if it weren't for the following:

Injury risk
Herpes
Being 6'0
Inability to read defenses
Inability to see more than one receiver on a play
Forces the ball too often
Can't sell the playfake
Herpes
Fumbles a lot
Doesn't have sound QB mechanics
Is left-handed
Is black
Herpes

oh and the "Vick blood"

gg Turnip

8/24/2005 9:39:49 PM

he relies solely on raw athleticism and arm strength.

that said, i wish i had 3/4 that athleticism and arm strength

8/24/2005 9:44:10 PM

All those things hinder him in some way, but his being black is by far his biggest weakness

8/24/2005 9:46:49 PM

lol

8/24/2005 9:50:28 PM

he's the best qb in the nfl

he's not better than manning or brady

but he's the best qb in the nfl

8/24/2005 9:50:33 PM

before this thread gets too ignorant to stand

once Vick can settle himself down a little ,he'll run the NFL

other than that, his pure athleticism makes him more dangerous than 90% of the QBs in the NFL

8/24/2005 9:50:49 PM

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"that said, i wish i had 3/4 1/1000 that athleticism and arm strength"

8/24/2005 9:54:43 PM

^^bullshit

he can only run so much before someone breaks his leg again. he isn't a quarterback, he's a running back that has the ball hiked to him every play. i'd rather have peyton manning any day, any year.

[Edited on August 24, 2005 at 9:56 PM. Reason : ]

8/24/2005 9:56:22 PM

that's not in the playbook, but it should be

8/24/2005 9:59:41 PM

peyton manning is the shit, we all know this

and he wasnt included in the 90% he's better than


but he's a playmaker and revitalized the QB position into something that should be feared

You know peytons gonna throw

You can never tell with Vick

and thats the Falcons trump card

Whenever he gets his vision, he'll run the NFL, and i'd cook up the crow to pass around

8/24/2005 10:06:13 PM

What about McNabb and Culpepper?

8/24/2005 10:13:15 PM

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"Whenever he gets his vision"

that's my point. that statement should NEVER have to be made about an NFL quarterback.

8/24/2005 10:17:45 PM

^^^What makes you think he'll "get" his vision, he hasn't shown anything to indicate he will since 2002. I think there is a chance that he does improve his passing and become a decent passer, and then he will be a stud. I just happen to think that it's more likely that he doesn't come anywhere close to reaching his potential.

[Edited on August 24, 2005 at 10:18 PM. Reason : extra ^]

8/24/2005 10:18:43 PM

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"You know peytons gonna throw"

And despite that, he still can't be stopped

8/24/2005 10:40:03 PM

^^^ and ^^ get his vision, gets better whatever

stop nitpickin, you know what I mean

and you know when he becomes more proficient, he'll be great

not to mention his best reciever is fuckin brian finnerman

give a couple QBs Mannings targets, and they can put up great numbers too, cause manning sure didnt throw it from endzone to endzone

[Edited on August 24, 2005 at 10:42 PM. Reason : ^ yea he can be stopped, its called "the playoffs" ]

8/24/2005 10:42:02 PM

It's hilarious how you ignorant fucks love to bash Vick when he's taken a mediocre offense to the playoffs in his only two seasons of active play. His offensive line has been pretty awful, his receiving corps has been average and he's learning a new offensive system.

He's a young, talented, playmaking quarterback that any GM would snatch up in an instant. Once he gets any protection and some talented wideouts, it's over for the NFC.

8/24/2005 10:42:18 PM

what the fuck.

you are questioning the almighty vitka?

8/24/2005 10:47:02 PM

its never good when your TE is your leading reciever, he cant keep winning like that

8/24/2005 11:10:09 PM

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"ignorant fucks"

Ignorant is ignoring his injury risk, the fact that he is short and cannot see the field from the pocket as consistently as taller QBs, the fact that he struggles to read defenses, the fact that he locks on to receivers on almost every passing play...never being able to find the other receivers, the fact that he can't sell a playfake, the fact that he carries the ball like a loaf of bread, and the fact that he doesn't seem to have any consistent touch (Lots of overthrows, but also lots of passes 5 yards behind receivers.)

He can improve some aspects of his game, but the Falcons got to the playoffs last year in spite of having Vick at QB.

8/24/2005 11:17:41 PM

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"It's hilarious how you ignorant fucks love to bash Vick when he's taken a mediocre offense to the playoffs in his only two seasons of active play."

No, the rest of the teams in the NFC took his mediocre offense to the playoffs. Vick's Falcons would get their ass handed to them in any AFC division.

