyboy"

1/27/2005 2:47:59 PM

check out this picture i found on teh intarweb!!!!!11

1/27/2005 2:50:54 PM

that dude is fucked up in the head.

1/28/2005 12:04:33 AM

one can certainly argue the war in Iraq, but how do you argue to leave terrorists alone? theyve already proven that they will attack unprovoked. i, for one, dont think we are aggressive enough with them.

1/28/2005 3:22:52 PM

though I don't agree with everything salisbury says (i especially don't think 911 was an inside job, though I do think it's rather convenient that there was so much prior knowlege that went ignored, and I do think that alot of the stories we have from it are made up for our 'protection),

I hardly think you can say that these terrorists were 'unprovoked.' Most of them hate us because we've invaded their countries, killed their parents in front of them, destroyed their cities and access to electricity and water and basic necessities of life.

Does that make it right for them to attack us in return? Of course not - in my opinion and that of many others, retribution never helps anything, and we should just stop doing what we do to make them angry. If you really think you can argue that if we apologized for our past indiscretious and LEFT THESE NATIONS ALONE, they would forever continue to attack us, I can't imagine how you could prove that.

The least we could do is just try.

1/28/2005 3:43:03 PM

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"If you really think you can argue that if we apologized for our past indiscretious and LEFT THESE NATIONS ALONE, they would forever continue to attack us, I can't imagine how you could prove that."

we have such different approaches. see i'd say we should not apologize and lay siege to their cities, rape their women and scorch their land

then DARE them to try anything cockeyed

1/28/2005 3:46:07 PM

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"I hardly think you can say that these terrorists were 'unprovoked.' "

how was 9/11 provoked? by supporting isreal?

1/28/2005 4:22:35 PM

"No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.

The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.

The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims.

And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."-Usama bin Laden, 2/23/98

Non-sequitor: We played right into bin Laden's hands by invading Iraq.

[Edited on January 28, 2005 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ]

1/28/2005 4:43:13 PM

How so?

1/28/2005 4:57:58 PM

Well, bin Laden had been claiming for years that the United States was a colonial power and that it wanted to democratize the Muslim world and "destroy Islam," et cetera. So when the United States invaded Iraq and it became apparent that there were no WMD in Iraq, it gave credence to bin Laden's claims that we were lying and that we simply invaded Iraq to protect Israel, establish democracy, etc. So he can basically say, "see, I told you so." And after the invasion and occupation we witnessed a "recruiting bananza" for Al-Qaeda.

[Edited on January 28, 2005 at 5:07 PM. Reason : ]

1/28/2005 5:05:43 PM

and now and from here on out we will see a "bullet to the head" or a "cruise missile up the ass" for al qaeda

1/28/2005 8:22:59 PM

"The invasion of Iraq was a God send to Osama bin Laden, very literally, because it validated so much of what he has said and told Muslims. That the Americans want Arab oil. That the Americans will destroy any Muslim regime that appears to be powerful. The Americans will destroy any country that appears to be a threat to the Israelis. And they're willing to invade any Muslim country if it suits their interests. So the invasion of Iraq just validated everything he said in the past decade about the United States."-Michael Scheuer, Frontline interview

1/29/2005 1:16:44 AM

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"Tens of thousands of young American men and women are being maimed and killed."

don't count much do we now fakesteakboy?

1/29/2005 4:51:18 AM

^

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"Press Routinely Undercounts U.S. Casualties in Iraq The total number of casualties is about 25,000, plus the more than 1,200 killed. Since about 300,000 men and women have served in Iraq, it makes for a casualty rate of about 9%. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000727180"

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"...the true casualty figures of Iraq is around 6,000 servicemen killed and 48,000 wounded.Totaling 54,000.If my figures are accurate then the pentagon is only reporting,making public 20% of the casualties.Many people will state this can not be possible.They cannot hide that ammount.Vietnam was a good reflection initially 6,000 Kia were reported later that rose to 58,000 and later a further 40,000 were deemed missing in action.So if Vietnam is anything to judge,then most certainly casualty figures are manipulated for public consumption. http://iraq2005.blogspot.com/2005/01/casualty-figures.html"

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"Iraq: The Uncounted Many of those evacuated are brought to Landstuhl in Germany. Most cases are not life-threatening. In fact, some are not serious at all. But only 20 percent return to their units in Iraq. Among the 80 percent who don't return are GIs who suffered crushing bone fractures; scores of spinal injuries; heart problems by the hundreds; and a slew of psychiatric cases. None of these are included in the casualty count, leaving the true human cost of the war something of a mystery. http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/112304W.shtml"

[Edited on January 29, 2005 at 4:40 PM. Reason : `]

1/29/2005 4:19:22 PM

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"fakesteakboy"

1/29/2005 4:24:45 PM

in my opinion the world is flat, jennifer love hewitt wants my nuts and i can crap gold.

see how that works?

