It's bullshit. Fuck you for needing my credit card for me to use something free, then relying on me to remember to cancel something within 30 days, THEN, when I am one day late refusing to credit me back even a prorated amount. Whores.

Note - Plenty of you will say it is in whatever verbiage when I clicked Submit, yada yada. Stay out of the thread. This is a debate about whether companies should be allowed to do this. See netflix if you want to attempt to argue from this direction.

1/15/2006 1:35:41 PM

you're an idiot. first of all, you should never sign up with your credit card for "30 days free" wtf did you think was going to happen you naive bastard

you should treat those things as discounts on purchases you have already decided to make anyway, not as a means of deciding whether or not to make the purchase; and particularly not as a way to get free shit.

you're just the type of stupid person they count on making a profit off of. congratulations

1/15/2006 1:46:26 PM

^^GOOD GRIEF

nothing is free you dumb mother fucker


hahahahaha
you must be a suck individual if you can get me and Excoriator on the same ground on a soap box thread

[Edited on January 15, 2006 at 1:47 PM. Reason : dumbass]

1/15/2006 1:47:00 PM

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"you're just the type of stupid person they count on making a profit off of. congratulations"

Thank you for making my point. We are allowing coporations to pray off of busy people.

I also love how you guys are throwing out dumb and stupid when you have no clue what you are talking about. I knew when I signed up for it that I needed to remember, I even made a 2 day reminder in my outlook calendar. Unfortunately, for some odd reason it didn't pop up and I missed the deadline by a day (about 2 hours to be exact).

Also, apparently some people much more important than me think this is a bad practice
http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3576761

[Edited on January 15, 2006 at 2:01 PM. Reason : idiots]

1/15/2006 1:54:25 PM

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"Negative option plans are not illegal if properly disclosed," The FTC brief states."

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1/15/2006 2:09:45 PM

so you are mad b/c you have a bad memory - i'd be mad too had i been an idiot and got charged for something i signed up for but meant to cancel

1/15/2006 2:18:08 PM

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"We are allowing coporations to prey off of busy people."

yea, welcome to adulthood where one assumes responsibility for himself and his actions.

face it. you fucked up. deal with it and move on. quit crying for mommy government to come in and wipe away your tears.

1/15/2006 2:21:00 PM

Take your trolling to chit chat.

1/15/2006 2:24:23 PM

Every time I've read this thread I lol'd...not b/c the point is funny per se, but just b/c it sounds like 1CYPHER was trying to get him some free pr0n...

[Edited on January 15, 2006 at 2:27 PM. Reason : carry on]

1/15/2006 2:27:06 PM

they arent preying on shit. if you are too busy to take 2 minutes to cancel your subscription you probably didnt have time to rent dvd's in the first place.

it is basically the same as the money back guarantee. are you gonna bitch about that too? hell it is the same as having an item you can return with a receipt if it is open. you buy a faucet at kmart that is advertised to work on all adapters, you go home and it doesnt fit. you are too busy to return it and now kmart wont take it back. THATS FUCKING LIFE.

why dont you ask your credit card company to prorate your interest after you paid 1 day late and see how that goes.

1/15/2006 2:34:21 PM

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"why dont you ask your credit card company to prorate your interest after you paid 1 day late and see how that goes."

You were doing alright til this line.

Actually, this doesn't apply either.

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"it is basically the same as the money back guarantee."

I don't even want all the money back. So it isn't even so much as the negative opt out, which isn't desirable, it is the fact that I can't get money back on an unused portion of a service.

In North Carolina we have a 3 day right of recision, so by law I should be able to get ALL OF IT BACK, you morons. I'll settel for a prorated amount back.

Rather than trying to troll about me being forgetful or busy, you people need to come with something a little stronger because you are really just looking pretty worthless in this thread.

[Edited on January 15, 2006 at 2:42 PM. Reason : x]

1/15/2006 2:37:35 PM

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"welcome to adulthood where one assumes responsibility for himself and his actions."

1/15/2006 2:40:57 PM

what was that one about the fool and his money...?

1/15/2006 2:54:43 PM

What was the one about the whiney bitch and his money?

1/15/2006 3:18:11 PM

negative opt out is retarded.

1/15/2006 3:22:28 PM

Seriously, you're a grown-ass man. If you were told up front that your card would be charged if you didn't cancel--this should have been pretty fucking obvious WHEN THEY ASKED FOR YOUR CREDIT CARD--then I'm sure you were told when you would have to cancel without being charged. It doesn't seem you're disputing this. It seems you're just angry because you forgot. I'm not sure how, given the circumstances involved, how you were in any way wronged.