8/24/2005 11:19:12 PM

vick is awful, sure he can run, but you cant win without a passing game........he is the most overrated/hyped player ever

8/24/2005 11:21:33 PM

last year vinny testaverde threw more touchdown passes than vick, and kyle boller threw fewer interceptions

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8/24/2005 11:36:57 PM

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"its never good when your TE is your leading reciever, he cant keep winning like that"

worked for the Panthers in 1996 (12-4, lost in the NFC Championship Game)

Wesley Walls: 61 rec
Mark Carrier: 58 rec
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car1996.htm

[Edited on August 24, 2005 at 11:44 PM. Reason : link]

8/24/2005 11:44:14 PM

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"He can improve some aspects of his game, but the Falcons got to the playoffs last year in spite of having Vick at QB."

You may as well stop posting in this thread because you have zero credibility left.

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"last year vinny testaverde threw more touchdown passes than vick, and kyle boller threw fewer interceptions"

Yeah, and they played well in the playoffs as well, didn't they? Oh, wait...

My guess is, you're still mad about Roethlisberger choking in the playoffs last year after all that shit you talked and you're still trying to vent some of that excess hate.

8/24/2005 11:45:11 PM

i'm not mad about roethlisberger choking in the playoffs. they had an awesome year last year with him, and i'm looking forward to years to come. roethlisberger ran out of gas at the end of the year. the guy was a rookie and he went 15-1 in the regular season. i like our chances in the future.

and the fact that the steelers didn't make it past the afc championship game doesnt change anything about vick not being a good quarterback.

8/24/2005 11:51:38 PM

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"You may as well stop posting in this thread because you have zero credibility left."

PLEASE watch Vick play, you'll see what I'm talking about. Lay off sucking Vick's cock though, he has herpes. Actually, you probably don't believe anything involving the whole "Ron Mexico" story either.

8/24/2005 11:51:53 PM

hahah the Ron Mexico shit made me even MORE of a Vick fan

i think alot of the Vick hate lies in that the panthers can't beat him..i think like once in the last 6 meetings, something like that


but i'ma fucks fan so I cant say much

8/25/2005 12:06:37 AM

i hate vick cus he made my packers look stupid in the playoffs a few years back, oh yeah and he is a shitty QB.

8/25/2005 12:10:20 AM

if people quit calling him a great qb

and called him one of the best athletes in football

would the hate stop?

8/25/2005 12:12:34 AM

^Actually the one game the Panthers did beat Atlanta 2 seasons ago was when Vick was out, Vick has never lost to the Panthers when he has started. But HOPEFULLY that'll change this year.

Vick has one of the strongest arms in the league, he has a crap OL so he HAS to scramble around but that plays into his abilities so it works, he actually tends to throw better on the run anyway. He has a decent running game helping him and a load of WR's that are decent at best.

All you people saying Vick can't hold Manning's jock, just let them switch teams for ONE game and you'll see how big of a difference it would be. Manning would be DESTROYED if he was on the Falcons, he wouldn't have a pocket to sit in, he wouldn't have a good running game to fall back on, and he wouldn't have a very talented WR core to throw to.

That being said I'm not saying Manning isn't one of the top 2-3 QB's in the league because of course he is, but a lot of his success has to do with the people surrounding him, he can't scramble, everyone knows that, so he has to depend on that line to give him a few seconds to scan the D, and not many are better at scanning/reading a defense than he is...except in the playoffs at Foxboro where he apparently forgets his teams colors or something.

Vick will never be a pocket-passer, and he doesn't have to be to be a good QB. McNabb, Culpepper, Cunningham, all these guys weren't your prototypical QB's and they have all had various levels of success. Watching the QB's in college now, I wouldn't be suprised if more of an emphasis isn't put on the QB having decent speed to back up his arm and mechanics.

[Edited on August 25, 2005 at 12:21 AM. Reason : .]

8/25/2005 12:19:31 AM

^^yes, the hate would stop. mine doesn't come from being a panthers fan, because I"m not a panthers fan. my "hate" comes from the constant media praise he gets. It's like he graduated from UNC or something

8/25/2005 12:28:08 AM

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" I wouldn't be suprised if more of an emphasis isn't put on the QB having decent speed to back up his arm and mechanics."

exactly, he changed the way people look at the QB position

8/25/2005 12:37:34 AM

Hello

8/25/2005 12:45:42 AM

yo lipka whats up

8/25/2005 12:47:01 AM

I rocked his jersey today.

That is all.

8/25/2005 12:52:00 AM

yeah vick has a strong arm, giving him the ability to overthrow his receivers 20 yards further than any other quarterback in the NFL

8/25/2005 12:55:59 AM

Wow, jealousy abounds in the Vick threads.

Of course, I wouldn't expect anything else from bitter Panthers and Steelers fans.

