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"LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A leading British scientist said on Friday the growing ferocity of hurricanes hitting the United States was very probably caused by global warming and criticized what he termed U.S. "climate loonies" over the issue. Sir John Lawton, chairman of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution which advises the government, made what the Independent newspaper said was a thinly disguised attack on the stance of U.S. President George W. Bush's administration. "The increased intensity of these kinds of extreme storms is very likely to be due to global warming," Lawton told the newspaper in an interview. "If this makes the climate loonies in the States realize we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation," said Lawton."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/23/climate.scientist.reut/

9/23/2005 10:28:05 AM

SCIENTISTS HATE OUR FREEDOMS

9/23/2005 10:39:58 AM

I enjoy how these "scientists" use phrases like, "very likely" and then go on to speak as though there was emperical evidence to support their point of view.

9/23/2005 10:51:02 AM

If they had emperical evidence proving it, they'd say

"The increased intensity of these kinds of extreme storms is very likely to be due to global warming"

But how dare they say it's very likely, given the wealth of evidence saying otherwise.

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2005 10:54:37 AM

Oh i forgot that we're the only country on the planet that pollutes...so once again, America is responsible for the world's problems.

9/23/2005 10:55:43 AM

Global warming sure was responsible for the 1900 Galveston, TX hurricane...I mean there MUST have been global warming to create such a big hurricane...it couldnt just be, I dunno, the Earth

9/23/2005 10:56:33 AM

Scientists can't say one action 100% causes another.

9/23/2005 11:00:44 AM

^^ way to ignore their point, chief.

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2005 11:01:24 AM

statements like the original post breed ignorance

9/23/2005 11:01:33 AM

GLOBAL WARMING DOES NOT EXIST


INTELLIGENT HEATING DOES

9/23/2005 11:04:49 AM

^^^their point? dont you think global warming is not DEFINITE one way or the other...it doesn DEFINITELY exist and it doesnt DEFINITELY NOT exist? can you not agree with that considering half of scientists believe in it and half dont but most of those in both groups know theres not enough evidence to support it?

OMG EARTH IS 2.5 BILLION YEARS OLD WE KNOW SO MUCH FROM OBSERVING TEMPERATURES FOR 100 YEARS

9/23/2005 11:10:16 AM

I DON'T SEE ANY OF THIS SUPPOSED "ENERGY" THAT THE JUNK SCIENTISTS WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE IS HEATING THE EARTH.

AFTERALL, ISN'T "ENERGY" JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR GOD?



[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2005 11:12:37 AM

Current me if I'm wrong with accurate statistics but I do remember that every NPR report concerning global warming began with "a majority of scientist believe..." and included "a strong correlation between global warming and aggressive storms."

9/23/2005 11:13:24 AM

so the US causes Global Warming

evidence of this is that hurricanes are attacking us

thus we are the terrorists against the weather

and Mother Nature ordered her troops to attack us

9/23/2005 11:13:32 AM

science is falliable

thats why science rules

9/23/2005 11:13:56 AM

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"considering half of scientists believe in it and half dont"

roflcopter

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"OMG EARTH IS 2.5 BILLION YEARS OLD WE KNOW SO MUCH FROM OBSERVING TEMPERATURES FOR 100 YEARS"

plz to read up on glacial core samples, k?

9/23/2005 11:15:22 AM

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"Current me if I'm wrong with accurate statistics but I do remember that every NPR report concerning global warming began with "a majority of scientist believe..." and included "a strong correlation between global warming and aggressive storms.""

a majority of scientists THAT WE ASKED believe

its still up in the air...some believe in it and say human gas emissions have caused higher temperatures

some dont believe in it and think its natural earth cycles citing that we dont have enough records to make a fair assessment

one thing should be certain for any inquiring openminded person...it may or may not exist, but we dont know yet...

^lol at the faggot history major trying to preach science to me

9/23/2005 11:16:00 AM

Its ok though.

