Quote :

"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told radio talk show host Sean Hannity that troop strength can likely be reduced after Iraq's elections next month"

http://www.news4jax.com/news/5395280/detail.html
http://www.hannity.com/index/news-app/story.326/menu./sec./home.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=in&ie=UTF-8&q=rumsfeld+hannity&btnG=Search+News

Quote :

"Pentagon officials said on Wednesday that the initial pullout would reduce the present force of 155,000 to about 138,000"

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pentagon-says-pullout-will-begin-after-poll/2005/11/24/1132703314617.html

Quote :

"The administration may have hoped to deflate pressure through Ms. Rice's comments. On Tuesday, she said on CNN and Fox News that a troop reduction might be possible "fairly soon," and that as more Iraqi security forces were trained, the number of foreign troops "is clearly going to come down.""

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/23/international/middleeast/23cnd-troops.html


[/we'll leave when the job is done blah blah]



[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 12:27 PM. Reason : - ]

11/24/2005 12:16:04 PM

RUMSFELD IS A COWARD

11/24/2005 12:27:16 PM

i thought this kinda talk, was suppose to embolden the enemy?

guess i dont know shit.

11/24/2005 12:28:10 PM

What exactly do you people want? You bitch about everything. You bitch when the troops are there. You bitch when there's talk about reducing the number of troops. Are you people really that upset that we're winning the war?

11/24/2005 12:28:55 PM

only losers cut and run^

11/24/2005 12:29:42 PM

DONALD RUMSFELD IS A COWARD!!!

11/24/2005 12:36:29 PM

just b/c we're killing alot of people doesnt mean we're winning anything

11/24/2005 12:43:35 PM

Um, it's not cutting and running when the fucking Iraqis are capable enough to take care of themselves.

11/24/2005 12:43:54 PM

^uhh ahah. so, has the violence in iraq been dying down? are we seeing fewer troop deaths?

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 12:48 PM. Reason : -]

11/24/2005 12:46:56 PM

The insurgents have been reduced to car and road bombs. They can't even amass anything widespread, so yes the war is being won.

Besides, when it has been determined that the Iraqis can take care of their own problems, not to mention the fact that the Iraqi government wants a more active role, then yes we ought to pull out. It's not like we're pulling everybody out at one time, we're allowing the Iraqis to control and govern their own country.

11/24/2005 12:51:57 PM

Whatever.

At least i want to stay and get the job done right. All you want to do is cut and run.

11/24/2005 1:09:15 PM

i thought liberals were the ones not living in reality

11/24/2005 1:20:08 PM

Wasn't the plan always to reduce troop levels back down to 130,000 after the vote?

11/24/2005 1:22:50 PM

yea....clearly we need fewer troopes to win the war

i remember learning that in millitary school.

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 1:24 PM. Reason : -]

11/24/2005 1:23:40 PM

Quote :

"the war is being won."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

11/24/2005 1:47:08 PM

less troops more bombs

VIETAQ

11/24/2005 1:47:31 PM

It's like trying to reason with 2 year olds.

Yes, we're winning. The Iraqi people have clearly spoken on that with their willingness to get involved in the political process. Democracy in Iraq, what a lovely thing. Despite the fact that many of you think that the Iraqi people cannot handle the responsibility of self-governing, the ballot box says differently.

11/24/2005 2:40:37 PM

^just having democracy isnt winning. democracy is suppose to stabilize that whole region. all we see is more violence. we have no victory until the violence stops.

our troops put up signs that read "you vote, they leave"....so gee what a shock that people voted

11/24/2005 2:48:11 PM

Quote :

"You bitch when there's talk about reducing the number of troops."

only because when someone on the left proposes it they're a war-hating homo COWARD

but when rumsfeld does it, its because we're winning the war...

11/24/2005 2:49:39 PM

[/thread]

11/24/2005 2:51:21 PM

Maybe it's because the man who's proposing it actually knows WTF is going on over there. Rumsfeld's credibility on this subject and his intimate knowledge of the situation makes him qualified to know when is the right time to make a transition of power in Iraq because of the positive steps that are being made on all fronts.

If the time wasn't right for the US to begin to reduce the number of troops in Iraq then we wouldn't pull out until the necessary time arose, end of discussion.

There's a huge difference between the Secretary of Defense making the recommendation vs. somebody who wants us to get out for reasons other than finishing the job.

11/24/2005 3:00:50 PM

"the job"

11/24/2005 3:09:29 PM

Quote :

"Maybe it's because the man who's proposing it actually knows WTF is going on over there."

rummy is the only one who knows whats going on? ... please

i can name 12 experts who have been advocating for bringing our troops home ASAP

coughMURTHAcough

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 3:18 PM. Reason : -]

11/24/2005 3:16:42 PM

i mean, its not like he isn't the ranking member of a pretty important committee

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 3:32 PM. Reason : I GUESS HE DOESN'T KNOW JACK]

11/24/2005 3:32:08 PM

Murtha is a Congressman. He has a lot of responsibilities. As Sec. of Defense, Rumsfeld knows a lot more about the war situation because that is all he deals with on a daily basis. His word on the matter is a lot more credible than Murtha's.

Besides, if his opinion is concuring with Murtha's then what is the problem?

11/24/2005 3:53:35 PM

rummy? credible? do i need to put on a clip show for you?