Were you lied to?

Were you deceived?

Were you misled?

Or did you just fucking forget?

1/15/2006 3:29:12 PM

What the fuck. I just said I think negative opt out is retarded and you act like I just shat on your grand mother's grave.

1/15/2006 3:30:18 PM

my point was all of those situations have deadlines where if you dont send off money, log on to opt out, send the item back, etc. you pay the penalty or dont get any money back.

something tells me your NC rights dont transfer to netflix either (though i have no clue where they are based).

1/15/2006 3:30:37 PM

^^ That was in response to the thread creator, not you.

1/15/2006 3:32:18 PM

so, looking at the link posted, are you a part of that 1 month service free from the class action suit? I can see how people would have reason to get pissy beyond the ordinary "forgot to cancel" thing because they are making money off a settlement that they were supposed to loose on.

And i don't think you're stupid. Hope that makes you feel better.

1/15/2006 3:38:17 PM

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"Were you lied to? Were you deceived? Were you misled? Or did you just fucking forget?"

It was the latter. Your verbal diarrhea has made no points here.

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"It seems you're just angry because you forgot. I'm not sure how, given the circumstances involved, how you were in any way wronged."

I'm not really angry or necessarily feel wronged, other than I can't get a pro-rated amount back for unused services. All you cock blowers that are in here just for the cheap shots (on some random internet person mind you) don't want to address this. Fuck off, you aren't proving any points about me being forgetful, not one god damn iota. There is no debate about that, so save your two cents and go back to chit chat you waste of bandwidth.

Now if anyone wants to debate the merits of negative opt out other than "you're an idiot, etc", or the fact that I can't get a pro-rated amount back, or 3 day rights of recision, feel free. Because while I may be forgetful, those of you here only to talk shit, look really stupid.

1/15/2006 3:53:51 PM

Granted i dont know the deal specifically with netflix, but if its properly stated that if you dont cancel you will be charged, then you have no room to whine.... if that is the case then damn, your whining isnt even worth a thread...

1/15/2006 4:00:03 PM

well, even if there's no contribution to the thread, good cock suckers are hard to find.

I don't doubt that you could convince people here, or at least a person that as a policy issue the negative opt out thing should not be allowed, but i don't see a lot of carring going on.

My impression is that you believe you lost your money fair and square this time but the practice shouldn't be allowed in the future. But wern't they already taking action aginst netflix for the unfair use of it? I thought that was the conclusion of that article, but yet it seemed that the reimbursed 1 month of service that people got had the same loopholes as before. I just can't seem to make full heads or tails of what you say or what the issue is.

1/15/2006 4:06:02 PM

im saying you arent entitled to the prorated amount unless they specifically say they will do so.

ignoring the whole "you forgot" issue, it was a subscription plain and fair at that point. you dont just get to decide to cancel at that point and get a prorated amount.

does this satisfy you?

1. is negative opt out bad. nope, you knew the rules, you knew the time frame. if that is how they wanna play, it seems fair to me. if you dont want to do business with them because of said practice then do so, but i agree with excoriator on how to view that 1 month.

2. are you entitled to a prorated refund? nope, for (and because of) reasons stated above.

1/15/2006 4:29:05 PM

Look, 1CYPHER, you should have known you were going to be mocked in the Soap Box, just like you should have known you might forget. As such, you should have tried to opt out earlier than 2 days, and upon failure NOT posted it in the SB.

You argue that the company in question should not be able to get away with doing this. So, in other words, you are complaining that you had the freedom to sign up for 1-month free service. "why didn't someone else stop me from making such a bone-head decision?" In other words, you are asking for your "right to make contracts" to be revoked, because that is what happened here. You were told the terms of your gamble, and you agreed.

If you got your wish, then in the future you will be presented terms, proclaim "that's a great deal!" then government man #2 from "The Prisoner" will step up and say "Nope, that this guy. he can't be trusted with such contracts." Not to mention, other people with better calendars would then also be unable to take advantage of the company because the company was prevented by a regulator from offering such specials. Do you honestly believe this would be a better outcome? Perhaps for you, but for society as a whole?

1/15/2006 4:38:01 PM

Just to be clear here, this is not netflix (or porn for that matter).

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"ignoring the whole "you forgot" issue, it was a subscription plain and fair at that point. you dont just get to decide to cancel at that point and get a prorated amount."

Sure you do. If I cancel my cable, cell phone, or other similar bills today, I get prorated amounts back. This service should be no difference.

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"if that is how they wanna play, it seems fair to me. if you dont want to do business with them because of said practice then do so, but i agree with excoriator on how to view that 1 month."

