DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
It was hilarious, genius, and if the show gets better than this, I don't know if I can handle it.
Wuntsler III has the "W" bling necklace, which without thinking about it stands for Wuntsler. When you look at the metaphor, though, it's obvious what that W really stands for. Plus, in episode 1, Wuntlser I told Grandpa Robert that young Wuntsler would be president of the United States, "but he'll still be a **bleep**ing idiot." Uh huh.
Samuel L. Jackson played Wuntsler III's friend, aptly named Rummie. Rummie and Wuntsler were in Iraq together, where, according to Rummie, they were looking for WMDs. Jackson quotes, almost word-for-word, his character from Pulp Fiction: "Say what again! What ain't no country I ever heard of! Do they speak English in what?" When Riley asks Rummie if they found them, Rummie gets really angry and starts ranting about how "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" - a Donald Rumsfeld quote. True, of course, but still a Rumsfeld quote. He then explains to Riley about known knowns and known unknowns:
As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know.
That's some of Donald Rumsfeld's "existential poetry."
While looking for the xbox killer, and while Rummie and "W" are kicking random people's **bleep**, the boys are finding out exactly who the killer is, they have mapquest directions to his house, and they have a drawing made from the descriptions they got. This represents our already knowing that Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11. Instead of going to his house, though, Rummie and W decide to go "get a drink" instead. They're "right down the street" from the killer's house, but the men decide to take a detour anyway. "What could go wrong," they ask. An obvious reference to our entering Iraq rather than going after Osama.
Later in the episode, Wuntsler and Rummie hold up a convenience store by convincing a cop that the arab clerk has a weapon, even though he doesn't. The cop finally says "I think I can see the weapon now!" A gun battle ensues with the cop, Wuntsler, and Rummie shooting at the clerk and some men who end up running out of the back of the store with weapons. One thing I'm not sure of is who the cop is supposed to be. The UN? The rest of the world authorities? That makes sense until the cop is almost killed by the arabs, and Rummie tells him he won't die in vain. The cop says he'll live, so W yells "bring it on," which George W. said in reference to the insurgents in Iraq, and then the cop is gunned down again.
During the battle, Rummie explains to Riley and Huey that you can't question the wisdom of a situation when it's already started, etc (you shouldn't question the war while it's going on). Rummie and Wuntsler come out alive, the clerk and his friends are arrested as terrorists, and everyone cheers Rummie and Wuntlser, who were actually trying to rob the store. The crowd is screaming things like "go USA!" Very apt, very apt indeed.
In the end, we find out that the xbox killer struck again. If they'd gone straight to his house, we're told, they could have prevented the second killing. Terrifying foreshadowing here - we should have gone after Osama, because now that we've taken this little "detour" in Iraq, he has the ability to ready a new attack. 12/11/2005 2:01:35 AM |
quiet guy Suspended 3020 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "One thing I'm not sure of is who the cop is supposed to be." |
The cop is supposed to represent Tony Blair. His name was Officer England.
[Edited on December 11, 2005 at 11:19 AM. Reason : correction]12/11/2005 11:02:17 AM |
BIGswoll187 All American 3729 Posts user info edit post |
This is a funny ass show 12/11/2005 12:02:57 PM |
spookyjon All American 21682 Posts user info edit post |
It was my least favorite ep so far. I'm not saying I didn't laugh, but some of the jokes ran WAY too long. 12/11/2005 12:08:42 PM |
DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
really? it was my favorite by far
I think the cop represents several groups who had to be forced to believe in the weapons: the un, the international community, the troops, and his name is officer ENGLAND.
[Edited on December 11, 2005 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .] 12/11/2005 12:24:33 PM |
spookyjon All American 21682 Posts user info edit post |
Whatever happened to subtlety? 12/11/2005 12:25:03 PM |
DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
it's only not subtle if you already are really into the details of the war - the rumsfeld quotes, etc. On the adult swim boards, a bunch of people had to be convinced that this episode was metaphorical. 12/11/2005 12:31:11 PM |
spookyjon All American 21682 Posts user info edit post |
Oh.
Well.
