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"From a report by the Washington Post's Alan Cooperman: The agency said the new document would indicate that men with homosexual tendencies shouldn't be ordained even if they are celibate "because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers." In an apparently new element, the agency said the document would also say that already ordained priests, if they have homosexual tendencies, would be "strongly urged to renew their dedication to chastity and a manner of life appropriate to the priesthood." The American prelate overseeing the evaluations, Archbishop Edwin O'Brien, said earlier this month that most gay candidates for the priesthood struggle to remain celibate and the church must "stay on the safe side" by restricting their enrollment. He stressed that the church was not "hounding" gays out of the priesthood, but wants to enroll seminarians who can maintain their vows of celibacy. The document has been controversial from the start, and there had been speculation that it may never be released because of its sensitive nature. Some priests have said the document is sorely needed. Others say it will do more harm than good, antagonizing existing homosexual priests and driving others underground."

Now, I'm not going to post this salisbury style and act like it's definitely true because someone said it, but I do think that considering the pedophilia cases, the entire church should be investigated, and every single hypocrite in the church's power structure should be "outed." This goes for homosexual, non-celibate, etc cardinals and priests. Oh, and especially the pope.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/22/AR2005092200381.html?sub=AR


http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000960.html

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"I visited the Vatican in early August and met a person who is deeply "embedded" in the world of those who run Vatican City and who govern the global machinery of the Catholic Church. According to this person's estimation, he guesses that a "conservative estimate" of those cardinals and senior church officials who are gay is about 50%. Practicing, as opposed to just flirtatious, homosexuals at the highest levels of the church are probably about 30%. When I asked whether homosexuals would be better served under Pope Benedict XVI than under John Paul II, he responded, "Don't think that we will be any better served under a gay pope than a straight one." While there wasn't much love lost between Pope John Paul II and the homosexual community, John Paul didn't spend his every waking moment thinking about how to screw over the gay community. This very-connected individual I got to know in Italy had a different view (let's just leave it at that) of Benedict XVI. But here's the deal. The Vatican is now readying a new policy on gay priests -- working harder to ban them before ordination and pretty much symbolically lumping in predatory pedophiles with those who are gay -- which I find outrageous."

Steve clemmons says , and I agree with him,

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"I am generally opposed to "outing" those who are homosexual unless they are engaged in political activity that helps to repress others in society who are also gay. I really do think that it is time to OUT specific cardinals and other senior church officials who contribute to this policy. Vatican City is a recognized city state -- and thus is subject as well to the currents of politics. It is time that some of the currents ran back against this bigoted policy. "

Yes, this type of thing requires an investigation. When investigating a conspiracy, you investigate everyone. Just because catholics think the guy's infallible doesn't mean he is, and besides, he only became infallible once he became pope, right?

http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/A_003_Galileo.html

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" In a speech delivered in Parma, Italy, March 15, 1990, even Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger endorsed the opinion of philosopher P. Feyerabend against Galileo. Ratzinger stated: “At the time of Galileo the Church remained much more faithful to reason than Galileo himself. The process against Galileo was reasonable and just” (17). "

Can we really trust a man who would say something like that, coupled with everything else in his shady past?

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"There is no evidence about Ratzinger's sexual proclivities; however, in 2001 he signed an order requiring churches to keep secret charges of sexual molestation. You can find that easily with a search. Here is one reference:"

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/4/19/184327/493

My apologies to anyone who's offended by this. Really. However, this needs some study.

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[Edited on September 26, 2005 at 10:21 AM. Reason : ,]

9/26/2005 10:13:07 AM

why does this need to be looked into

dude has a mandate from God and his church

and he is supposed to remain celebate
that means no sex, man boy woman dog
nothing

so it shouldn't matter if he likes men more

9/26/2005 10:27:01 AM

it wouldn't, if he didn't say that homosexuals were evil.

as it stands, he does, so it does matter. alot.

If the person running a world-wide organization like the catholic church demonizes a group of people, and it turns out that he is infact one of them, that's hypocrisy in its rawest form.

again:

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""I am generally opposed to "outing" those who are homosexual unless they are engaged in political activity that helps to repress others in society who are also gay. "

9/26/2005 10:30:24 AM

how can you be a homo or hetero sexual when you are, in simple terms, asexual

9/26/2005 11:01:28 AM

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"and he is supposed to remain celebate "

key words are SUPPOSED TO

i dont want to start catholic bashing, but i think there have been some priests and other high ranking church people who have molested some kids...i dont think all the rumors are made up

9/26/2005 11:07:21 AM

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" so it shouldn't matter if he likes men more"

they are about to prevent homosexuals from becoming preists
apparently the sin isnt acting on your homosexuality its being homosexual

who knew

9/26/2005 11:27:30 AM

but how would the church know

BREAK OUT THE HOLY ROMAN GAYDAR

9/26/2005 2:00:17 PM

with a name like Benedict he's gotta be gay

as long as he's not gangsta, like Terry Benedict of Oceans 11

9/26/2005 2:02:35 PM

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"He stressed that the church was not "hounding" gays out of the priesthood, but wants to enroll seminarians who can maintain their vows of celibacy."

its easier for straight priests to stay celibate because their aren't choir girls, i suppose

9/26/2005 2:03:58 PM

remember that show "Soul Man" w/ Dan Akroyd

that was pretty gay

9/26/2005 2:58:40 PM

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"they are about to prevent homosexuals from becoming preists apparently the sin isnt acting on your homosexuality its being homosexual"

don't they saying "practicing homosexual" a lot of the time?

9/26/2005 3:29:36 PM

not anymore

9/26/2005 3:42:30 PM

really?

I guess things are flying past me

9/26/2005 3:45:30 PM

He's a catholic priest, he's made a vow never to have sex with a woman for the rest of his life. What would give you the crazy idea that he is STRIAGHT?

9/26/2005 4:23:10 PM

i guess there are a lot of lesbian nuns out there.

9/27/2005 8:36:29 AM

The entire vatican (sp?) should be ousted.

9/27/2005 8:50:02 AM

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"i guess there are a lot of lesbian nuns out there."

Yeah, either lesbians or ugly.

9/27/2005 11:15:16 AM

[Edited on October 5, 2005 at 4:20 PM. Reason : wrong thread]

10/5/2005 4:12:22 PM

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"remember that show "Soul Man" w/ Dan Akroyd that was pretty gay"

10/5/2005 4:14:42 PM