It seems silly. Conservative this. Liberal that. Conservatives claim they want to support life by being "pro-life" yet they also support war and the death penalty. Liberals claim they want to support life by being anti-war and anti-dealth penalty, but they fall in the "pro-choice" category that terminates unborn children. In the mean time, both sides express hatred for people who aren't like them (i.e. opposite political parties/views). What kind of "people lovers" are mean and hateful to those who simply have different opinions?

Someone make some sense of this for me, because I guess I am just not getting it.

12/8/2005 10:53:12 AM

that's because you're a dumb whore who needs to go back to chit chat

12/8/2005 10:54:35 AM

^wtg asshole

the only thing common about common sense is that it isnt.

i could go on forever as to why i support women's rights, but its one of those things id rather not argue online w/ a bunch of crazy yokels.

V in short, yeah

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 10:58 AM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 10:54:44 AM

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"Liberals claim they want to support life by being anti-war and anti-dealth penalty, but they fall in the "pro-choice" category that terminates unborn children"

i think abortion is often horrible, i just dont think the federal government should have a say

12/8/2005 10:56:44 AM

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"the only thing common about common sense is that it isnt."

so common sense isnt common? then what is it?

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 10:57 AM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 10:57:51 AM

12/8/2005 11:03:40 AM

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"that's because you're a dumb whore who needs to go back to chit chat"

Exactly my point.

What's your motive for this comment? Why do people say things like this? There's so much crap going on in the world. Why contribute?

12/8/2005 11:07:51 AM

^^halloween, why the fuck do you care?

i could be flamingly homosexual for all you know. why does that shit still matter to people?

12/8/2005 11:09:55 AM

Conservatives: Silent majority, make up most of the military, thinks that if someone works hard they can achieve success and achieves this by cutting taxes for everyone,

Liberals: The outspoken minority (as seen on this board, you can see who makes most of the threads), thinks that society should care for its citizens and achieves this by raising taxes on the rich.

The arguement about abortion is due to different opinions when life actually begins. Conservatives think that this happens when each of us were concieved and that if it was unwanted, then the parents should live with the actions they chose. Liberals put the rights of parents above the rights of the embryo and feel that if it would hurt the parents or if the parents do not want it, then terminate the pregnancy. Abortion has nothing to do with the war.

What the government says is dependant on how the constitution is interpreted. Notice the constitiution does not say "born" when giving people basic rights and privillages.

12/8/2005 11:16:02 AM

not all liberals want to tax the rich

12/8/2005 11:17:34 AM

in other words, the majority of america holds values which are not found on this message board. if i posted my stuff on a board with all of america present, i would get a more positive response.

12/8/2005 11:18:08 AM

^^^Completely understand the abortion arguement. You're definitely right. It does depend on one's definition of life. I pretty much watered down some of the main conservative/liberal arguements, but more of the "feelings" behind them instead of the actual politics.

I guess my point is that everyone claims to be pro-people but hates people that aren't like them. There are flaws all political views because no one has it all figured out yet. I think if Americans could actually admit that they haven't figured it out, then people might start listening to each other and I dont know.. maybe work together? I know I know. Idealistic, yes. So I'm a bit of an optimist. It just pisses me off to see people clinging to their views so much that eventually they are blinded by them.

Too much to explain on the internet, but I hope it makes sense.
Thanks for the intelligent response.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 11:21 AM. Reason : ^^^s]

12/8/2005 11:20:45 AM

^^not true. I think you're pretty forceful with your comments about hating democrats and liberals. You're the very type of conservative that I am referring to. One that should take a step back and breathe a little.

12/8/2005 11:22:23 AM

maybe you should step back if you cant take the heat

12/8/2005 11:30:47 AM

do you bwn?

12/8/2005 11:33:19 AM

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"if i posted my stuff on a board with all of america present, i would get a more positive response."

ha!

god i hate north carolina.

12/8/2005 11:35:49 AM

The stakes are pretty high. I can't imagine that it's that hard to figure out why each side wants to win.

^The option to gtfo remains yours

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 11:38 AM. Reason : ]

12/8/2005 11:37:58 AM

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"maybe you should step back if you cant take the heat"

Come on. Seriously. What's the purpose?

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"The stakes are pretty high. I can't imagine that it's that hard to figure out why each side wants to win."

What is it you're trying to win and why?

12/8/2005 11:40:00 AM

Well, we generally feel that if the other side got to run things, the country (and the world, too) would go straight to hell in a handbasket. So we have to fight to win control, and if we can't manage that, we at least have to fight to slow the other guy down.

Of course, what we do on an internet forum is hardly the most important thing when it comes to this little war, but every little bit helps. If all the Democrats/Lefties on this board convince one Republican to join them (and I've seen it happen on this very board), it's a victory for them.

Think of it as WWI. Everyone's going balls-out all the time to beat the other guy, but neither side is really gaining any ground. That's what TWW is like.

12/8/2005 11:49:47 AM

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"What is it you're trying to win and why?"

People feel they have to be right in an arguement and think that winning/losing is the point of the arguement. People also take offense in what other people believe. Its just the way its gonna be. The people I disagree with and argue with the most on here are probably some of my favorite personalities on TWW. I'd gladly sit down and have a beer, or some chai green tea frappucino if they must.

12/8/2005 11:54:23 AM

^ ^You still haven't said what you're trying to win, though. You said you wanted to avoid going to "hell in a handbasket" but what do you actually think that means? I think people are so caught up in this side or that side that they forgot what they actually want.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 11:56 AM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 11:56:16 AM

kayti, sweetie, your generalizations are so broad it'd take an airplane to get from one end to the other

12/8/2005 12:06:37 PM

no need to patronize.

Of course they are general... I said that.

