we had lost 6 of our last 8.

1/30/2006 9:56:37 PM

we still have time to break into a midseason slump.

But if we wait too long it'll be an end-of-season slump.

1/30/2006 9:57:51 PM

i think were too balanced to have a long term slump.

1/30/2006 9:59:29 PM

I think we're benefiting immensely from a down year in the ACC.

This year's team would be .500 at best versus last year's conference.

1/30/2006 10:06:59 PM

How so?

We owned GT last year with a team that wasn't as good. That leaves UNC, WFU, and Duke, which is at most five losses.

1/30/2006 10:10:30 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=284683

probobly the thread i am most proud of

1/30/2006 10:18:34 PM

People like Fuel never give Herb any credit. Come on now. We are in 2nd in what is still prolly the 2nd or 3rd best conference this year.

1/30/2006 10:28:57 PM

^^^thats bad logic

Last year's GT team would probably beat us this year because they were so athletic. We've shown over the last few games that we cannot defend an athletic team, especially when we've got our whities on the court.


^dude, we're not that good. I wish we were, but we're not a top-15 team until we fix our defensive problems.

[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 10:31 PM. Reason : 2]

1/30/2006 10:29:02 PM

last years pac10 was better than this years acc...nuff said

1/30/2006 10:30:41 PM

If college basketball is so down this year, then how are we not a top 15 team?

And this year's team is the same as last year's team minus Hodge. So we basically switched Bennerman with Hodge and Simmons with Collins. Not a bad trade off to me. How would last year's Tech team beat our team this year that is wayyyyyy better?

1/30/2006 10:35:19 PM

I said the ACC is down this year, not all of college BBall.

Quote :

"How would last year's Tech team beat our team this year that is wayyyyyy better? "

Transitive properties don't work in sports. They would be a matchup nightmare for this team. And as I'm trying to say, we aren't wayyyyyy better than last year. We might not be better at all.

1/30/2006 10:37:49 PM

Quote :

"Transitive properties don't work in sports"

i wish EVERYBODY would understand this, but nobody does

1/30/2006 10:39:10 PM

I'll admit that the ACC is down this year, and we would probably be worse in last years conference, but there's no way we would be as bad as we were.

Also, I think college basketball as a whole is down a little. You look at the top 15 teams and tell me that we cant beat any of them on a given night...you cant do it. The gap between the tops and bottoms of leagues around the country is a lot smaller this year.

Thats not saying we're better than the top 10 teams, but we're definately better than a few teams ranked ahead of us, and anyone can beat anyone this year.

Nobody is invincible, everyone needs to stop talking about which conferences are better than other conferences. Its clear that the Big East is damn good this year, but you cant judge the whole season on two games played last week (seton hall/georgetown).

1/30/2006 10:41:29 PM

Quote :

"Transitive properties don't work in sports. They would be a matchup nightmare for this team. And as I'm trying to say, we aren't wayyyyyy better than last year. We might not be better at all. "

you know, I also thought we would get our asses smashed by GT the last 2 years, and we didnt. We beat them twice when they went to the Championship game. We beat them twice last year when they were supposed to be a hell of a lot better than they were...returning almost everyone from the year before.

This NC State team is a lot better than anyone thought it could be, and I think a lot of that has to do with J-Ho being gone. I mean he was great and all, but instead of staring at him and picking our noses, we're actually playing ball.

1/30/2006 10:44:45 PM

Ohh ok. We aren't better than last year's team that went 21-14 and 7-9 in the conference. The same team that lost at home to FSU and UVA. I guess this year's team at 16-4 and 5-2 isn't any good just because the conference is down.

1/30/2006 10:46:24 PM

We lost at home to Seton Hall. We have plenty of chances to lose to some more unranked teams at home.

Last year's team made it to the sweet 16, and beat a #2 seed in the Tourney. I like how you overlook those little details.

1/30/2006 10:51:38 PM

Ok, for fucks sakes, stop saying the reason we are better is because Hodge is gone. I really can't think of a more ridiculous statement. It's just like if someone were to say the Laker's would be better without Kobe being there and taking so many shots. Yes, Hodge threw up a lot of shots, but who else on last years team would you want taking those shots? The single, number one reason this team is better than last years team is because we have a healthy Tony Bethel. Bottom line. We actually have one person on our team that knows how to dribble. Simmon's evolving into a dominant inside presence helps to, but if you look around college bball, there is absolutely nothing more important than having a good point guard capable of taking the ball up the floor. Bethel is the key to this team, and especially when he is shooting well, we are pretty damn tough to beat. Saying we are better because one of the best players in this school's history is gone is the absolute dumbest and most untrue thing you can say.

1/30/2006 10:51:55 PM

Quote :

"Ok, for fucks sakes, stop saying the reason we are better is because Hodge is gone."

Who said anything about losing him making us better? He was THE REASON we beat UConn.

^^We haven't even played in the tournament this year so why don't you give us a chance? We usually play well in the ACC and NCAA tourney under Herb, so what's wrong with a better regular season to get a better seed?

[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 10:54 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/30/2006 10:53:25 PM

^

Quote :

"This NC State team is a lot better than anyone thought it could be, and I think a lot of that has to do with J-Ho being gone."

And it's been said many times before this season in other threads, I guess I finally got sick of reading it.

1/30/2006 10:54:56 PM

^you're retarded

Read what I said after that

Hodge was great, but this year other people are forced to step up, and the other team doesnt know who its gonna be, which gives us a little bit of an advantage.

