gg mr. rove

-obstruction of justice,
-making false statements
-perjury

others

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9837835/

faces 30 years in prison

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 1:00 PM. Reason : -]

10/28/2005 12:55:56 PM

Bush will pull a Clinton

10/28/2005 1:04:10 PM

cum on a jew?

10/28/2005 1:10:17 PM

GRAND DIVERSIONARY TACTICS

These indictments are akin to Clinton's indictment over lying about having sex. Mere trivialities when compared to the real crimes committed by this administration (ie, complicity in 9/11, lying to go to war in Iraq, high treason, etc.).

Even if the NWO chieftans "sacrifice" Bush or a few of his minions, it means nothing. The globalist elite will just install a new puppet and Bush/Rove/whoever will probably be given a pardon like Nixon.

A lot of people are starting to realize that this government is MASSIVELY corrupt. So, the elite have allowed a "show trial" such as this to give people the impression that something is being done about the corruption. When in reality, nothing of any significance is going to be done. The war in Iraq is going to continue. Wide open borders will continue. The police state will continue to grow.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 1:25 PM. Reason : 1]

10/28/2005 1:23:33 PM

ahahahaha

10/28/2005 1:26:28 PM

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"faces 30 years in prison"

pardon by Bush?

10/28/2005 1:27:22 PM

HAHAHAHAHHAHA...

oh man....i think this is just hilarious...the left was gonna get everyone...cheney, rove, BUSH!!!...and all they got was this dude....i love it

10/28/2005 1:32:43 PM

i didnt realize the prosecuter had a side.

10/28/2005 1:34:06 PM

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"lying to go to war in Iraq"

Yet isn't this entire scandal tied in with the war in Iraq? I was under the impression that Democrats believe that Valerie Plame was outed as a way of punishing Joe Wilson for speaking against the administration regarding the entire Niger-WMD thing. It's the only real route of direct attack they have to punish the administration for the Iraq War. That's why they're so pissed off for what would otherwise be a very small issue.

(The administration's supporters are making a case that they didn't realise Plame was a non-official cover officer and was pointing out her CIA credentials in an effort to show Wilson's efforts as a form of nepotism or something like that and that allegedly her cover was pretty much blown at that point anyways thanks to Aldrich Aimes).

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2005 1:40:12 PM

Well, they're not exactly indicting anybody over starting an illegal war or intentionally decieving the public in order to go to war. BTW, according to the Constitution, war must be declared by Congress. Just another reason why this war is illegal.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 1:49 PM. Reason : 2]

10/28/2005 1:48:30 PM

rove's still being investigated. We, or at least I, am not hoping for him to be indicted if he didn't break the law. If he did, he should be. I'm glad that fitzgerald isn't rushing the process.

10/28/2005 1:48:47 PM

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"the left was gonna get everyone...cheney, rove, BUSH!!!...and all they got was this dude....i love it"

The prosecutor is a republican.

10/28/2005 1:50:32 PM

haha...yay!! you missed the point!!!

10/28/2005 1:53:15 PM

Well, as DG said, Rove is still being investigated. They may extend the grand jury. Also, Libby may just spill his guts (might not too). If anyone committed a crime, then take them away. If not, then as DG said, don't indict. My prediction stands at I still don't think Libby will be the only one charged when everything is all said and done. However, if I'm wrong when it's all over, I won't be mad, and I'll be ok with being wrong on that.

10/28/2005 1:56:00 PM

by the way, I don't know about anyone else, buti am NOT happy about this. People in Our fucking administration has committed some serious crimes here, and our national security has been endangered. It's not something to celebrate.

Teh only thing good is if whoever did it gets punished.

10/28/2005 1:58:47 PM

No, I didn't miss the point. The left really doesn't have much to do in this situation, as the prosecutor is a republican. Of course he's not out to get anyone; if anything, he's a little to 'liberal' in his treatment of these people. And Rove is still being investigated, so don't be so sure some nefarious shit won't happen. Of course the left is after them, this leak was a petty bullshit thing to do for revenge. It's the left's chance to have all these documents about the war planning unsealed, which will give them more firepower against the administration.

It's not about getting Rove fired, even though that would be a plus-- it's about an opportunity to show exactly how fucked up the march to war really was.

10/28/2005 1:58:59 PM

exactly. and it's not just the left, there are republicans who want to know as well, and independents, and... well you get it

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2005 1:59:54 PM

I was talking with someone about this yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided that if someone had to take the fall, it was gonna be someone of a lower profile (Libby and not Rove or Cheney), they'd get that person slammed, they'd get a slap on the wrist in a Martha Stewart prison, meanwhile his family will be "well cared for" until Scooter finishes his "hard time."