1/29/2005 4:30:43 PM

^



[Edited on January 29, 2005 at 6:32 PM. Reason : ]

1/29/2005 6:32:32 PM

http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm

1/31/2005 10:39:51 AM

A Nation Rocked to Sleep
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=997

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"...here is a poem by Carly Sheehan, little sister to dead American soldier Casey Sheehan: Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son? The torrential rains of a mother's weeping will never be done They call him a hero, you should be glad that he's one, but Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son? Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries? He must be brave because his boy died for another man's lies The only grief he allows himself are long, deep sighs Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries? Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave? They say that he died so that the flag will continue to wave But I believe he died because they had oil to save Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave? Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep? The leaders want to keep you numb so the pain won't be so deep But if we the people let them continue another mother will weep Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep?"

1/31/2005 10:50:42 AM

i have several family members in the military and overseas in Iraq.

one has been severely wounded, but will live, but i promise you he thinks its worth it. none of your mindless ranting or wacky websites can compare because neither you or any of them have or ever will defend this country.

1/31/2005 10:54:46 AM

^^What a shitty poem.

1/31/2005 11:13:19 AM

i know

the day poetry necessitates the dismantling of our defensive capabilities

i will kick that little girl/woman in the teeth

1/31/2005 11:16:09 AM

That kind of bothers me:

"I lost a loved one because of September 11/Afghanistan/Iraq, so I am automatically an authority on the subject."

God bless the sacrifice of their loved one, but their opinion is no better than any other person I pass on the street.

1/31/2005 11:42:30 AM

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"none of your mindless ranting or wacky websites can compare because neither you or any of them have or ever will defend this country."

So you are certain that I have never defended this country and never will? What are you? A psychic?

And this war in Iraq is somehow defending the United States? For the record, I am defending the United States. It is being attacked and Americans' liberties are being attacked. But the enemies aren't Iraqis or muslims in foreign countries. The real enemies are powerful forces exercising power over the U.S. Government behind the scenes and their lackeys, the traitors within the United States.

1/31/2005 12:20:17 PM

For the record, you really aren't defending the country. If you did more than spread conspiracy theories you might actually be doing some good. If you acted against the powerful forces exercising power over the U.S. government instead of just making as many stupid posts as you could and destroying any shred of credibility that you have left, I would have some respect for you. However, all you do is post the same crap over and over again. I can only assume that doing so makes you feel smart, maybe even superior to all of the "sheep" that surround you.

The fact is, without acting, you're doing as much good for the country as a sports fan gets online and won't shutup about how Kobe was framed.

1/31/2005 12:28:38 PM

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"So you are certain that I have never defended this country and never will? What are you? A psychic? "

i am certain.

1/31/2005 12:32:50 PM

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"If you acted against the powerful forces exercising power over the U.S. government instead of just making as many stupid posts as you could..."

Speaking out, talking to others, and posting messages over the internet IS ACTION. Maybe it's not "action" under your twisted definition of the word, but in reality, it is action.

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"...and destroying any shred of credibility that you have left, I would have some respect for you. "

I don't want respect from a person like you. It speaks well of me to have you ranting on here about how I "don't have credibility" and "don't have your respect."

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"i am certain"

And you are dead wrong.


[Edited on January 31, 2005 at 1:10 PM. Reason : `]

1/31/2005 1:05:14 PM

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"Speaking out, talking to others, and posting messages over the internet IS ACTION. Maybe it's not "action" under your twisted definition of the word, but in reality, it is action."

Actions speak louder than words. Even if you came up with your own asinine theories instead of just parroting those of others, you would have accomplished something. All that you do is find something ridiculous in some pseudo-news blog and post a link to it. It may be action in your mind, but it achieves nothing and does nothing for your "cause".

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"I don't want respect from a person like you."

Yes, respect from sane people is overrated.

[Edited on January 31, 2005 at 1:13 PM. Reason : Zionist sabotage]

1/31/2005 1:12:15 PM

what branch, unit, etc?

1/31/2005 2:32:37 PM

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=505530

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"Veterans Protest Iraqi War Former soldiers in Iraq support troop withdrawal and mass anti-war movement Monday, February 07, 2005 Two veterans of the ongoing Iraq war addressed 150 people in the Science Center Friday, criticizing the purpose and progress of the war and calling for the immediate withdrawal of American troops. “The only way you can support the troops is by demanding they be brought back now and they be given the care they deserve when they get home,” said Michael Hoffman, a former Lance Corporal in the Marines and a co-founder of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW). Hoffman and IVAW co-founder Kelly Dougherty, who was a Sergeant in the National Guard, asked the audience to follow the precedent of Vietnam protests and take to the streets en masse so American civilians and soldiers alike come to realize that it is not unpatriotic to oppose the war. “That’s what’s going to end this war—mass movement,” Hoffman said. "

2/8/2005 12:02:02 PM

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"Two veterans"

So? I'll bet that I can find at least two ncsu students who don't support the basketball team.

