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OuiJamn
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This might be old, but I couldn't find it...

I think it is crazy that student athletes be paid, but some of my coworkers were making the arguement today that they make the school so much money (i.e. football) that they should get a share of the profits... because if it weren't for them, the school wouldn't be bringing in all that cash... Also, they argued that they should get a cut of their jersey's that are sold (we all know the #24 NCSU jersey is Hodge)... I think all this would ruin college sports, but what do you guys think?

8/9/2005 5:45:52 PM

Smath74
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they do get paid via free education.

8/9/2005 5:47:21 PM

Mr. Joshua
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free education + free coed poontang

8/9/2005 5:53:13 PM

DaveOT
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Education, housing, meals, books, etc. Let's say all that adds up to maybe $60-70,000/year at a private school.

How much does the school make off a star football or basketball player?

8/9/2005 6:27:17 PM

JonHGuth
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no
but i also dont think schools should be making money off their names

8/9/2005 7:30:54 PM

PackMan92
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^

8/9/2005 7:32:16 PM

OuiJamn
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i meant paid, as in, cold hard cash, lots of it

8/9/2005 11:07:10 PM

roguewolf
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like what Roy did at Kansas?


i dont think college athletes should be paid in cash, atleast the football/basketball ones. if they are then so should players from other sports since those are the ones really busting their asses without recongition.

8/10/2005 9:36:41 AM

Sonia
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They should get $100 for every tenth of a grade point over 2.7. ;p

8/10/2005 9:38:07 AM

rudeboy
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go to the avent ferry complex and see the nice cars they're driving... they get paid

8/10/2005 9:39:06 AM

FroshKiller
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If they were really getting paid, would they be living in Avent Ferry?

8/10/2005 9:43:08 AM

kevmcd86
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if they want the equivalent of getting paid, earn a scholarship. its PAYING for your education. college athletes will never legally get handed cash.

8/10/2005 9:52:07 AM

JonHGuth
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^^ if i knew i was gonna make bank when i graduated i might finance a car zero down and shitty interest rate too

8/10/2005 9:52:46 AM

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No, because there are a thousand other kids waiting in the wings to play every sport for every college in America for free. I know that's not a just reason in itself, but it's an easy way to justify not paying college athletes.

Another problem is that they are members of a university, not a business. Pro players are paid and if they don't perform they are "fired" (usually via trade or non-extension of a contract). College players can be kicked off the team but they can't be forced to leave the university because of poor athletic performance. If they are getting paid, what happens if they don't perform to expectation? You can't kick them out of the school because they are also there to get an education. They aren't going to want to leave because they are getting paid. You can't trade them because, again, they are getting an education and another college that wants them may not be able to provide the same courses or caliber thereof.

Basically, it would create a lot of problems and conflict that the current system is not set up to handle.

8/10/2005 10:02:55 AM

McDanger
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These fuckers get their asses kissed enough as it is.

Your coworkers are idiots.

8/10/2005 10:08:46 AM

Lavim
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"These fuckers get their asses kissed enough as it is.

Your coworkers are idiots."

8/10/2005 11:35:41 AM

DaveOT
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"if they are then so should players from other sports since those are the ones really busting their asses without recongition."


The difference is that all those other sports cost the university money.

Football and basketball make money.

8/10/2005 12:23:30 PM

JonHGuth
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how much money is football making? cause they spend a shit ton

8/10/2005 12:24:46 PM

OuiJamn
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"Your coworkers are idiots."


one of them was a former collegiate basketball player... so he has a different point of view...

8/10/2005 4:59:45 PM

DaveOT
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Considering the expense issue--I was just doing some searching on this topic and found an interesting picture. This is the Texas football team's locker room:

8/10/2005 5:14:57 PM

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College Athletes should get paid. Espically since our schools sell us out to government bidders and companies that are interested in molding our talents. Why not pay the idiots too.

8/10/2005 5:20:40 PM

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^^ whoa

8/10/2005 5:21:28 PM

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" Espically since our schools sell us out to government bidders and companies that are interested in molding our talents."

Are you talking about research grants and other funding?
Or are you just paranoid? If the government cared about "molding" our talents, they'd test every pupil in 6th grade, and determine from those results what kind of education and career that kid will have.

8/12/2005 10:40:02 PM

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No.

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"they do get paid via free education."


If you play football or mens basketball...some baseball and some womens basketball players...one or two athletes from the "lesser" sports...if you play a non-revenue sport you better be smart or take out some loans...

[Edited on August 13, 2005 at 11:53 PM. Reason : add]

8/13/2005 11:51:35 PM

spookyjon
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Free education and free grades.

8/13/2005 11:53:50 PM

Josh8315
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college athlests BRING IN money

8/13/2005 11:55:44 PM

JonHGuth
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"Considering the expense issue--I was just doing some searching on this topic and found an interesting picture. This is the Texas football team's locker room:"

what else did your research turn up
i'm curious how much a football team costs

8/14/2005 12:09:10 AM

Lewizzle
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They get paid enough.

8/14/2005 10:55:06 AM

rjrumfel
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/sport/california-sb-206-ncaa-trnd/index.html

I hope the bill continues to only apply to likeness, names, etc, and not some type of payment from the university itself. I don't want one cent of tuition going to this.

But I agree, universities should not be able to license likenesses to the likes of EA and make money off of it when the students don't get any compensation.

9/30/2019 12:39:30 PM

thegoodlife3
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people deserve to be paid for the work that they do

it’s as simple as that

9/30/2019 1:05:51 PM

rjrumfel
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So do you agree or disagree with the bill as it is written?

Do you think universities owe these students more than scholarships? I'm certainly on board with these guys having agents and getting paid that way. But universities shouldn't be paying athletes to play.

