ok, i'm don't want people to come in here and be like "JESUS IS A LOGICAL FALLACY@!! OMFG JESUS IS FAKE!!! OMFG RELIGION IS STUPID!!!!" but I know some people will...

anyway, I was thinking briefly today about the good ol' ad hominem to quoque today, and in the process, my mind stumbled across an example where maybe Jesus used it. Thus, I'm kind of wondering what yall think, outside of the "OMFG JESUS IS ALL FAKE!!!" perspective.

Anyway, the scenario is the passage where the people come up and ask Jesus what they should do with a married woman who was found canoodlin with a man who wasn't her husband. His response was "whoever has no sin can cast the first stone."

Is that tu quoque?

10/9/2005 9:34:26 PM

I don't think so.

although he did change the subject to include a question of everyone elses guilt, he didn't do it just for the purpose of changing the subject to avoid the situation... he did it to teach the people that it was not their place to judge and punish her.

10/9/2005 9:53:02 PM

quoque
who the fuck says that

10/9/2005 9:55:37 PM

i know for a fact that romans did!

10/9/2005 10:04:42 PM

so you were there
when they were talking
and heard them
cause if not you dont really

10/9/2005 10:13:20 PM

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"i know for a fact that romans did!"

link plz

10/9/2005 10:19:58 PM

"man who wasn't her husband" probably refers to Jesus. I mean, he was hanging out with hookers. I'd be saying "c'mon, who hasn't sinned?" too.

10/9/2005 10:30:00 PM

good point

10/9/2005 10:33:11 PM

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"good point "

link plz

10/9/2005 10:36:21 PM

Last I checked Jesus and God have never sinned

10/9/2005 11:54:43 PM

Last I checked the whole religion is a myth.

10/10/2005 12:16:32 AM

^are you sure you checked?

10/10/2005 12:31:18 AM

Yep. You want me to check again?

10/10/2005 12:33:10 AM

I want you to keep checking until you change your mind, cause you aren't leaving your room till you do.

10/10/2005 12:46:01 AM

are you checkin?

10/10/2005 12:47:55 AM

Yeah, I've been checking. So far, nothing's changed.

10/10/2005 1:04:33 AM

God himself just told me Christianity was complete BS.

10/10/2005 1:08:09 AM

yo, allah just phoned me and he told me that jesus said "anyone without sin, but me can throw the first stone"

10/10/2005 2:03:56 AM

last time i checked, quoque simply meant "too" to the romans. we've attached more meaning to it in philosophy these days.

10/10/2005 2:12:24 AM

Quoquesucker.

10/10/2005 2:37:32 AM

Last I checked Jesus and God have never sinned together

meaning they haven't doubled upon anyone. God did however impregnate the virgin Mary, a married woman. I'm pretty sure it's a sin when you impregnate a married woman, that is, if you're not the one married to her. Especially if you do it against her will or without prior consent.

10/10/2005 10:39:25 AM

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"God did however impregnate the virgin Mary, a married woman."

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHH! WRONG. Mary was NOT married when she was impregnated. Furthermore, its not really a sin to impregnate a married woman if you are not the husband. Its a sin to have sex with a married woman if you are not the husband, and while generally impregnation occurs from sexual intercourse, it is not a requirement, especially for a deity.

10/10/2005 11:03:13 AM

I"m sure he asked first. Hell, I'm sure he seduced her first. I bet her husband watched!

Good Heavens, so much blasphemy!!!

10/10/2005 11:15:31 AM

ad hominem and the like are for use in a debate of some sort, any sort. Jeasus was a religous leader, crazy man, whatever, i'm not totally sure, but in my mind he's in the same class of historical figures of Mohamad, Budah, and the ancient Zen masters.

you wana talk ad hominem, read some of the ancient koans, if the zen master responds, he'll most likely say something that hasn't the slightest relation to anything or hit you with a stick.

10/10/2005 12:18:56 PM

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"Mary was NOT married when she was impregnated."

Technically, you just called Jesus a bastard.

So Mary was all like "yea, uh, I swear I'm a virgin. It must have been god that impregnated me. Wanna get married?" and Joseph said yes?!? Oh man, what a mark. That's the kind of person you could get to PAY you to sleep in your barn. I could see how if they were already married he might not want to look like he was getting cuckolded and so would have gone along with it.

10/10/2005 1:55:25 PM

5th grade health class: you need SPERM to make a BABY

10/10/2005 8:11:57 PM

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"yo, allah just phoned me and he told me that jesus said "anyone without sin, but me can throw the first stone""

oh fuck, that's hilarious

10/10/2005 8:18:23 PM

Who here can honestly say they wouldn't fuck God?

10/10/2005 10:33:43 PM