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NyM410
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Nobody gives a shit about most rivalries but that doesn't mean they arent important to a conference or region. No one in CA gave a fuck about Duke/UNC and Stanford/Cal was far more important.

The real issue is I hope CUSA does all they can to protect that ECU-So Miss rivalry..

^ DC. But it doesn't matter because they aren't worried about TV markets. Why would they be?

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 1:35 PM. Reason : D]

2/3/2012 1:34:09 PM

Ernie
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" was implying that having UNC/NCSU play once a year would not ruin rivalries or college basketball"


Don't be stupid.

2/3/2012 1:35:06 PM

hey now
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The Carter would intimidate the living shit out of Nick Saban.

2/3/2012 1:35:08 PM

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If the SEC was to raid the ACC...I could see them going for VTech, Clemson, FSU or Miami, or GTech.

VTech expands them to the North. VTech is a football school and would get them a hold in the DC/VA area.

Clemson gives them a natural rivalry for South Carolina.

FSU or Miami gets them another Florida school.

GTech gives them a instate rival for UGA

2/3/2012 1:36:41 PM

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"But it doesn't matter because they aren't worried about TV markets. Why would they be?"


um, more money for their conference?

2/3/2012 1:36:54 PM

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"FSU or Miami gets them another Florida school.
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Good point

USA gives them another Alabama school

What does Southern Miss give them?

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : Clemson/SC and GT/UGA are already annual games. SEC doesn't care about rivalries]

2/3/2012 1:37:35 PM

Steven
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no but if you make them conference games, you can expand your non-conference play.

2/3/2012 1:39:20 PM

Steven
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"No one in CA gave a fuck about Duke/UNC"


Have you actually been outside of ACC Land during the Duke/UNC rivalry game?

2/3/2012 1:39:54 PM

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Markets don't matter nearly as much for a league like the SEC. They're selling the brand of football, not any individual team. The beauty of the league is that any of half a dozen teams could be a NC contender any given year; its not like the PAC12 or BIG 10 where they have to hang their hopes on one or two schools. Teams from Gainesville, Baton Rouge, Athens, Auburn, Tuscaloosa, and Fayetteville have all been legit title contenders in the past half decade. Its not about having schools in the big cities...its about having people in the big cities who care about your product.

2/3/2012 1:40:57 PM

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TV markets is 100% of the reason for conference realignment...

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 1:41 PM. Reason : in the ACC's case anyway. ]

2/3/2012 1:41:17 PM

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having only one state/unc game in and of itself, obviously, does not ruin the rivalries in college basketball. however, it does severely damage one single rivalry, and as this trend continues due to conference expansion in other regions, college basketball will continue to be less and less relevant.

that's all i was saying in my salty rant.

btw, SEC expansion, who gives a shit.

2/3/2012 1:42:34 PM

NyM410
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Uh yeah, I lived there for four years and near NYC for 17. Literally no one talked about it at school/work/parties/etc.

And Slave summed up my thoughts well..

2/3/2012 1:42:46 PM

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"Markets don't matter nearly as much for a league like the SEC"


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"its about having people in the big cities who care about your product."


What?

2/3/2012 1:44:11 PM

ncsuftw1
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it doesn't even matter if they care, which is why BC in Boston sort of works for the ACC right now, advertisers pay for potential audience, not the actual audience

2/3/2012 1:45:05 PM

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@Spooner, how is that? have you ever heard of less is more? The less you have of something, the more valuable it is? Makes the game bigger when it happens....thats where I am coming from.

@NYM, so you have been in NYC and North Carolina. two places. Pretty small sample area.

2/3/2012 1:48:42 PM

NyM410
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Fwiw the SEC regional games are broadcasted in CLT already..

^ and San Francisco

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 1:49 PM. Reason : X]

2/3/2012 1:48:54 PM

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yeah this is bullshit. pretty disappointed that we won't get a home and home with unc every year in bball anymore.

2/3/2012 1:49:49 PM

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Might as well discuss us moving to the English Premier League. It's just as likely to happen.

2/3/2012 1:50:32 PM

NyM410
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And just so I'm clear Duke-UNC is a much more far reaching bball rivalry than we have with anyone. But that is tangential to any conversation we are having..

2/3/2012 1:51:29 PM

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"Clemson gives them a natural rivalry for South Carolina.