This is clearly the most logical reply to my argument, you should feel ashamed it took you (or anyone else) this long to state it. How about this for a slippery slope, what if every business selling similar services used negative opting out such that you don't have a choice in where you pick to do business?

1/15/2006 4:41:48 PM

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"If I cancel my cable, cell phone, or other similar bills today, I get prorated amounts back. This service should be no difference."

welcome to the free market, where businesses have the freedom to offer their own flavor of services and payment plans and where you have the freedom to decline their products


damn son. its like your parents coddled you right up to the curb outside your dormitory

1/15/2006 4:54:42 PM

yeah, i hate rebates because i forgot to redeem one for $50 off a cellphone once, but i was mad at myself because i forgot, not mad at the company

1/15/2006 5:14:59 PM

^^ Don't post in any of my threads again until you add something worthwhile to them. I specifically mentioned right before you post a viewpoint addressing your free market comment. You really are one stupid peice of refuse and in this thread I am dominating you.

1/15/2006 5:17:55 PM

^


[Edited on January 15, 2006 at 5:43 PM. Reason : ,]

1/15/2006 5:43:27 PM

i dont see the slippery slope. netflix is a luxury subscription service. if everyone decided to do it you could simply decide renting movies wasnt worth it (if you are THAT against negative opt out).

on the other hand if you NEED the service, or feel like you need it (i certainly need to rent movies, it is one of my main activities)....do some research, pick a provider, and stick with their service.

1/15/2006 5:45:49 PM

if you're mad that they won't pro-rate your bill, then just wait until most of this month has gone by before you cancel it.

god you're such a sucker

1/15/2006 6:17:35 PM

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"face it. you fucked up. deal with it and move on. quit crying for mommy government to come in and wipe away your tears."

once again
when you get me to agree with Excoriator, it means your claims are pure n00bery

1/15/2006 7:38:55 PM

^ and ^^ fail systematically at trolling, take your shit back to chit chat

1/15/2006 11:52:56 PM

You know, just because somebody disagrees with you, that doesn't mean they're trolling.

Especially if basically nobody agrees with you.

This is America. Companies have the right to offer prorated whatever if they choose, and they have the right to not offer it as well. You have the right to enter into an agreement with them, and you have the right not to. I fail to see what the problem is. This is chit chat grade bitching at best.

1/16/2006 1:09:45 AM

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"I'm not really angry or necessarily feel wronged, other than I can't get a pro-rated amount back for unused services."

I think the negative opt out thing is pretty cheap too, and it would be fair for them to give back a pro-rated amount. However, the others are right. You read the rules of the agreement and clicked okay. It's a free market and you may choose avoid such a company, patronize its competitors, start your own, etc.

If you want to fight this practice, do it with public opinion. Create a website and write to newspapers that you think the policy is unfair and people shouldn't support companies that use it. Don't ask the government to interfere with your right to make an agreement.

1/16/2006 1:14:27 AM

hahahaha

yes
we're trolling you

you know who is really trolling you right now

the company you forgot to cancel with

they totally sent us (me and excoriator) pm's
and they were like
"lets get this guy good"

and we were like "O FO SHO"

and look where we are now

1/16/2006 1:24:24 AM

why is this shit still going?


this needs to be locked.

1/16/2006 2:02:24 AM

so basically his past 2 replies consist of OMG your trolling.... you suck... im right... ohh and i am owning you right now.... damn the guy lost hard

1/16/2006 3:00:14 AM

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"Thank you for making my point. We are allowing coporations smart opportunists to pray off of busy people. irresponsible dumbasses who aren't keen on self responsibility"

and they prey on you, not pray off of you.







Welcome to Hard America, the reason that we pretty much kick the shit out of the rest of the world.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 3:31 AM. Reason : asfd]

1/16/2006 3:28:44 AM

i mean the obvious point of negative opt out is for you to forget, everyone knows that. them offering pro-rated refunds would be totally against said policy. sure it seems shady, but it isnt any worse than other business practices that try to lock you into deals that you arent sure about.

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"they totally sent us (me and excoriator) pm's and they were like "lets get this guy good" and we were like "O FO SHO" and look where we are now"

i would bet on it. i've gotten a pm from woodfoot similar to this before. HE STRIKES AGAIN.

1/16/2006 9:46:16 AM

according to one tww user

75% of my posts are negative

i'm beginning to see his point

1/16/2006 10:26:42 AM

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"How about this for a slippery slope, what if every business selling similar services used negative opting out such that you don't have a choice in where you pick to do business?"