11/24/2005 3:57:52 PM

rummy
the guy who just got caught in lies like last week on hardball is reliable????

11/24/2005 4:06:34 PM

Quote :

"Besides, if his opinion is concuring with Murtha's then what is the problem?"

BECAUSE YOU FUCKERS ACT LIKE THE IDEA IS ONLY RIGHT IF IT COMES FROM THE RIGHT

A WEEK AGO THERE WERE THEATRICS AND HIJINX BECAUSE SOMEONE SUGGESTED WE DO THIS

NOW WHEN THE RIGHT PROPOSES IT, YOU WANT US TO ACT LIKE ITS THE BEST FUCKING IDEA EVER FROM THE MOST CREDIBLE SOURCE EVER

if rummy is so credible and knowledgable, why didn't Bush ask him if we should invade iraq?

11/24/2005 4:08:55 PM

HELL YOU HAVE A FUCKING THREAD THAT SAY "WITHDRAWL IS NOT AN OPTION"

11/24/2005 4:09:50 PM

i think we should invade iran. i mean, then, a whole shit load of "terrorists" would be killing our troops.
which, according to you, protects america.

11/24/2005 4:54:14 PM

ha

we're getting killed by them over there so we don't get killed by them over here



because isn't that what "fighting them" really means

11/24/2005 4:57:57 PM

a human target dummy defense makes the best offense. clearly. how can we lose?



[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 5:12 PM. Reason : - ]

11/24/2005 5:08:27 PM

The kind of withdrawal that Murtha wants is not an option, like I have said time and time and time again.

How many times do I have to explain the same shit to you? You're damn straight I trust what the Secretary of Defense says about the war in Iraq instead of some kneejerk anti-war rhetoric.

It must really kill you to know that you're wrong. The war is working. The Iraqi people are going to have free elections next month. They are going to take over their country and govern accordingly. Heaven forbid that democracy spread to the middle east. Your ignorance combined with a strong undertone of racism would make David Duke smile.

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 5:15 PM. Reason : ]

11/24/2005 5:12:29 PM

Quote :

"The kind of withdrawal that Murtha wants"

time for some strawman arguments. he never said he want immediate total withdrawls.

11/24/2005 5:14:15 PM

It really doesn't matter what Murtha wants. He doesn't have the definite say in this. Rumsfeld is in constant contact with the people on the ground and those in the new Iraqi government. His word on this situation is what matters, period.

11/24/2005 5:17:12 PM

^flip flop

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 5:20 PM. Reason : e]

11/24/2005 5:20:14 PM

^^ so no matter what rummy says, hes right and we shouldnt question him?

11/24/2005 5:27:25 PM

Yes, listening to the man who knows more about the Iraqi situation save the President and possibly the Sec. of State makes me a flip flopper. Wonderful analysis.

11/24/2005 5:30:38 PM

Quote :

""I'm not into this detail stuff. I'm more concepty.""

-Donald

11/24/2005 5:36:07 PM

DONT MAKE ME DO A CLIP SHOW OF RUMMY'S IDIOT LIES

if you think rummy is credible...then i am not gonna argue with you.

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 5:38 PM. Reason : -]

11/24/2005 5:38:27 PM

Quote :

""As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." —Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding to a U.S. soldier serving in Iraq who asked him why troops had to dig through scrap metal to armor vehicles"

DONALD!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA WORD

11/24/2005 5:38:43 PM

christ the man has bloody offered his resognation TWICE on two seperate occasions over the iraqi war

11/24/2005 5:40:20 PM

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/videos8.htm

11/24/2005 5:43:43 PM

evidently any decision to do anything shall now and forever more be known as a timetable.

gg

11/24/2005 5:44:12 PM

my dad had a time line for cooking thanksgiving dinner

11/24/2005 5:45:19 PM

what did you have? we had turkey.

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 5:50 PM. Reason : ps happy thanksgiving!]

11/24/2005 5:49:49 PM

Blah blah blah, Rumsfeld lied, Bush lied, Cheney lied...it's a broken record.

Again, the man is in the position to know if and when the situation is plausible for us to take troops out of Iraq. Far more credible than Murtha or a leftwing blog.

11/24/2005 5:50:51 PM

Quote :

"Blah blah blah, Rumsfeld lied, Bush lied, Cheney lied...it's a broken record."

i'm so glad you can just dismissed this as if THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS DIDN'T DIE BECAUSE OF THESE SHITHEADS.

GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU COCKSUCKER, AND YOUR PRETENTIOUS ATTITUDE THAT ONLY YOU ARE SUPPORTING YOUR TROOPS BY SENDING THEM INTO A FUCKING WASTELAND HALFWAY AROUND THE GLOBE TO DIE FOR FUCKING WORDS. EAT A BIG FUCKING DICK.

"STAY THE COURSE" "DON'T CUT AND RUN" "KEEP PUTTING MEAT IN THE FUCKING GRINDER BECAUSE JESUS TOLD ME TO"

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 6:00 PM. Reason : pluralization]

11/24/2005 6:00:19 PM

Jesus loves you.

11/24/2005 6:06:00 PM

i had turkey but my aunt doesnt eat birds so we had some salmon. it was pretty awesome.

oh and so if all these peopel lied why should we believe its a good time to leave?

11/24/2005 6:06:30 PM