FSU or Miami gets them another Florida school.

GTech gives them a instate rival for UGA
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these all make so much sense, since the SEC has made it absolutely clear that they aren't going to expand by adding schools in states they already have a member in.

i don't really expect much from a unc/ecu fan though.

2/3/2012 1:53:01 PM

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"And just so I'm clear Duke-UNC is a much more far reaching bball rivalry than we have with anyone."


Tell us more.

2/3/2012 1:53:20 PM

NyM410
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Sky is blue. Grass is green. Mets suck ass.

2/3/2012 1:54:17 PM

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nobody cares about the SEC games in Charlotte except for the SC fans and other Bama/LSU/etc transplants...obviously a game like Alabama/LSU this regular season had lots of interest nationwide, but nobody in north carolina gives a shit about Kentucky vs. Ole Miss or Georgia vs. Vandy...the entire state of north carolina is ACC Country

however if the SEC took UNC or NCSU, they'd immediately make people in two top-30 markets care about the conference...i dont see it happening because the other schools wouldnt let it since it would destroy the ACC

2/3/2012 1:55:31 PM

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2/3/2012 1:55:44 PM

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" dont see it happening because the other schools wouldnt let it"


the other schools can't do shit if a school pays the exit fee.

2/3/2012 1:57:04 PM

TreeTwista10
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other schools = commissioner, conference board of trustees, etc

i'm no expert on the procedures but i think they could at minimum delay it for decades

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM. Reason : didnt make sense]

2/3/2012 1:57:57 PM

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with an 18 game schedule, surely there was a better way to do it....should've increased the # of home and home partners instead of reducing.

If it wasn't for the duke/carolina home and home they would have done away with guaranteed rivalries alltogether.

2/3/2012 2:01:30 PM

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What most folks who want greener pastures for State fail to realize is that the school, save for maybe the RBC center, doesn’t have a single standout feature that would attract suitors. Expansion should only occur when there’s a clear benefit for both parties. Expanding just for the sake of expanding is why we’re stuck with the current clusterfuck. Put yourself in the shoes of an SEC AD objectively looking at State…what do we add to the conference? Our football and basketball teams are mediocre at best. Our football stadium is nothing special. Our academics aren’t bowling anyone over. Our market isn’t sought after. Our track record over the past few decades in both revenue sports is lacking. Point is, for those of you who think we’re SEC material, why would they want State?

2/3/2012 2:03:51 PM

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"REVIVE THE DIXIE CLASSIC!"

2/3/2012 2:04:48 PM

TreeTwista10
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"what do we add to the conference?"


the 5th and 6th largest TV markets in the SEC

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM. Reason : always the dollars, always the fucking dollars]

2/3/2012 2:05:40 PM

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@ steven: less is more? oh, ok, so we should be GLAD that we'll have a home game against our biggest rival only once every 3-4 years, because it'll make it more special?? come on, you know that's BS. i may have been a bit dramatic with my post, but there is absolutely nothing positive about this for NC State fans. nothing at all.

i mean, for future students, this really sucks. i got to camp out for a home game against UNC in reynolds every year, they now get to do some lottery thingy to get crappy seats in the RBC to watch home games against BC. lawd. sad times indeed.

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:07 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2012 2:05:41 PM

NyM410
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"the 5th and 6th largest TV markets in the SEC"


Houston, Dallas-FW, Atlanta, Tampa, Miami-FL, New Orleans and St Louis are all SEC markets larger than CLT/RDU

2/3/2012 2:11:11 PM

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i forgot about Missouri

should've included Houston

Dallas is Big XII

i included Tampa, Atlanta and Miami

New Orleans is fucking tiny

1. Atlanta
2. Houston
3. Tampa
4. Miami
5. Orlando?
6. St. Louis
7. Charlotte
8. Raleigh

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2012 2:13:10 PM

NyM410
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Dallas is B12/SEC now. Also you're correct about NO.

Crazy that RDU is the 11th largest market in the new ACC (though they include Philly?)

2/3/2012 2:15:51 PM

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the reason the SEC is so good is because they dont do retarded things like invite boston college for the "market"

2/3/2012 2:17:12 PM

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^^Philly doesn't make a lot of sense on the ACC list, even with BC and Cuse

^in fairness, BC hasn't always been this shitty in football

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:19 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2012 2:17:31 PM

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Agreed, no one in Philly cares about any ACC product, current or future. If they care about college sports at all, it's Penn State football and Big 4 basketball (Temple, Nova, St. Joe's, Penn).