Simple, raise some capital and start your own company. Advertise the fact that "if you don't like our service, you can cancel at anytime for a full refund on unused service! Don't get railroaded into paying for service you don't want, like with our competitors!"

However, I suspect most people would not care enough to switch companies over something of such marginal importance.

1/16/2006 12:44:33 PM

lol

You fell for the "Free porn click here" scam.

Your computer now has a virus btw.

And some Russian probably bought a car with your Credit Card.

1/16/2006 1:03:47 PM

see shit like this only happens to crackers

1/16/2006 1:08:03 PM

cuz aint nobody give black ppl services without payment up front.

1/16/2006 2:08:28 PM

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"welcome to the free market, where businesses have the freedom to offer their own flavor of services and payment plans and where you have the freedom to decline their products"

Congrats on continuing to restate the obvious. You probably feel good with each "insult" you lob even though I moved on from that with my very first post. It's like, you claim gravity exists because apples fall and think you have stumbled upon some amazing observation.

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"Granted i dont know the deal specifically with netflix, but if its properly stated that if you dont cancel you will be charged, then you have no room to whine.... if that is the case then damn, your whining isnt even worth a thread..."

We can add you in to my previous statement.

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"You argue that the company in question should not be able to get away with doing this. So, in other words, you are complaining that you had the freedom to sign up for 1-month free service. "why didn't someone else stop me from making such a bone-head decision?" In other words, you are asking for your "right to make contracts" to be revoked, because that is what happened here. You were told the terms of your gamble, and you agreed."

Nice try with the strawman. Why don't you stick to the merits of negative opting out rather than traveling down some path of free market reasoning for allowing companies to do whatever they will. In that case I suppose you don't really feel to bad for the miners that were killed, correct? Please draw a line for me on what companies can and can't do.

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"i dont see the slippery slope. netflix is a luxury subscription service. if everyone decided to do it you could simply decide renting movies wasnt worth it (if you are THAT against negative opt out). on the other hand if you NEED the service, or feel like you need it (i certainly need to rent movies, it is one of my main activities)....do some research, pick a provider, and stick with their service."

Your second statement is quite a bit juxtaposed from your first. In the second you claim to need the service, comment about research, and finding a provider. This doesn't address the slippery slope that you addressed in the first paragraph. Mix your two statements together and you start to see the problem.

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"You know, just because somebody disagrees with you, that doesn't mean they're trolling."

There are plenty of comments this thread could do without.

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"However, the others are right. You read the rules of the agreement and clicked okay. It's a free market and you may choose avoid such a company, patronize its competitors, start your own, etc."

Again, I know what the current law is, I know what I signed up for. This is a debate on about whether corporations should be allowed to have this sort of construct. A free trial is clearly not a free trial if it requires additional action by the end user. A free trial should require addtional action at the end of the trial to continue the service.

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"Welcome to Hard America, the reason that we pretty much kick the shit out of the rest of the world. "

Well, not really but we'll leave that for another thread.

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"Simple, raise some capital and start your own company."

Simple!

1/16/2006 2:45:24 PM

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"Every time I've read this thread I lol'd...not b/c the point is funny per se, but just b/c it sounds like 1CYPHER was trying to get him some free pr0n..."

Thank God you said it, because I was starting to think "You know, this is just like all those porn sites I subscribe to for two days..."; but I thought it was just me being a porn-fiend.

I mean, I am a porn-fiend, but knowing other people thought it too makes me feel like not so much of a porn-fiend.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 3:15 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 3:14:39 PM

you talk about contradictions and missing the point. everyone in here has stated that they think companies SHOULD be able to do such things BECAUSE it isnt that hard to remember, adults can read and make informed decisions, the penalties and alternatives are clearly defined, etc.

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"Your second statement is quite a bit juxtaposed from your first. In the second you claim to need the service, comment about research, and finding a provider. This doesn't address the slippery slope that you addressed in the first paragraph. Mix your two statements together and you start to see the problem."

you're going to have to explain that to me. you're starting with the assumption that negative opt out is bad, i am not. oh noes, if one person can do it, everyone will!!! im saying if you think the company is bad, go to a competitor or dont participate. if for some reason you feel that you cannot do so, do some research and stick with a choice...it isnt a negative because you are no longer worried about opting out of a service you may or may not want.

what are we slipping towards? what are they using the negative opt out as a stepping stone towards? if you dont think the policy is so bad, theres nothing to fear. they arent taking any kind of rights from you or swindling america...i seriously dont see the issue.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 3:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 3:15:53 PM

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"There are plenty of comments this thread could do without."

like the first one

1/16/2006 3:18:19 PM