thoughts?

12/9/2005 11:51:10 AM

k20

12/9/2005 11:52:32 AM

im thinking turbo and nitrous

maybe i could take the engine out of a pilot and put it in a hatch

12/9/2005 11:56:59 AM

^^yeah, great idea to put a nissan motor in a honda

try it and tell me how that works out for you

12/9/2005 11:57:31 AM

[old]

12/9/2005 11:59:45 AM

pilot = honda pilot

k20 = rsx engine

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 12:00 PM. Reason : woops]

12/9/2005 12:00:02 PM

^^^are you retarded? First of all it wasn't serious, due to the fact that it would probably cost $8k at least. Secondly, that is a honda motor.

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ]

12/9/2005 12:00:28 PM

i'm makin a point

honda's turn counterclockwise, everything else clockwise

12/9/2005 12:01:44 PM

hmm, I have one of those ass backwards engines too.

12/9/2005 12:07:01 PM

RSX IS A HONDA YOU TURDLICKER

12/9/2005 12:51:31 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAHA ToiletPaper

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 12:55 PM. Reason : ooh he swings and misses again...strike two]

12/9/2005 12:53:18 PM

$8k for a k20 swap? would it really be that much?

12/9/2005 1:14:34 PM

save your money and buy a better car

12/9/2005 1:45:45 PM

at this point i think i will keep my thoughts to myself on this matter, someone else will take care of it

12/9/2005 1:55:02 PM

^^^ Yeah, I'd imagine.

12/9/2005 1:56:19 PM

http://www.jgenginedynamics.com

http://www.exospeed.com

http://www.hasport.com

also refer to the past year's worth of Honda Tuning magazine for motor swaps/builds/set-ups.
with an unlimited budget, I'd run a bored/stroked/turbo'd B-series with all necessary mods...probably around 2-liters disp.

12/9/2005 3:30:44 PM

^ why not do that to a K series? Forgive my limited Honda knowledge...

12/9/2005 3:32:34 PM

depends on what generation motor/body swap is going on.... and the B,D and H series motors seem to have more aftermarket support, currently - but support for the K is building. It's most probably possible, but much harder with the reversed intake/exhaust routing on the K's - for turbo application and firewall adjustments on generations other than the 01 and up

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 3:38 PM. Reason : blah blah]

12/9/2005 3:37:31 PM

Quote :

"even turbo hondas are slow i pull on them easy"

1.8t jetta driver speaking of the typical doesn't know how to tune shit honda driver.

(i don't want any gay i <3 honda replies ... i know there is a guy an houston that makes modified vipers look dumb not to mention the racers.)






WOOOOOOOOOO PHANTASM

12/9/2005 3:44:28 PM

heh heh heh - I'm telling yah, spend the right $$ and the Honda will sing.

12/9/2005 3:45:48 PM

you can get a K-r motor swapped into the civic for probably the same amount as an ITR b series motor swapped in. and id def. go with K motor.

thats how the prices use to be, now im not sure if the K series is more expensive

12/9/2005 4:57:16 PM

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"It's most probably possible, but much harder with the reversed intake/exhaust routing on the K's - for turbo application and firewall adjustments on generations other than the 01 and up"

I don't think you need a turbo for a K20 swap to be fast. IIRC, the EGs I was seeing on forums seemed to run mid 12s with pretty much just the swap and maybe some basic bolt-ons (Most of which are required to make the engine fit and work properly anyways). I'm pretty sure a supercharger could take it into the 11s. No point in having much more power than that in a FWD. Plus if you left the K20 relatively stock you could make good power with very good reliability. I bet it could even take the supercharger for quite a while on stock internals.

I wouldn't mind a K20 swapped DC2 type R. I'd leave it NA though.

^ How much are good B18C5's going for these days anyway?

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 5:06 PM. Reason : ]

12/9/2005 5:04:04 PM

what about the availability of the B18C5? I thought they were pretty hard to come by a few years ago

12/9/2005 5:47:57 PM

start with a decent performance platform

not an economy car

12/9/2005 5:57:12 PM

^^^I aree with everything you said, but why in the hell would you want to supercharge a k-series?

Good c5 swaps go for about $4k-$5k nowadays. Overpriced, I think. I would rather a turbo c1 for about (maybe a little more) the same money.

12/9/2005 6:09:58 PM

^^ you can start any platform you want.

the civic is a damn good one too. lots of potential.

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 6:22 PM. Reason : depending on what the plans are]

12/9/2005 6:20:19 PM

12/9/2005 6:21:56 PM

is the H22 not the swap everyone in the honda world jacks off to anymore?