For some reason I all of a sudden want some roasted chicken...Boston market...mmmm.

2/3/2012 2:23:36 PM

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The Kansas City market is also slightly larger than either Charlotte or RDU.

2/3/2012 2:24:26 PM

TreeTwista10
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^^Boston College Market roasted chicken is extra slow roasted, and when its almost done, the employees yell out a countdown from 10

^close

24. Charlotte
27. Raleigh
31. Kansas City

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM. Reason : http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets]

2/3/2012 2:25:00 PM

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"less is more? oh, ok, so we should be GLAD that we'll have a home game against our biggest rival only once every 3-4 years, because it'll make it more special?? come on, you know that's BS. i may have been a bit dramatic with my post, but there is absolutely nothing positive about this for NC State fans. nothing at all. "


umm..that's not my understanding of the new schedule. I thought it would be a home and away one year, a home game one year, then a road game another year. Meaning two home games in three years, not great, but not one home game every 3-4 years.

2/3/2012 2:27:32 PM

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I don’t know why you insist on wasting our time with your market size evaluation. We’ve already established that for the purposes of this argument, it means dick. Why you should be focusing on is the covariance between State and similar candidates, both from an on the field and monetary perspective. Like you said, the dollar is king, but perception is almost as important. The lure of bringing NC State to a conference just doesn’t get anyone excited.

2/3/2012 2:29:26 PM

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i feel like this new scheduling will somehow make us not play duke in football again for like 15 years.

2/3/2012 2:29:29 PM

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^^^^ nice!

^^^ yeah, that's probably more like it, i just am pissed off right now and felt like getting extra salty. like that slow roasted boston college market chicken.

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:29 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:31 PM. Reason : ..]

2/3/2012 2:29:34 PM

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"Boston College Market"


Now thinking about grabbing some Boston Market for late lunch

2/3/2012 2:31:31 PM

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SF aside from Texas or VT, I'd be interested in what schools you think the SEC would go after. Do you think them expanding is all about making their football better?

Cause I still believe that for the purposes of this argument, market size is one of the only things that does matter

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2012 2:34:33 PM

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Meh, I was going by metro area size and population.

But yeah, like Slave Famous keeps on saying and as I said a page ago... NCSU brings nothing to the table aside from getting you a small share of the NC TV market. It would be a different story if they were to add UNC. You get the NC market, plus national recognition in basketball, plus some really nice connections within the media world. That's one thing that never gets mentioned with us adding Syracuse. Syracuse has a ton of grads working in the world of journalism. It's going to help with coverage of the ACC, believe that.

2/3/2012 2:35:17 PM

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UNC offers more than NCSU but both schools give you the same markets

hadn't really considered the media connection aspect

2/3/2012 2:36:45 PM

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Greensboro, too. Plus there's an SEC alt channel on TWC. Auburn/Miss. St and Arkansas/LSU basketball at the same time!! SEC country!!

2/3/2012 2:44:08 PM

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Personally, I think the SEC was misguided in going from 12 to 14. Texas A&M is a nice get that will really pay dividends recruiting wise, but Missouri is basically UNC Midwest minus the prestige. I feel they struck preemptively before other conferences could gobble up their potential targets, but 12 worked just fine. If they wanted to poach a few schools later, they would have had their pick. I’d stick with 14 for at least the next five years to see how it played out. ND and Texas always have an open invitation any time they want, but beyond that, there isn’t really any school out there that’s really a good fit. If they insist on going to 16, I’d call VT and Maryland. But I’d really prefer the status quo.

2/3/2012 2:44:12 PM

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also dunno how closely you follow high school football in this state, but its gotten a lot better in the last 10 years or so...we're no Texas/Florida/Cali but we're on the rise...if they added any team from this conference, that school would probably get an immediate boost in in-state recruiting

Duke and UNC each got 3 in-state recruits this year, we got 2 (heard this stat, i THINK its just referring to 4* players?)

whereas the top 2 running backs in the state both went to Georgia

[Edited on February 3, 2012 at 2:48 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2012 2:48:05 PM

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