Scooter Libby is not an idiot, he's a very calculating guy. I doubt that he slipped up and no one else did.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:00 PM. Reason : -]

10/28/2005 1:59:54 PM

Quote :

"No, I didn't miss the point. The left really doesn't have much to do in this situation, as the prosecutor is a republican. Of course he's not out to get anyone; if anything, he's a little to 'liberal' in his treatment of these people. And Rove is still being investigated, so don't be so sure some nefarious shit won't happen. Of course the left is after them, this leak was a petty bullshit thing to do for revenge. It's the left's chance to have all these documents about the war planning unsealed, which will give them more firepower against the administration. It's not about getting Rove fired, even though that would be a plus-- it's about an opportunity to show exactly how fucked up the march to war really was."

bla bla bla....the last three weeks has been a big orgy with the left...you all have been soooo excited about Rove getting charged...you had all these "sources" saying it was going to happen..and then the day comes and what do you get??...libby...who means nothing...dont act like you arent amazingly dissappointed

and the fact that the prosecutor is a republican has NOTHING to do with this

not only...but the indictment says nothing about going to war...it doesnt even say anything about the outing of the Plame....its just purgery....again...i love it

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:03 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/28/2005 2:02:12 PM

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"its just purgery"

yeah! whats wrong with purgery!

10/28/2005 2:05:23 PM

According to Alex Jones...

This is a big theatrical display. Theater. The indictments are over lying about crimes...NOT THE CRIMES THEMSELVES. This means that no big issues or big shots get implicated in anything.

10/28/2005 2:05:40 PM

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"yeah! whats wrong with purgery!"

yeah. its just a technicality. duh. no biggy.

10/28/2005 2:08:43 PM

pErjury

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:14 PM. Reason : damn g messed me up]

10/28/2005 2:11:45 PM

perjury

10/28/2005 2:12:15 PM

PERJURY

10/28/2005 2:12:31 PM

^ x 7 It's people like you that are the reason our nation is so divided on partisan lines. You wouldn't allow anyone who is a democrat to not be up in arms about Rove not getting indicted. Grow the fuck up and learn that it's not always about party lines. Some of us just want to see justice served and get the liars and crooks out of office.

I'll admit that I don't like the policy of this administration, I've never made that a secret. At the same time I would never ask for anyone in Washington to be put in jail for something that they didn't do. "Don't judge a man by his opinions, but what his opinions have made of him."

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:14 PM. Reason : slow]

10/28/2005 2:13:40 PM

ovstand vs. trikk is like logic and compassion vs. freudian projection

10/28/2005 2:18:26 PM

^bla bla bla...dont act self-righteous now boys...you lost

10/28/2005 2:20:53 PM

Does anyone have any idea why these people would testify in the first place?

I mean its a criminal investigation why wouldnt people just their mouth and plead the 5th?

10/28/2005 2:21:07 PM

the people who lost in this are valerie plame, joe wilson, the american people, and so far, scooter libby.

and obviously you, because you have the outlook on life that you do. It must be hard to be filled with so much vile that you have to make yourself think everyone else is as well.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2005 2:22:27 PM

he has no idea what's going on, he's just acting like his team won, even though he has no clue what the game is

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:24 PM. Reason : -]

10/28/2005 2:23:21 PM

that's obvious. as if there's a "win" and "lose" here. the "win" is people who committed crimes being punished or not, not which "side" has more people in trouble. jesus.

10/28/2005 2:26:35 PM

haha...i think you have said that to me before..."your life must be terrible"

hey buddy...my life is great...freakin great...how is your life right now since you didnt get any of the indictments that you wanted??

10/28/2005 2:28:55 PM

there's still plenty to find out here:



official A, eh?

now for the public trial. We'll see what happens.

^ my life's great, because I don't gain happiness by seeing my country's government commit crimes, and I don't gain happiness by seeing other people suffer. Obviously you do, but you won't get any happiness from me that way.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2005 2:29:16 PM

^^ you're a tool dude

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2005 2:29:37 PM

he knows.

10/28/2005 2:30:29 PM

keep it up yall...keep it up

10/28/2005 2:31:03 PM

keep what up?