12/9/2005 6:25:27 PM

from what ive seen not so much - mostly for drag cars

12/9/2005 6:29:25 PM

^^^^yeah, i'm just saying...why handicap yourself by starting with an economy car when there are better platforms out there? besides, even if you do things the hard way and make a Civic fast, you still have the FWD problem.

DSM if you wanna lay down quick ETs (or Fbod/Camaro if you like domestics)..and DSM still handles ok

240sx/Miata/MR2 if you want a circuit machine

you could do the WRX/EVO thing...i'd much prefer either of them to a Civic

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 6:31 PM. Reason : asdsdfasadfsdfa]

12/9/2005 6:30:37 PM

civics are a pretty forgiving track car though that doesn't handle aweful
2ks make good circuit cars too.

n20 is pretty lame though.

like using viagra... you're not always ready to race.

i'd run a turbo and water/alky injection if anything... bump the boost up and get better fuel mileage and water doesn't cost nearly as much. (2$ a gallon for alky)

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 6:35 PM. Reason : .]

12/9/2005 6:34:45 PM

Quote :

"I agree with everything you said, but why in the hell would you want to supercharge a k-series?"

Like I said, I wouldn't SC my K20 if I had one. Since he was talking about the possibility of a turbo not fitting with a K20 swap, I was saying that he could still SC it if he really wanted forced induction.

12/9/2005 6:36:27 PM

saw an '02 civic with a turbo K20 run mid 11's on drag radials a while back

yeah what do you want this thing for anyway? If you want something that's strong in a straight line then you should pick a better platform. Platforms Duke didn't mention would be the 3000GT vr-4, which is on the heavy side but can still be nasty with street tires and pump gas + alcohol. I also have to plug a second generation rx-7 if you want a car with a little less straight line potential than a DSM but better handling.

12/9/2005 6:37:28 PM

except its not as easy to find a vr-4 in decent shape that still fits in the "economy car" price range

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 6:41 PM. Reason : for that matter an evo or sti either]

12/9/2005 6:40:24 PM

and buying a higher mileage (or any really) first gen VR4 is dooming yourself to join the spun rod bearing crowd

12/9/2005 6:43:30 PM

dude my cherokee weighs less than a 3000gt...

soo buy one of those... stroke and turbo it then use the awd for 1/4 mile runs

make sure it has the np232 so it is does infact have the awd selection not just 4wd (the 2nd will make drivetrain parts go boom)





btw... this is a bull shit post that is a complete joke before you start flaming

12/9/2005 6:45:18 PM

aha this thread was supposed to be a joke

12/10/2005 12:55:59 AM

just go out and buy a new radiator cap, then drive a new car under it. dont do anything to it just put euros on it and leave it alone like all the other ricers on here. you wanna buy a 5.0 and sup it up. that way the power you gain from it will show

12/10/2005 1:00:37 AM

12/10/2005 1:06:03 AM

Quote :

"and buying a higher mileage (or any really) first gen VR4 is dooming yourself to join the spun rod bearing crowd"

luck of the draw. I know plenty of guys who've put down a 500+awhp for a while on their VR-4s with pretty high mileage and without spun bearings. If I recall correctly though you're the guy that rebuilt one of the unlucky ones?

12/10/2005 1:21:25 AM

Quote :

"this thread was supposed to be a joke"

12/10/2005 2:48:00 PM

^^ yeah I rebuilt one a while back. It was my first real project and I was too broke at the time to do what should have been a fairly easy job. I eventually finally got the bottom end and oil system problems worked out but kept blowing head gaskets and got pissed and just sold the damn thing. Somebody got a hell of a deal...I could replace the head gaskets in a day but just didn't want to do the job again (obviously the heads were warped). Oh well, live and learn I guess

[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 3:48 PM. Reason : and the second gen ones held up pretty well...different crank and bearing girdle design]

12/10/2005 3:48:04 PM

bttt

1/3/2006 4:26:04 PM

they're all pigs though imho.... and i like awd cars but vr4s are abnormally heavy

1/3/2006 4:29:01 PM

if you're going to soup up a honda, you need clear taillights, some primer colored plastic bumpers, and some ugly stickers that cover up the whole back window.

1/3/2006 5:26:23 PM

a proper k20r swap is going to cost around 10k... however, i have driven two, one in a hatch, one in an '00 si... and they are nastyness!

~10k = cost of engine, kpro ecu, custom mounts for everything, custom axles (k inners, b outers), custom header...

1/3/2006 5:29:04 PM

damn. thats $$.

just the motors used to be a couple grand on ebay.

1/3/2006 7:44:01 PM