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Dentaldamn
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Lolz

4/18/2017 2:45:24 PM

TerdFerguson
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That 16th amendment tho?

4/18/2017 3:48:57 PM

beatsunc
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^big mistake

i dont get how so many people dont seem to mind the govt reads their sensitive financial documents with no warrant. maybe its just me tho

4/18/2017 5:36:28 PM

Dentaldamn
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It's just you tho bro

4/19/2017 12:21:45 AM

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It's just you tho bro

[Edited on April 19, 2017 at 1:32 AM. Reason : and your favorite "performance artist" false-flag throwing BFF Alex Jones]

4/19/2017 1:31:00 AM

beatsunc
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^ huh? Alex Jones? WTF you talkin about

4/19/2017 4:45:51 AM

beatsunc
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repeal the Sixteenth Amendment!

Quote :
"The Constitution, then, kept the federal government off balance and weak. And a weak government is the corollary of a strong people.

The Sixteenth Amendment changed all that. In the first place, by enabling the federal government to put its hands into the pockets and pay envelopes of the people, it drew their allegiance away from their local governments. It made them citizens of the United States rather than of their respective states. Theft loyalty followed theft money, which was now taken from them not by their local representatives, over whom they had some control, but by the representatives of the other forty-seven states. They became subject to the will of the central government, and their state of subjection was emphasized by every increase in the income tax levies.

The state governments likewise lost more and more of their autonomy. Not only was their source of revenue being dried up by federal preemption, so that they had less and less for the social services a government should provide, but they were compelled in their extremity to apply to the central authorities for help. In so doing they necessarily gave up some of their independence. They found it difficult to stand up to the institution from which they had to beg grants-in-aid. Furthermore, the federal government was in position to demand subservience from the state governments as a condition for subventions. It has now become politically wise for governors, legislators, and congressmen to "play ball" with the central government; they have been reduced to being procurement officers for the citizens who elect them. The economic power which the federal government secured by the Sixteenth Amendment enabled it to bribe the state governments, as well as the citizens, into submission to its will.

In that way, the whole spirit of the Union and of its Constitution has been liquidated. Income taxation has made of the United States as completely centralized a nation as any that went before it; the very kind of establishment the Founding Fathers abhorred was set up by this simple change in the tax laws. This is no longer the "home of the free," and what bravery remains is traceable to a tradition that is fast losing ground.

For those of us who still believe that freedom is best, the way is clear: we must concentrate on the correction of the mistake of 1913. The Sixteenth Amendment must be repealed. Nothing less will do. For it is only because it has this enormous revenue that the federal government is able to institute procedures that violate the individual's right to himself and his property; enforcement agencies must be paid. With the repeal of the amendment, the socialistic measures visited upon us these past thirty years will vanish.

The purchase of elections with federal money will no longer be possible. And the power and dignity of the home governments will be restored.

This measure should be supported by the governors and legislators of all the states. Every state in the Union now contributes in income taxes to the federal government more than it gets back in grants-in-aid; this is inevitable, because the cost of maintaining the huge federal machinery must come out of the taxes before the citizen can get anything. With the abolition of income taxation the states will be better able to serve its citizens, and because the state governments are closer and more responsive to the will of the people, there is greater chance that the citizens will get their full dollar's worth in services.

However, the principal argument for the repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment is that only in that way can freedom from an interventionist government be restored to the American people."


[Edited on April 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM. Reason : h]

4/17/2018 7:59:53 PM

dtownral
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Did you quote Alex Jones?

4/17/2018 8:30:50 PM

beatsunc
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Quote :
"Taxation Is Robbery
Taxpayers do not sign any contract agreeing to pay the government taxes for "services rendered." Consent is not required. In matters of taxation, one either hands over tax money to the State or the state throws the tax "cheat" in a cage. Taxation is nothing more than the violent expropriation of one’s private property to the State. Moreover, through taxation, the State claims legitimate ownership over the property of every potential taxpayer. If we take this to its natural conclusion, taxation is just any other form of robbery, and tax evasion is simply resisting theft.

