abonorio All American 9344 Posts user info edit post |
I think it's gonna be close
Zach Duke (PIT) 5 - 0 record in 8 games 2.13 ERA in 52 IP 37 SO to 15 BB
or
Jeff Francoeur (ATL) .382 average in 28 games 10 doubles, 9 home runs, 26 RBI (26 RBI in 28 GAMES!) 8 outfield assists
Who else deserves mention? 8/15/2005 2:37:18 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
really clint barnes does still
he's played more than those 2 even though he's out for the year 8/15/2005 2:44:04 PM |
godzirra Veteran 116 Posts user info edit post |
Francoeur is having a great run, but if he plays in all the remaining games, that would only put him @ 72. Prolly not enough to time accumulate the numbers that voters notice. 8/15/2005 2:45:05 PM |
abonorio All American 9344 Posts user info edit post |
If Francoeur bats near .400 with 20 home runs, he'll get it. 8/15/2005 2:45:39 PM |
twolfpack3 All American 2573 Posts user info edit post |
I doubt either Francoeur or Duke will play enough. Barmes or Halsey (ARI SP) would stand better chances IMO.
I'd say Halsey.. 22GS, 8-8, 3.96 ERA & he's pitched very well the last month
[Edited on August 15, 2005 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ] 8/15/2005 2:47:23 PM |
ToiletPaper All American 11225 Posts user info edit post |
I hope Francouer gets it, I really like watchin him 8/15/2005 2:49:29 PM |
machinencsu All American 2200 Posts user info edit post |
i think it will be duke if he finishes with about 9 wins.... he has nasty stuff... and dont forget hes winning for the pirates, not an easy task 8/15/2005 2:51:37 PM |
PackMan03 All American 4594 Posts user info edit post |
dont count out Willy Taveras of Houston....he's been their catalyst all year 8/15/2005 2:53:50 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Willy Taveras HOU
~.300 ba and ~40 SB.. leadoff hitter
he played the whole year too
[Edited on August 15, 2005 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ^ beat me] 8/15/2005 2:54:06 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
francoeur already has 8 outfield assists, which is 2 less than the league leader. that should help him out some 8/15/2005 3:43:12 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
they say the sign of a weak outfield arm is the # of assists you have. the weaker the arm the more the opposition runs on you..
of course for a rook this might not be the case. 8/15/2005 3:44:26 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
i think its rather apparent he has one of the strongest arms in baseball 8/15/2005 3:45:30 PM |
ToiletPaper All American 11225 Posts user info edit post |
He nabbed Gonzales twice, and he is not a slow runner 8/15/2005 3:49:56 PM |
SuperDude All American 6922 Posts user info edit post |
he's just an untested rookie, so people are going to try and run on him. 8/15/2005 3:58:58 PM |
abonorio All American 9344 Posts user info edit post |
^No, they were legitimate shots at the plate. They werent' running just to run on the rookie. Especially after 8 assists, in 26 games, they're not gonna run just because he's a rookie.
He threw a no-hopper from right field last night to get Gonzalez out. I'm excited about this guy. He's the next Mr. Baseball for atlanta... given, sooner or later, they're going to learn how to pitch against him. But he's a rookie and he already knows how to hit against them and these veteran hurlers can't seem to get his average down to rookie status.
[Edited on August 15, 2005 at 4:03 PM. Reason : .] 8/15/2005 4:02:58 PM |
SuperDude All American 6922 Posts user info edit post |
Yes, they were good shots at the place...but the fact that he's a rookie is the reason they do it. You better believe that if it was Vlad Guerrero out there, they wouldn't be running unless they feel that his accuracy is suspect.
By now, he has a reputation for having a strong arm. Before that game, he should've had a reputation for having a strong arm. Some of the best outfielders in the game don't have a lot of assists, but in a sense, lack of assists is a sign of respect.