I don't mind the fact that I'll be able to walk to the beach from EBII.

9/23/2005 11:16:32 AM

i'd like to reiterate

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"SCIENTISTS HATE OUR FREEDOMS"

9/23/2005 11:16:43 AM

that shit is weak.....i thought global warning was a long-term kind of issue that took a while to really take effect. But now a president's policies cause an abundance of hurricanes the within a four-year term? I don't really buy that shit at all, regardless of my stance on bush's administrative prowess.

9/23/2005 11:16:47 AM

the democrats wanted to blame bush for the hurricane and all the ills of it...i mean, thats their job...its a gay job but thats what they do...both parties do it...try to make the other party look bad...thats why politics and the soap box and most of you jackasses are so retarded

9/23/2005 11:18:29 AM

Nobody is arguing that his 4 year term caused global warming. I mean there's plenty of other things he's botched to point out.

What we're omfgrofflcopter about is the insistence and abuse of science by the administration, and to be honest by the left as well, that allow people like pryderi and treetwistah to make weak sauce arguments.

9/23/2005 11:19:17 AM

plz to not lump all of us in the same category as Bush haters such as pryderi

9/23/2005 11:19:23 AM

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"lol at the faggot history major trying to preach science to me"

aww, you checked my profile

9/23/2005 11:22:03 AM

yeah well i already got a degree in marine sciences...i think i might know a little something about it...especially when my whole posts about global warming didnt support either side...i simply stated the fact that we dont know whether it does or does not exist...but nobody is gonna listen to you when you're neutral and non-biased

9/23/2005 11:26:10 AM

i was referring to the initial thread, not what was said after it. Everyone knows statistics can say whatever you want them to.

9/23/2005 11:29:42 AM

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"Max Mayfield told a congressional panel that he believes the Atlantic Ocean is in a cycle of increased hurricane activity that parallels an increase that started in the 1940s and ended in the 1960s. The ensuing lull lasted until 1995, then "it's like somebody threw a switch," Mayfield said. The number and power of hurricanes increased dramatically. Under questioning by members of the Senate Commerce subcommittee on disaster prevention and prediction, he shrugged off the notion that global warming played a role, saying instead it was a natural cycle in the Atlantic Ocean that fluctuates every 25 to 40 years."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=44499

I think the head of the hurricane center knows more about atlantic hurricanes than some brit

9/23/2005 11:30:08 AM

OH IM A MIGHTY HUMAN I CAN DECIPHER COMPLEX 45 YEAR CYCLES EVEN THOUGH I'LL DIE BEFORE I'M 90 YEARS OLD YES WE SURE HAVE A GRASP ON SCIENCE

9/23/2005 11:33:47 AM

"global warming" is very probably caused by a high level of solar activity over the current 11-year solar cycle. Coronal mass ejections have been occuring much more often and have been much more extreme than in past cycles. Our planet travels through that shit. It heats us up. Get over it.

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"that parallels an increase that started in the 1940s and ended in the 1960s."

two active cycles back to back, I am going to try to find some data on that

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2005 11:35:25 AM

^^^He's talking about frequency. Of course the small temperature change isn't going to create a hurricane out of the blue.

The London scientist was talking about ferocity:

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"A leading British scientist said on Friday the growing ferocity of hurricanes hitting the United States was very probably caused by global warming"

I don't think anyone will argue that increased temps > increased water temps /= increased hurricane strength.

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2005 11:37:30 AM

^no nobody will argue that...the thing people argue is what caused high temperatures? natural cycles or more emissions? its almost like the "music and video games cause violence" argument when you say global warming causes hurricanes...was there violence/hurricanes before music and video games / anthropomorphic emissions?

9/23/2005 11:48:05 AM

You're acting as if we have no clue if we're responsible.

Records show a strong correlation between increased greenhouse gases and increased temperatures. We also know that we're responsible for huuuuge increases in greanhouse gases. It just so happens that temperatures are increasing at a rate uncharacteristic of natural ups and downs.

