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heelfan
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Can one of the mods make a PSA reminding people to use the word "who" instead of "that" as a coordinating conjunction when they're talking about people?

It's "I hate people who smoke," not "I hate people that smoke."

3/9/2005 2:26:09 PM

FroshKiller
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Those aren't conjunctions at all, "coordinating" or not. They're pronouns introducing relative clauses, also known as relative pronouns. You can preach about grammar when you get your own under control, faggot.

[Edited on March 9, 2005 at 3:01 PM. Reason : ///]

3/9/2005 3:00:39 PM

Weeeees
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i approve...

i <3 people that correct my grammar

3/9/2005 3:02:00 PM

Aficionado
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the fact that it is a heelfan makes this pwnt so much sweeter

3/9/2005 3:47:26 PM

heelfan
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^^^I stand corrected.

http://www.uic.edu/classes/phil/phil120/handouts/paperassignment.htm

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"Use "who", not "that," as a coordinating conjunction with people; "the people who laugh" (not "the people that laugh")."

3/9/2005 4:14:23 PM

FroshKiller
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Conjunctions are for joining independent and dependent clauses, not relative ones. Words like and, but, and or are conjunctions.

[Edited on March 9, 2005 at 5:44 PM. Reason : I like how you think a philosophy assignment sheet is more credible than an English grad.]

3/9/2005 5:43:24 PM

heelfan
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wait, I wasn't citing that to vindicate myself, I think you're right...I was just showing you where I got the bad information from

3/9/2005 7:35:43 PM

NCSUGimp
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wtf gay shit is this?

3/9/2005 8:27:14 PM

StTexan
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Smoke is a clause?

5/5/2022 3:56:44 AM

The Coz
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5/5/2022 7:49:33 PM

FroshKiller
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Hi, I'm FroshKiller of 2022 here to take responsibility for my use of the F word in this thread 17 years ago.

I don't condone it. In fact, I find its use here gratuitous even by the standards of college culture in 2005 and my standards as a 23-year-old man at the time. I'm sorry if my reckless use of this word hurt you! That is a remarkably easy thing to type, almost as easy as not typing the F word at all.

I'm not sorry for being a dick to heelfan. I'm just sorry for using language that attacks what people are--what they cannot change, what they did not choose for themselves--rather than attacking how they choose to be.

Also, I actually share heelfan's distate for "that" in this case.

Note to StTexan: "Who smoke" is a restrictive relative clause. In heelfan's example, you are not saying, "I hate people." You only hate some people. Which people do you hate? People who smoke. "I hate people who smoke." In this sentence, "who" introduces the relative clause "who smoke." The antecedent of "who" is "people," thus the relative clause modifies the meaning of "people" by restricting it: people who smoke.

As a matter of taste, you may wish to avoid the use of relative clauses altogether for more direct communication: I hate smokers.

5/12/2022 8:06:50 AM

TreeTwista10
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Note to StTexan: "Who " is a restrictive relative clause. In heelfan's example, you are not saying, "I hate people." You only hate some people. Which people do you hate? People who . "I hate people who ." In this sentence, "who" introduces the relative clause "who ." The antecedent of "who" is "people," thus the relative clause modifies the meaning of "people" by restricting it: people who .

As a matter of taste, you may wish to avoid the use of relative clauses altogether for more direct communication: I hate rs.

5/25/2022 3:46:24 PM

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