Sometimes big issues require a complete generalization in order to revert back to the original intentions.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 12:09 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 12:08:04 PM

i know. I just wanted to get on the game of "bash the soapbox n00b"

I agree with you, in the general sense of course

12/8/2005 12:08:45 PM

"n00b"
Such a cool word.

12/8/2005 12:11:38 PM

the whole point of winning, if it wasnt fairly obvious by now, is to have power. you want people with similar beleifs to you in power. you want to convince others that either you are right or the other guy is wrong so your agenda can move ahead. it has been shown that negative ads and the like are a lot more effective, thus all the hate.

besides, if you really beleive that it is whats right for the country/world, why not be fervent about it. im not saying you have to violently revolt but you can have some conviction. theres a certain amount that is ideal in the polical world. i think general distaste for the other side can part of that even if it seems uncalled for at times.

12/8/2005 12:36:41 PM

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"^The option to gtfo remains yours"

Same to all those who think TWW is a sour sample of the people america has to offer. But if you really thought that, you might not be posting here. But i don't put it past anyone to remain thinking the whole time they're talking with idiots. Only an idiot would do that. My general point was that this message board may have more liberals than what you'll find talking to random people around this area and college, but that's still not all too much.

And i have to stay long enough to get the most out of in state tuition. I mean come on...

12/8/2005 12:38:11 PM

^ ^still have yet to answer my question.

You want power... to do what with it?
Why the need to run the country?
I am by no means saying it is wrong to stand up for what you believe in. But what do you believe in? I hope it is not just having power for the sake of it...

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ^]

12/8/2005 12:39:28 PM

wtf are you talking about? are you asking why people want to run the country seriously? am i missing some point or are you just a troll?

12/8/2005 12:44:45 PM

i'd holla at this chick

12/8/2005 12:48:41 PM

("troll" now there's another good one)

I guess you could say that I just want to know why people want to run the world.

..I actually started typing my whole theory behind this but I think its too hard to explain.

12/8/2005 12:49:08 PM

Oh, i finally found out what a troll is!

I think there are some people who don't walk a clear line between being a troll and being themselves. when it comes to beliefs, many people just don't take their own seriously, like someone who doesn't care if they care themselves. i could only see that kind of person going on for 1000's of posts on here about crap. But I don't really think that's SB.

12/8/2005 12:49:32 PM

If this was in person and not the internet there wouldnt be as much hate

the internet lets you vent and be a dick while wasting time at work

youre reading way too much into it

12/8/2005 12:50:47 PM

^ I doubt it. There's a lot of hate outside of the internet. Words turn into action and venting (aka "catharsis") has been studied and many outcomes show that it's ineffective. It actually stirs up hatred even more.

See if someone is "venting" about something, they often express extremely exaggerated opinions about it. Once said, people feel the need to justify why they said what they said, so to solve this mind-dilemma we tend to believe what we vent, creating more intense hatred.

12/8/2005 12:54:53 PM

do you have a boyfriend?

12/8/2005 1:01:22 PM

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"If this was in person and not the internet there wouldnt be as much hate"

case study: scholars peace lunch fourm. Even more hate than here, even less progress made, in every way, the worst humanity has to offer.

12/8/2005 1:02:03 PM

I was talking about if the people HERE were in person there wouldnt be nearly as much hate

jesus

12/8/2005 1:03:03 PM

^did you read my last post? tww regulars are not excempt from having human tendencies

Why do people stop listening to each other as soon as an opinion infects their brain?





[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 1:04:54 PM

well if this were in person we wouldn't be talking about politics without any change the topic option.

12/8/2005 1:05:45 PM

^^ I'd think a psych major would be able to answer that question better than the rest of us...

12/8/2005 1:06:46 PM

^

<--- case in point... there are a lot of answers to this question actually. It pretty much sums up 99% of social psych but too much to talk about here. Thought I'd just propose the question.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 1:08:25 PM

(you being that psych major)

12/8/2005 1:10:02 PM

ah, my bad. I missed the sarcasm.

12/8/2005 1:17:44 PM

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"I guess you could say that I just want to know why people want to run the world. "

'd like to know myself.

12/8/2005 1:23:16 PM

People want to run things because people are basically selfish in nature.

Ex. Rich guy is tired of letting go of almost half his pay check to pay for some art gallery or something.

Ex. Atheist doesn't want his kids to be "taught"/coerced to pray in school.

Ex. Woman doesn't want the choice to have an abortion taken from her


Basically, people want their way. They see that the only way to get what they want is to have themselves or likeminded people in charge.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 1:35 PM. Reason : expounding]

12/8/2005 1:33:00 PM

in america

first you get the sugar

then you get the power

then you get the women

12/8/2005 1:51:44 PM

then you get the herpe

12/8/2005 2:14:39 PM

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"There are flaws all political views because no one has it all figured out yet. I think if Americans could actually admit that they haven't figured it out, then people might start listening to each other and I dont know.. maybe work together? I know I know. Idealistic, yes. So I'm a bit of an optimist."

You really think that there is one "right" way to do everything? How exactly is a pro-choice person going to work together with a pro-life person? There is no common ground on that issue.

Differing political viewpoints typically result from major ideological differences. You are rarely ever going to have a consensus on any particular issue, no matter how much you try to "listen and work together".

12/8/2005 2:18:30 PM

^^^^ i dont think your examples are all that selfish at all. they are all items put on you by the government and thus you obviously want to have say in that. in so, of course, you'd prefer people that agree with you. it isnt as if controlling the government will get you 100% of you want, but plenty of people would be plenty fine with a few major points of their agenda being satisfied or having at least a working compromise.

^ not to mention things like economic issues which could be solved a variety of ways depending on other factors in the system.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 2:19:51 PM

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"do you have a boyfriend?"

12/8/2005 2:20:57 PM