10/28/2005 2:32:17 PM

I hereby vote that we ignore trikk.

reasons why libby's indictment is important:

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/10/why-libby-indictment-is-crucial.html

Quote :

"This is not the election, this isn't about us winning, this is about national security, and while I know a lot of people want to hammer Bush through Rove, the stakes are much higher than that. Bush is well on his way to collapse, trial or no trial. Why? First, Libby was part of the neocon circle. He knew all of the key players, and thus, as his boss's factorum, he was representing Cheney directly. When people from Bolton's office got Plame's name, that's who it went to. If there was any need to get Joe Wilson, that's where it came from, Rove came in afterwards. This whole thing started with Scooter Libby and his boss, not the Oval Office. Can anyone honestly imagine Karl Rove plotting to get us to go to war in Iraq if Cheney didn't have the idea first? Of course not. Which is why Libby's bound to be indicted by Fitzgerald, if he has a case against anyone. Second, if you eventually want to get to the forgeries and the lies which led us into war, the route lies through Dick Cheney and his man Scooter and not Rove and Bush. While Bush may have wanted war, he contracted the work out to Cheney, who then went to Libby, who was obssesed with the subject. Remember, it was Cheney leaning on the CIA for positive words, it was the neocons like Wurmser and Flietz who challenged the CIA. People who worked for John Bolton. Is Karl Rove tied to these people? No. But Scooter Libby is and so is Dick Cheney. Word is Rove was already offered a plea and rejected it. Why? To protect Bush. The only reason to offer a plea is to entice a flip. The thing is that Libby has a lot more to lose than Rove, and an indictment may get him to flip on other people. Why? Libby is a lawyer and a defense against a federal prosecutor could run him a million dollars or more. A conviction for perjury would get him disbarred. Anything turned up at trial about unethical behavior could get him disbarred. In short, Libby could face jail and barnkuptcy, regardless of a verdict. Rove, even if he did jail time, doesn't have those worries. His evil genius will always pay. It would be nice to leave Rove hanging, as the Times suggests, and while passing him by would be emotionally unsatisfying, it's Libby and friends who are a mortal danger to the Republic. It was the neocons who led this country into war, with their man Cheney at the helm. Bush was an eager client, but they were the sales team, And as long as they have power, this country is in danger."

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:33 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2005 2:33:05 PM

haha....ive got tell yall..i dont care if you ignore me or not...just dont act like you arent dissappointed that Rove or Cheney wasnt indicted


Fitzgerald just said that he is not registered as part of a party by the way...soo...yeah

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 2:48 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/28/2005 2:38:31 PM

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"you all have been soooo excited about Rove getting charged...you had all these "sources" saying it was going to happen..and then the day comes and what do you get??...libby"

um...you are aware that just because this was the only indictment today doesn't mean that there won't be any more indictments. Rove is still under investigation. The strategy appears to be start with the people lower on the food chain and see if they will flip and give information to catch people higher up. The fact that libby was indicted proves how high up on the food chain they've gotten so far.

10/28/2005 2:40:41 PM

One PNAC signatory down, twenty-four more to go.

10/28/2005 2:42:42 PM

I would be disappointed that they weren't indicted only if they did something wrong in the first place. Time will tell if this is the case or not, but so far they are in the clear so I would want no man to be wrongfully imprisoned.

10/28/2005 2:48:15 PM

I think that some liberals are celebrating too quickly. An indictment isn't a conviction.

Conservatives are celebrating too quickly, too. Rove isn't out of the woods, yet. And regardless of what FrontPage magazine may have told you, liberals aren't expecting a Cheney indictment.

[Edited on October 28, 2005 at 3:08 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2005 3:07:44 PM

It's not often I'm in such complete agreement with DirtyGreek here in the Soapbox, but this whole thing disturbs me greatly.

10/28/2005 3:08:47 PM

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"An indictment isn't a conviction."

a fish isnt a stapler

doesnt mean this isnt very bad news

10/28/2005 3:13:59 PM

Libby Libby Bo Bibby
Banana Fana Fo Fibby
Me My Mo Mibby

10/28/2005 3:18:52 PM

does anyone have a link to the full 1 hrs press conference?

10/28/2005 3:26:13 PM

Erwin Chemerinsky, Duke Law professor: "What brought down the Nixon administration wasn’t the burglary itself, but the cover-up of it. What caused Clinton’s indictment wasn’t that he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky but he lied about it. It's consistent with what we’ve seen in scandals for a long time."

10/28/2005 5:41:16 PM

David Gergen, CNN's Lou Dobson [paraphrased] "Rove escaped indictment because of 11th hour information, which he provided only to Fitzgerald yesterday, which gave the prosecutor pause enough to continue the investigation rather than issue an indictment..."

10/28/2005 6:40:15 PM