True. It's only a correlation.

But wouldn't you say it's a mighty convincing one?

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2005 11:53:07 AM

NASA has also found recent increases in Greenhouse gases on Mars and global warming on that planet

9/23/2005 12:00:08 PM

^then explain the massive amounts of greenhouse gases emitted by major volcanic eruptions. Much more gas than humans have ever been responsible for.

9/23/2005 12:00:25 PM

^ I've been responsible for a lot of gas.

9/23/2005 12:01:16 PM

a "minor" eruption emits more greenhouse gases than the entire human history, volcanos also emit water vapor which has a much larger absorption spectrum than CO2

9/23/2005 12:02:54 PM

^ wrong

http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html

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"Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times."

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"Volcanoes and other natural processes release approximately 24 Tg of sulfur to the atmosphere each year. Thus, volcanoes are responsible for 43% of the total natural S flux each year. Man's activities add about 79 Tg sulfur to the atmosphere each year. In an average year, volcanoes release only 13% of the sulfur added to the atmosphere compared to anthropogenic sources."

Even if you weren't wrong. 5lbs can tip a scale with 100lbs on each side, no?

9/23/2005 12:16:04 PM

scientist must be really dumb

if all this gobal warming stuff is a myth

9/23/2005 12:23:53 PM

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"It just so happens that temperatures are increasing at a rate uncharacteristic of natural ups and downs."

uncharacteristic of natural ups and downs? how the hell do you figure that? how do you know what the natural ups and downs of temperatures are on this planets multi-billion year history? you dont...neither do i...neither do scientists

9/23/2005 12:34:42 PM

yeah, scientists are dumb

9/23/2005 12:35:44 PM

no, its just the job of scientists is to gather data, analyze it, and draw the best conclusion...people get pissed at scientists for not being able to give exact concrete proof of things...well its pretty tough to do

9/23/2005 12:43:45 PM

scientists arent dumb.

they are fucking funded by dumb people.

like environmentalists and big business folk.

So to keep their funding. They go from inconclusive to 'very likely' or 'heavy coorelations'



global warming exists. we are emitting more CO2 now than ever before.

The fucking question is whether it fucking matters or not. THAT is what is up in the air.

If the atmosphere were a football field, 100 yards long, one inch would be CO2. All well and good, too bad we dont know how much that matters.

9/23/2005 1:52:42 PM

They say stuff like that because its a matter of scientific inquiry.

Regardless of who funds science, all respectable work is peer reviewed and rest assured other scientists are far more critical then any republican or democractic politician.

9/23/2005 1:54:41 PM

peer reviewed by who?

other scientists who wish to keep their funding

9/23/2005 1:58:45 PM

it's t3h phLlnd1ng k0n$p1r4c33!!!

9/23/2005 2:00:44 PM

no conspiracy

just common fucking sense

9/23/2005 2:06:19 PM

my "common sense" regularly informs me that "t3h j00s" rule the known world via some form of shadow government

9/23/2005 2:08:03 PM

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" global warming exists. we are emitting more CO2 now than ever before. The fucking question is whether it fucking matters or not. THAT is what is up in the air."

agreed.

I would argue that even if we don't know that it matters, it's best to be on the safe side.

9/23/2005 2:08:44 PM

I absolutely agree.

Alternative fuels are a must. Being more efficient is always a better idea, in everything we do.

^^ my 'common sense' tells me youre a fucking idiot.

my common fucking sense says it isnt a hard coorelation to see that people with teh $$ can/do have an impact.

[Edited on September 23, 2005 at 2:12 PM. Reason : *]

9/23/2005 2:11:29 PM

Lokken, Scientists are funded by a variety of different organizations from Universities, to Private and Government agencies, to foundations and trust funds.

So varied in fact that you don't have any 'one' organization dominating the peer review of a given paper. You're right in that there are people funding very bad science, but science as a whole is pretty unbiased.

9/23/2005 2:16:43 PM