8/25/2005 1:01:04 AM

jealousy has nothing to do with it. who the fuck wouldn't want to play in the NFL and get paid 100 million dollars to do it?

you could say i was jealous of any player on a roster in the NFL. that has absolutely nothing to do with my opinions about players and their abilities.

8/25/2005 1:07:12 AM

point <----------












----------> you

8/25/2005 1:12:05 AM

ok answer this for me then. vick threw less touchdowns than testaverde, more interceptions than boller, and rushed for 900 yards. What about all that is so great?

with vick it's like having two running backs on the field. and it isn't "oh you never know when he's gonna run", it's more like "oh you never know when he's gonna complete a pass".

vick is probably the best athlete in the NFL, but i think he lacks certain necessities to ever be considered a great quarterback.

he has lots of great qualites, but none of them have to do with playing quarterback. he's a huge draw for the falcons organization. they make millions off of people that just come to see him play. it's fun to play as him in video games, occasionally. but none of that stuff makes him a good quarterback.

8/25/2005 1:30:38 AM

Jesus Christ, it's not that fucking hard.

What is the number one thing you want from your quarterback? You want him to win. Michael Vick wins football games. In his two NFL seasons of play, he has taken a decent team to the playoffs twice, winning a playoff game each season. He was also a Pro Bowl selection each season. He does all of this with a SHIT offensive line in a division that is stacked with defense.

There aren't many QB's that could accomplish in Atlanta what Vick has accomplished.

8/25/2005 1:47:00 AM

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"he isn't a quarterback, he's a running back that has the ball hiked to him every play. i'd rather have peyton manning any day, any year"

manning and the colts could beat philly...the reason atlanta couldnt beat philly last year is because VICK CANT PASS...vick is a great athlete...right up there at #1 in the NFL with Peppers and maybe a couple others...but hes not a good passer...you cant deny that...if the Falcons had Manning and Vick could line up at RB they would have won the SB last year...but alas Vick cant pass...granted he OWNS the Panthers...no disputing there...just like the Panthers own the Bucks and the Bucks own the Falcons...but Vick cant pass...if you think Vick CAN pass...you are a naive idiot...cause he cant pass...and everybody knows that...thats one of the main reasons he couldnt beat Philly last year...he is too one-dimensional...and for the Panthers sake...good thing he cant learn how to pass...he's just a crazily talented athlete

8/25/2005 2:08:08 AM

Whoever thought the day would come in the NFL when a quarterback that couldn't pass would lead his team to the playoffs every season he played?

Amazing.

8/25/2005 2:16:36 AM

there are certainly other positions on the team besides QB


in fact, I hear that the falcons have a defense

8/25/2005 2:30:54 AM

I agree Lil G.

8/25/2005 7:03:47 AM

He did no leading. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. The Falcons won on their #1 rushing attack (improved by Vick's running of course), and their defense.

[Edited on August 25, 2005 at 7:27 AM. Reason : k]

8/25/2005 7:27:01 AM

oh and did i mention they were in the NFC

8/25/2005 8:12:27 AM

Vick creates the greatest error a quarterback could ever create.

He turns his back on his wide outs on a consistent basis..

no good quarterback ever does this.

8/25/2005 8:22:34 AM

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"It's hilarious how you ignorant fucks love to bash Vick when he's taken a mediocre offense to the playoffs in his only two seasons of active play. His offensive line has been pretty awful, his receiving corps has been average and he's learning a new offensive system. He's a young, talented, playmaking quarterback that any GM would snatch up in an instant. Once he gets any protection and some talented wideouts, it's over for the NFC."

It's hard for an offensive line to protect the quarterback when they have no idea where he'll be at any given moment. His unpredictability/scrambling hurts his own o-line as much as it hurts opposing defenses. The Falcons line looks pretty good when blocking for designed running plays.

Wideouts are only as good as the guy throwing the ball to them.

Vick has played with at least average talent at both of these positions, plus solid running backs. He is the leader of the team. Unless he makes his teammates better, he'll be a flashy player and a tough matchup that will never lead his team to win anything significant.

8/25/2005 8:44:29 AM

Vick can only get you so far...if you want to win the Superbowl instead of just bragging about making the playoffs...your QB needs to be able to pass...plus the Falcons have a great running game and defense...but everybody hypes up Vick so damn much...OMG A HALFBACK THAT CAN THROW AVERAGE AS FAR AS HALFBACKS ARE CONCERNED...fuck that...put LT at QB over Brees and watch him do the same shit...HI IM MANUTE BOL...IM A CENTER THAT CAN SHOOT 3'S WHICH IS UNCONVENTIONAL...I LED MY TEAM TO MANY NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS...overhyped vick...if Vick was on the Panthers he would line up beside or behind Delhomme...quote that shit bitch

8/25/2005 9:33:33 AM