A "Crime" Without a Victim
A true crime implies a victim. For a crime to occur, however, one must deliberately violate the self-ownership and private property rights of another person or persons. In matters of taxation, tax evasion is not the crime, taxation is. If one calls a bank and informs them that they will rob the bank the very next day, it would be entirely logical for the bank to move its money elsewhere. In the same way this is the case, it is entirely logical for a property owner to move their funds to countries with lower taxes so that they may avoid the oppressively higher taxes one experiences in the United States.

When one is convicted of tax evasion, the State is punishing an individual for acting in their own self interest; the State is punishing an individual for protecting their own property from theft. While the power-elites may have declared tax evasion criminal, it is only through man-made legislation that inherently violates the natural rights of every self-owning person.

Tax Evasion Laws as Political Tools
The US tax code exceeds 70,000 pages. It takes more than 3 billion hours per year just to comply with the tax code. The IRS is fortunately unable to punish every instance of tax evasion. No bureaucracy is large enough to detect every violation and rectify said violation. It is quite clear that the IRS will use tax evasion law as a means to take down people the government doesn’t like, but is unable to convict of a crime. One of the earlier instances of this was the imprisonment of mobster Al Capone. Now, the State is doing the same thing to Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen.

“The FBI always gets their guy” is a common mantra in the justice community. But this is only the case because America’s laws are so intricate that it is easy to find proof that someone has committed at least one felony. The FBI always gets their guy not because they are just, but because they investigate persons in search of a crime. In a true system of justice, they would only investigate crimes (actual crimes with actual victims, mind you) in search of a person.

In other words, tax evasion is the mere crime of attempting to keep what is yours. The only way to accept the legitimacy of such a charge is to accept the legitimacy of a monopoly on violence systematically stealing the property of the people. Those who are convicted of tax evasion should not be seen as crooks. Rather, they should be seen as victims of the omnipotent State."

4/16/2019 7:21:59 PM

rwoody
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Lol

4/16/2019 7:42:09 PM

beatsunc
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^gotta be nice to think a very significant amount of your income being taken without consent is funny. you must have a shit ton of loot



[Edited on April 16, 2019 at 7:59 PM. Reason : s]

4/16/2019 7:55:34 PM

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4/16/2019 8:02:10 PM

moron
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“Without consent”

4/16/2019 8:37:42 PM

beatsunc
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con·sent
/k?n'sent/
noun
1.
permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.
"no change may be made without the consent of all the partners"

i hate to be wrong. someone post a link or something and i'll look into it

[Edited on April 16, 2019 at 9:11 PM. Reason : h]

4/16/2019 9:09:39 PM

Dentaldamn
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I consent to paying taxes.

What’s the problem here?

4/16/2019 9:46:50 PM

moron
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^^
https://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/

We're more or less a democracy so...

4/17/2019 12:33:41 AM

beatsunc
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^^good for you

^slavery is a social construct. doesnt make it morally just. thanks tho

[Edited on April 17, 2019 at 5:43 AM. Reason : s]

4/17/2019 5:40:37 AM

Dentaldamn
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Well to use this logic, does anyone force you to live in the USA? Are you required to live where you live? Several countries in Eastern Europe have very low income taxes.


Also let’s be serious. Anyone complaining about this doesn’t make enough money for anyone to care.

4/17/2019 7:02:16 AM

wdprice3
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TaXaTiOn Is ThEfT!

4/17/2019 7:14:39 AM

dtownral
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4/17/2019 8:22:43 AM

marko
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lol eXEmPt PrIvaTE

4/17/2019 8:56:31 AM

moron
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^^^^^
That article has nothing to do with “social constructs” it’s clear you didn’t even click the link, let alone read it, it looks like you tried to guess what it was about based on the URL

4/17/2019 5:45:05 PM

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