Whatever happened to the educated American? 12/11/2005 12:34:03 PM |
DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
that, my friend, is beyond my scope
did he ever exist? 12/11/2005 1:13:11 PM |
J_Hova All American 30984 Posts user info edit post |
thats why I love this damn show
On the surface people see it has offensive, comedy, that "cartoon that uses the N word alot"
But if you take the time to look at it, it's a smartass show with social commentary that 95% of us see
hahah, this one and Episode 4 "Grandads Fight" were 2 of the best, cause I don't know about yall...but I've been the victim/creator of a Nigga moment 12/11/2005 1:35:26 PM |
Nerdchick All American 37009 Posts user info edit post |
What about the whole bit with Tom going to jail instead of the real X-box killer? Was that just a plot device, or was it a metaphor as well? 12/11/2005 1:48:55 PM |
J_Hova All American 30984 Posts user info edit post |
innocent black man get accosted by police all the time for "fitting a description"
at the end when it shows the 2 pictures, thats how it usually works, only thing the have in common is being black. I've actually "fit the description" when I was pulled over by an officer before
i think it was more of both, a social commentary and maybe a comment about how we might not be at war with the right people 12/11/2005 2:07:54 PM |
DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
i think it represents also our falsely imprisoning muslims as terrorists 12/11/2005 2:14:26 PM |
bigTHEW All American 7330 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I can't give you a weapon I'm not holding. You are thinking of the Korean shop, north of here." |
Haha, another priceless quote from the "terrorist" store owner.12/11/2005 2:18:37 PM |
spookyjon All American 21682 Posts user info edit post |
Hahahahaha I hadn't caught that one.
Grandad's Fight was great, especially the Zatoichi sequence. It did make me uncomfortable at times, though.
Which I suppose was the point.] 12/11/2005 3:07:32 PM |
MattyMatt All American 6652 Posts user info edit post |
gas owner: it's me, your father helped me build this shop W: MAN I DONT KNOW YOU, he's got a gun 12/11/2005 4:58:19 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, this show is great. I hope they don't pull it.
I got the smaller metaphors, but I didn't pick up on the entire episode as a metaphor though... interesting... 12/11/2005 5:27:19 PM |
BIGswoll187 All American 3729 Posts user info edit post |
yeah now that i think about it this episode was very rich with the political metaphors, think the white house picked up on it? 12/11/2005 5:41:38 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
if they did, why would they care?
it's not like the people of america would move off the couch 12/11/2005 5:48:48 PM |
AxlBonBach All American 45550 Posts user info edit post |
yea, just more cynical pessimistic bullshit from overrated writers with an axe to grind 12/11/2005 5:52:22 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
yea, just more cynical pessimistic bullshit from overrated writers with an axe to grind for people who aren't gonna do shit 12/11/2005 6:05:30 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
i just watched the episode
and i must say
i still believe in my posts
but that i stil do do say
fuck axl's post
i don't think he saw the show 12/11/2005 11:52:49 PM |
DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
of course he didn't see the god damn show
and even if he did, who cares? 12/11/2005 11:54:23 PM |
J_Hova All American 30984 Posts user info edit post |
there ya go 12/11/2005 11:54:24 PM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
i need to check this fucking show out 12/12/2005 12:07:42 AM |
AxlBonBach All American 45550 Posts user info edit post |
i did see it
shocker, i found it to be just "bleh"
as i've found everything else on this show to be "bleh"
so yea, fuck my posts, and fuck each and every one of you too. 12/12/2005 12:32:46 AM |
DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
hooray! 12/12/2005 9:04:32 AM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
haha 12/12/2005 9:37:03 AM |
EnderJRD All American 25300 Posts user info edit post |
I laughed my ass off when I saw the show last week. Then after watching it twice more I laughed my ass off. Then I read this thread and realized I'm a fucking idiot for missing out on who W and Rummie were supposed to be.
Also
She's a Ho, Grandad!] 12/12/2005 11:38:08 AM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
I didn't like this comic when it came out
I don't like the show (seen 2 or 3 eps)
I think it's trash...not as much trash as the La Cucharacha comic, but very close. 12/12/2005 11:38:43 AM |
DirtyGreek All American 29309 Posts user info edit post |
do you care to elaborate on what's trashy about it?
[Edited on December 12, 2005 at 12:05 PM. Reason : ,] 12/12/2005 12:04:43 PM |
GoldenViper All American 16056 Posts user info edit post |
I enjoyed the last episode... thuggin' love... especially at the end with the kiss and the fact that they missed... that was wonderful. 12/12/2005 3:47:39 PM |