I'm basically saying that we relied too heavily on him. Thats not something you can do in this offense. Period. If you dont agree with that, then you are stupid.

[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 10:57 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 10:58 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2006 10:57:05 PM

You're still saying our team is better off without Hodge. I don't care what you say after that, that alone is a ridiculous statement and makes anything else you say meaningless. I mean shit, I guess Duke will be better without J.J. Redick, since now we won't know if it's going to be Paulus or Melchioni taking the shots

[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 11:02 PM. Reason : :]

1/30/2006 11:01:36 PM

Quote :

" I mean he was great and all, but instead of staring at him and picking our noses, we're actually playing ball."

I like it.

^You aren't getting it man. We are a TEAM now not just Julius.

[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 11:06 PM. Reason : ^]

1/30/2006 11:01:37 PM

Quote :

"J-Ho"

seriously, who the fucked calls him that or has called him that in the past? absolutely rediculous

1/30/2006 11:05:59 PM

^^^Its also ridiculous to extrapolate hodge's situation on this team to JJ on Duke's team. Hodge didnt drop 30 a night, and he went in slumps where he couldnt hit the ocean with his shot if he was standing in it. Our offense also wasnt built to go to hodge like Dukes is for JJ, or the Lakers is for Kobe.

You cant understand basketball, and at the same time not admit that we're probably better off without Hodge this year. Every fucking expert in america looks at our success and at least considers the fact that we relied on Julius too much.

So shut the fuck up about it...I'm right, you're wrong, quit being a bitch.

^I had already typed too much...and learn how to spell "ridiculous"



[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 11:11 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2006 11:09:15 PM

wow, you really got me with that one, i guess i'll have to quit tww due to spelling errors

1/30/2006 11:12:59 PM

one call out deserves another buddy

1/30/2006 11:16:34 PM

i think its a safe bet that more people would call you out for using "j-ho" as opposed to my spelling error

1/30/2006 11:24:46 PM

Quote :

"Last year's team made it to the sweet 16, and beat a #2 seed in the Tourney. I like how you overlook those little details."

...so this team isn't as strong because it hasn't made the Sweet 16 this year?

Oookaaaaaaaayyyy...

1/30/2006 11:26:03 PM

^^I'm pretty sure more people would call you out for being a faggoty tool than me for using J-Ho as shorthand for Julius Hodge on a message board. Its not like I refer to him as that in normal conversation

If you dont have anything better to do than call me out for that, then go kill yourself. I only made the spelling comment since you wanted to be so nitpicky with me dumbshit.

1/30/2006 11:37:25 PM

wow

1/30/2006 11:38:51 PM

I agree that "J-Ho" is the worst abbreviation ever.

1/30/2006 11:42:40 PM

/acting like 3 year olds

1/30/2006 11:50:48 PM

BITCH BITCH BITCH

watch the rest of the season and enjoy

1/30/2006 11:52:47 PM

at least half of last year's losses were FT issues

1/31/2006 12:00:08 AM

We shoot free throws?

1/31/2006 12:05:44 AM

Quote :

"but we're not a top-15 team until we fix our defensive problems."

^thank you, someone else realized it... everyone focuses on our offense and that we run princeton but didnt against duke and how are we gonna change it blah blah blah...

bottom line is our defense HAS been shitty the last three games... FOR a top 15 team, but hey, if thats how we play, thats how we play, it just doesnt look like a top 15 defense right now

1/31/2006 12:09:18 AM

winning is winning

1/31/2006 12:33:32 AM

not really

[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 12:34 AM. Reason : sdf]

1/31/2006 12:34:01 AM

so i guess we should ignore the fact that 3 of our 4 losses have been to ranked teams on the road

1/31/2006 12:37:10 AM

- we wont have to play ranked teams in the tournament.
- it's ok to skate by on shitty defense. Since this has started, we have lost 50% of our games due to shitty defense, 1 to an unranked opponent at home, and it took two overtimes to take care of a perennial acc bottom feeder that scored on us at will.

But a win loss is a win!

[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 12:45 AM. Reason : sdf]

1/31/2006 12:44:49 AM

I once pooped a tape recorder

1/31/2006 12:46:00 AM

OMG WE ARE SO MUCH WORSE THAN LAST YEAR BECAUSE WEVE WON MORE GAMES

1/31/2006 12:46:46 AM

I LOST SO I WILL ERECT A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT IN ALL CAPS!!!

1/31/2006 12:48:14 AM

im sorry, we are a stronger team at this point in the season than we were at the same time during last year's season

and you know what im using to make this assertion?

wins vs losses

1/31/2006 12:53:38 AM

^now find in this thread where anyone claimed otherwise, retard.

1/31/2006 12:55:21 AM

the point of this thread was to illustrate that we are in better shape than we were last year

i was merely agreeing when i said winning is winning and none of our losses were bad

i guess that makes me retarded

1/31/2006 1:12:26 AM

uh huh.

1/31/2006 1:25:13 AM

We're doing better than last year but the Seton Hall loss was bad

Bad bad

1/31/2006 1:27:38 AM

I love lamp

1/31/2006 1:35:42 AM

last year instead of a game to just one bad bad team we lost to a few of them.

Quote :

"I think we're benefiting immensely from a down year in the ACC. This year's team would be .500 at best versus last year's conference. "

btw we were under 500 in the acc last year so youre saying this team is better, correct?


[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 1:38 AM. Reason : .]

1/31/2006 1:37:02 AM