2/8/2005 12:06:51 PM

This war is part of a plan to ignite all out war between Muslim and Christian nations. The U.S. is employing a "blood in the streets" strategy to inflame and enrage the Muslim world. This explains the release and widespread coverage of the torture of Iraqis by U.S. troops. The U.S. military is committing atrocities against Iraqi civilians to further enrage the population (which will cause the 'resistance' to grow and the war to be drawn out and expanded).

ENRAGING 1.4 BILLION WORLDWIDE MUSLIMS -- "BLOOD IN THE STREETS" STRATEGY
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1914.cfm

Eyewitness accounts of U.S. slaughter of Fallujah citizens
http://www.rense.com/general62/subhuman.htm

2/9/2005 12:37:13 PM

^Why do only crackpot conspiracy theory pages know the real truth?

2/9/2005 1:22:08 PM

^^ that is the biggest bunch of bullshit i've ever read in my life

2/9/2005 1:33:56 PM

Not Worth My Son's Sacrifice
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/sheehan1.html

2/15/2005 8:33:42 AM

^OMFG! A woman is upset that her son died in Iraq!

2/15/2005 8:55:55 AM

after the last holy crusade, indiana jones and his father found the holy grail.

2/15/2005 9:12:01 AM

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"A woman is upset that her son died in Iraq"

That's not the point of the article. 99.9% of mothers are upset if their son or daughter is killed in war, regardless of whether or not they support the war. The point is that she is opposed to the war in Iraq.

2/15/2005 10:01:14 AM

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"The point is that she is opposed to the war in Iraq."

OMFG! People are opposed to the war?!?!

Thank you for bringing this to our attention! Alex Jones will give you a medal for your work!

2/15/2005 10:14:51 AM

The West's battle for oil
http://www.sundayherald.com/28224

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"The report is linked to a veritable who's who of US hawks, oilmen and corporate bigwigs. It was commissioned by James Baker, the former US Secretary of State under George Bush Snr, and submitted to Vice-President Dick Cheney in April 2001 -- a full five months before September 11. Yet it advocates a policy of using military force against an enemy such as Iraq to secure US access to, and control of, Middle Eastern oil fields."

Defence redefined means securing cheap energy
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/25/1040511092926.html?oneclick=true

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"Sydney Morning Herald Ritt Goldstein As troops and equipment pour into the Gulf for a looming war with Iraq, United States military thinkers admit that "defence" means protecting the circumstances of "daily life" - and in the US daily life runs on cheap oil. As far back as 1975, Henry Kissinger, then secretary of state, said America was prepared to wage war over oil. Separate plans advocating US conquest of Saudi oilfields were published in the '70s."

The stated objective is "securing oil for America's security." I think it is more accurate to say that the globalists are obtaining control over these valuable resources (but not necessarily for America's benefit or security).


[Edited on February 19, 2005 at 7:52 PM. Reason : 1]

2/19/2005 7:48:09 PM

U.S. troops have been betrayed by our government. They have been sent to invade a foreign nation in an illegal war, and sent to do so ill-equipped and without a clear mission. They are sitting ducks for Iraqi forces resisting the U.S. occupation of their country.

U.S. casualties are being vastly underreported by the Pentagon and media. On February 11, 2004 Joe Vialls reported, "According to a well-placed Pentagon source, the White House and corporate media are reporting less than half the actual American military deaths in Iraq. As of 3 February 2004, the 'official' media total stood at 528, while the real total at midnight on the same day was 1,188." (http://www.vialls.com/yourson.html). In case you think that the government couldn't or wouldn't hide casualties, the government and media also hid vast numbers of casualties during the Vietnam War.


[Edited on February 21, 2005 at 8:41 AM. Reason : ^]

2/21/2005 8:39:04 AM

Did New York Orchestrate The Asian Tsunami? This is another great article from the same site about how the Tsunami occured as a result of an American nuclear warhead at the bottom of the Sumatran Trench. (http://www.joevialls.net/subliminalsuggestion/tsunami.html) Joe Vialis is a brilliant man and we should take everything that he says as fact.

2/21/2005 10:27:23 AM

The Bush Administration's Misleading and Inaccurate Public Statements on Iraq
http://www.bushoniraq.com/

2/23/2005 12:30:38 PM