If a baserunner respects his arm, more often than not, the baserunner will stay at third (scenarios are a different story) 8/15/2005 4:11:13 PM |
PiratesPack Veteran 471 Posts user info edit post |
Jeff Francoeur and Zach Duke have been the best this year, but they haven't played that much. I would go with Willy Tarveras for being consistant all year, even though if Francoeur or Duke one it, it wouldn't be surprising. No other rookies have really stood out this year. 8/15/2005 4:25:10 PM |
godzirra Veteran 116 Posts user info edit post |
Some historical OF assist notes (not comprehensive):
Fewest in a season (min. 150 games: Joey Belle-1 Harmon Killebrew-1 Barry Bonds- 2 (won GG that year, '98) Lenny Dykstra-2
Fewest in a season by the leader Barry Bonds-14 (NL)
Most in a career Tris Speaker (450)
Most in a game 4 (multiple, most recent: 1928)
Most in a season Hardy Richardson-45 (in 1881)
Most seasons leading the league AL- Yaz (7) NL- Clemente (5) 8/15/2005 4:36:33 PM |
msb2ncsu All American 14033 Posts user info edit post |
You have to throw out those Bonds stats though, he was juiced. 8/15/2005 9:00:56 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Mike Jacobs, 1B NYM
AB 13 HR 4 (first person in ML history to have 4 HRs in first 4 MLB games) RBI 9 AVG .538 OBP .625 SLG 1.538 OPS 2.163 BB 3
now obviously I'm joking but GOD DAMN what a start. 8/25/2005 8:51:01 AM |
abonorio All American 9344 Posts user info edit post |
haha, a 1.5 slugging percentage... who is this kid??? 8/25/2005 8:52:49 AM |
gforce All American 2107 Posts user info edit post |
Actualy Clint Barnes is going to be back in about a week....if he can have a strong sept he should win it based on stats....if not him....Duke pitching the way he has with a weak pitt team !! 8/25/2005 10:17:41 AM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
It's got to be Willy Taveras hands down, who also has a very good arm. This is coming from a Card's fan that he should be it even though he's on a rival team. 8/25/2005 9:21:14 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
francouer will be hitting under .300 by september 8/25/2005 9:48:52 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
^^ a good arm? He has one of the weakest CF arms I've ever seen. On top of that he gets HORRIBLE jumps and plays WAY too shallow for someone who gets such shitty jumps..
I think Johnny Damon with horrible CF instincts and a weak bat (over half his hits have been IF hits it seems) when I see Taveras
[Edited on August 25, 2005 at 9:50 PM. Reason : f] 8/25/2005 9:50:06 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
i say he's otis nixon minus the range 8/25/2005 10:14:12 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Hey i didnt say great arm, just good, he threw out David Eckstein at home earlier this year. His speed makes him get to balls Francoeur cant get to. 8/25/2005 10:21:34 PM |
BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
speed doesnt make you a good fielder
vince coleman proved that
he was prolly the fastest player to play baseball, but sucked in the field 8/25/2005 10:26:32 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Roger Cedeno.
I don't care how bad Beltran's year is so far this year.. I am just glad I don't have to see the Roger Cedeno tornado in CF ever again in a Mets uniform. The customary fly ball and Roger running around in circles before it falls in. 8/25/2005 10:29:53 PM |
nolimtxholde All American 760 Posts user info edit post |
1. clint barmes
2. Quote : | "Yes, they were good shots at the place...but the fact that he's a rookie is the reason they do it. You better believe that if it was Vlad Guerrero out there, they wouldn't be running unless they feel that his accuracy is suspect." |
you can't use Vlad in your argument. you just went from what you consider an unproven rookie to a vet with a howitzer.8/26/2005 1:26:45 AM |
ncsuREMY9 All American 1805 Posts user info edit post |
Ryan Howard. 9/21/2005 10:33:37 PM |
jordanfromnj All American 1177 Posts user info edit post |
9/21/2005 10:39:00 PM |
ballingolfer Veteran 304 Posts user info edit post |
ryan howard. he's my current hero. PHIGHTIN' PHILS!!! 9/21/2005 10:42:58 PM |
Gonzo18 All American 2240 Posts user info edit post |
hopefully tonights homer will be a catalyst for his being able to hit lefties 9/21/2005 11:03:30 PM |
weinke77 Veteran 127 Posts user info edit post |
francouer will be hitting under .300 by september = false 9/22/2005 12:38:37 AM |
LetsTAILGATE All American 2331 Posts user info edit post |
super dude what the fuck are you talking about????? I am in the outfield and it doesn't matter a damn about the # of assists. To say that Jeff is being tested because he is a rookie thats the dumbest shit I have ever heard. You think that while I am running from 2nd to home I am thinking "oh he's a rookie, looks like I can go." HELL NO you aren't thinking of that at the point in time of impact moron. 9/22/2005 12:51:24 AM |
ncsuREMY9 All American 1805 Posts user info edit post |
^^^hopefully, for next year's sake anyway. i pretty much gave up hope on this season when we got swept at home by Houston a few weeks ago...playoff teams don't lose games like that in September 9/22/2005 5:53:31 AM |
john kruk All American 5325 Posts user info edit post |
announcement is this evening 11/7/2005 1:39:43 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
1. Ryan Howard 2. Willy Taveras 3. Jeff Francoeur 11/7/2005 2:15:41 PM |
aaawally Veteran 279 Posts user info edit post |
shoulda been tavaras 11/7/2005 4:10:26 PM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
announcement is tomorrow, not this evening. Houston Street won it in the AL today 11/7/2005 4:16:52 PM |
abonorio All American 9344 Posts user info edit post |
I agree. Shoulda been taveras. 11/7/2005 5:17:24 PM |
nrmiller All American 5314 Posts user info edit post |
Howard deserved it, that kid was fucking awesome 11/7/2005 5:20:36 PM |
john kruk All American 5325 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ nope, it was definitely today
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/awards/y2005/index.jsp
Street and Howard 11/7/2005 6:26:48 PM |