9/30/2019 1:14:48 PM

thegoodlife3
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do you know how much non-tuition money universities bring in?

and how much money chairs of bowl games bring in for one game a year?

schools should absolutely pay the athletes who are responsible for bringing in tons of money.

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 1:29 PM. Reason : you can’t buy essentials with scholarships ]

9/30/2019 1:28:25 PM

HCH
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yes, they should be paid. And Payton Wilson should get a bonus for every clothesline tackle

9/30/2019 1:42:20 PM

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Can't non-athletes work for the university while on scholarship?

Like, couldn't you have a Goodnight scholarship and get a job in the library?

9/30/2019 1:49:41 PM

Dentaldamn
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The real question is.....”how much?”

9/30/2019 3:52:23 PM

rjrumfel
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Ok. Then pay them $11.50, or whatever those work-study students get paid. Pay them for their practice time, travel time, and game time.

Opens up lots of questions though. Should the amount these students get paid be the same across all sports, regardless of how much money they bring? Should a triathlete get paid as much as a football player? From what bucket do they get paid? Will tuition go up if they were to get paid? Not all sports can be paid from the proceeds they bring in.

Again, I'm ok with the bill as it is written. It should be criminal for universities to make money off of licensing a name or face of the students that play for them.

9/30/2019 4:09:13 PM

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does the backup goalie for the women's field hockey team get paid the same amount as the starting quarterback on the football team?

9/30/2019 4:10:46 PM

qntmfred
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https://www.yang2020.com/policies/ncaa-pay-athletes/

9/30/2019 4:52:12 PM

daaave
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^ from that link:

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"We should create a new type of college athlete—“Performer athlete”—who is entitled to market-based compensation. This would not affect the status of any other student-athletes nor the tax-exempt status of the university. However, each university with a “Performer athlete” would be required to start an affiliated taxable for-profit entity through which both corporate sponsorships and Performer athlete salaries would flow.

Paying athletes in certain sports would lead to more resources going to the players who are both the main attraction and putting their bodies on the line each game."


This is pretty insulting to the athletes who also put their bodies on the line but aren't the best of the best.

A better stance:
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1169991265200562176


[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 5:04 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2019 5:00:35 PM

HCH
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"The real question is.....”how much?"


Why do people make this such a complicated problem? How about we handle it like EVERY other job in the country. They get paid whatever the highest amount that someone is willing to pay them. If Clemson wants to pay Ol' Sunshine $20MM, good for them.

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"does the backup goalie for the women's field hockey team get paid the same amount as the starting quarterback on the football team?"
If Wellesley College wants to pay the backup goalie for the women's field hockey team $20MM, good for them

9/30/2019 5:08:26 PM

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Not all compensation is via wages. Paid college education is still a reasonable market-based compensation for most NCAA athletes. This allows individuals who believe their talents can demand additional compensation to pursue it. Seems reasonable to me.

9/30/2019 5:22:49 PM

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"Why do people make this such a complicated problem? How about we handle it like EVERY other job in the country. They get paid whatever the highest amount that someone is willing to pay them. If Clemson wants to pay Ol' Sunshine $20MM, good for them."


Im going to assume most "pay athlete" people will disagree with you. Thats why this is the real conversation

Why don't universities start a separate league for kids who arnt good enough for the NFL or NBA and let Chris Weinke be the commissioner?

9/30/2019 5:34:44 PM

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"Not all compensation is via wages. Paid college education is still a reasonable market-based compensation for most NCAA athletes. This allows individuals who believe their talents can demand additional compensation to pursue it. Seems reasonable to me."


Do you not believe in minimum wage?

9/30/2019 5:55:11 PM

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" Not all compensation is via wages"


[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 6:10 PM. Reason : I believe in people entering into agreements of their own will without restrictions]

9/30/2019 6:07:06 PM

daaave
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"I believe in people entering into agreements of their own will without restrictions"


Man you're not helping your case with the Yang crypto-libertarian stuff. This is straight out of Friedman's playbook.

9/30/2019 6:16:28 PM

HCH
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"Not all compensation is via wages. Paid college education is still a reasonable market-based compensation for most NCAA athletes."


Completely agree. I think most athletes will end up being paid either with a scholarship or equivalent to a scholarship. But why do we have to put up these barriers that will limit anyone getting market based compensation for anything?

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"Why don't universities start a separate league for kids who arnt good enough for the NFL or NBA and let Chris Weinke be the commissioner?"


Why would they?

9/30/2019 7:14:03 PM

qntmfred
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^^ maybe you're not helping YOUR case by dismissing reasonable ideas just because they are associated with some boogeyman label you've applied.

I'm anti-exploitation and pro-freedom of choice. If people want to get paid to play sports for a college or any other organization, there generally shouldn't be artificial barriers to that opportunity. that's the anti-exploitation. Likewise, if people want to play sports for a college or organization and don't want to get paid, or are happy to be compensated in ways other than cash, then that is there right to choose as well. that's the pro-freedom of choice.

frankly, I don't think universities should have athletic programs period. universities are for education, all this big money athletics is a distraction and a drain on public resources and attention. let people go play in professional or semi-professional leagues and make their money if they want.

but just like there's practical scenario in which the government bans and confiscates guns, I understand that people love their college sports, so I'm not proposing that we separate college athletics by force of legislation. I'm just saying "we got ourselves in this dumb situation and people generally like it, so let's at least make it fairer to those involved"

9/30/2019 8:32:44 PM

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"don't want to get paid"

10/1/2019 6:49:35 AM

wdprice3
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derp he herp

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-30/college-athlete-endorsement-deals-ncaa-california-law

10/1/2019 7:15:32 AM

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I’m fine with the the new California decision

10/1/2019 7:17:40 AM

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