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renegadegirl
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Bush's State of the Union Address was really misleading.

This just goes to show how easy it is for politicians to pick a choose numbers and issues that make things sound better then the truth is, but boy doesn't it make them sound good!

This report won't settle well with most republicans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/01/AR2006020100029.html

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"Assertions on Spying, Jobs And Spending Invite Debate

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Write
Wednesday, February 1, 2006; Page A13

In his State of the Union address last night, President Bush waded right in the middle of the debate over his warrantless domestic eavesdropping program, making a number of assertions that have been subject to intense debate.

For instance, Bush strongly suggested that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks could have been prevented if the phone calls of two hijackers had been monitored under the program. This echoes an assertion made earlier this year by Vice President Cheney.

The president traditionally selects a cabinet secretary to be kept in an undisclosed location during the State of the Union address, in order to assure continuity in government in the event of an attack on the U.S. Capitol. What is the term used to describe this cabinet secretary?
But the Sept. 11 commission and congressional investigators said the government had compiled significant information on the two suspects before the attacks and that bureaucratic problems -- not a lack of information -- were the main reasons for the security breakdown. The FBI did not even know where the two suspects lived and missed numerous opportunities to track them down in the 20 months before the attacks.

Bush also asserted that "previous presidents have used the same constitutional authority I have." But the most recent example cited by the administration -- involving actions by President Bill Clinton -- is hotly disputed by Democrats who say the current and past situations are not comparable.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which required the executive branch to get approval from a secret court before conducting wiretaps within the United States, was silent on warrantless physical searches of suspected spies or terrorists. So the Clinton administration asserted that it had the authority to conduct such "black bag" jobs, including searches of CIA turncoat Aldrich Ames's house, which turned up evidence of his spying for Russia.

Clinton later sought amendments to FISA that brought physical searches, as well as wiretaps, under the FISA framework. Bush has never sought such amendments, and he did not publicly acknowledge the program until it was revealed in news reports.

In other sections of his speech, Bush omitted context or made rhetorical claims that are open to question.

Referring to Iraq, he said the United States is "continuing reconstruction efforts." He did not use the word "spending" because officials say the administration does not intend to seek any new funds for Iraq reconstruction in the budget request to be submitted to Congress this month. About $18 billion was previously budgeted, and $16 billion of that has been committed, but nearly a third was devoted to security and law enforcement.

At another point, Bush said the number of jobs went up by 4.6 million in the past two and half years. There was a reason he chose not to start from the beginning of his presidency -- that would have brought the net number of added jobs down to 2 million over the five-year period.

Bush also made a pair of contradictory pledges on the budget. He said the budget deficit -- which has soared during his presidency -- is on track to decline by half by 2009. But he also urged a permanent extension of his tax cuts, due to expire in five years. The Congressional Budget Office says this would send the budget deficit soaring after 2011.

The president said he has reduced "the growth" of non-security discretionary spending. This only means it did not increase as much from year to year. Moreover, overall discretionary spending has exploded during his tenure, especially when military spending is included. White House budget documents show that overall discretionary spending has climbed from $644 billion in 2001 to $840 billion this year, an increase of more than 30 percent.

Looked at another way, discretionary spending as a share of the overall economy is at its highest level in 13 years, according to the CBO.

Bush made a plea for cutting imports of oil, saying it is "often imported from unstable parts of the world." But the two biggest suppliers of oil to the United States are very stable neighbors -- Canada and Mexico. Only three of the 10 biggest suppliers are from the Middle East -- Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Algeria.

At several points in his speech, Bush made odd rhetorical leaps.

He repeatedly warned against the dangers of "isolationism," but the Democratic leadership has not called for isolationist policies, and polls show that the American public has little interest in them.

Bush ended his address with a stirring image that "every great movement of history comes to a point of choosing." But then he said, "The United States could have accepted the permanent division of Europe, and been complicit in the oppression of others."

This is historically misleading. At the end of World War II, the United States allowed the division of Europe between Soviet and Western spheres, though it drew the line at giving up West Berlin. And the United States permitted the Soviet Union's grabbing of large parts of other countries -- or even whole countries, such as the Baltic states.

Bush should know this. In May, he flew to Latvia and declared that the United States bore some blame for "the division of Europe into armed camps" -- what he called "one of the greatest wrongs of history."

Researcher Zachary A. Goldfarb contributed to this report.

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[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 9:32 PM. Reason : a]

2/1/2006 9:27:33 PM

30thAnnZ
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skippidy doo da to christopher reeve
sonny bono, skis, horses and hittin' some trees

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 9:28 PM. Reason : *]

2/1/2006 9:28:32 PM

marko
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RIP SUPERMAN

2/1/2006 9:29:19 PM

Sputter
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"Bush's State of the Union Address was a really misleading. "



Whatta you, an Italian an immigrant or somethin?

2/1/2006 9:31:32 PM

renegadegirl
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yes and the leader of the Mafia... so watch your back

2/1/2006 9:34:21 PM

quiet guy
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mama mia

2/1/2006 10:31:21 PM

JayMCnasty
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everyone knows bush is retarded, rich people just like him cause they get to keep more of their money

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 5:34 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 5:34:03 AM

theDuke866
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didn't really read it yet

saw this, though:

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"he Democratic leadership has not called for isolationist policies"


hell yeah they have. wanting an immediate pullout from iraq? protectionist economic policies?


of course, some Republicans seem to want to build a wall between us and Mexico and really clamp down on immigration, so that's kind of isolationist, too (although not the President)

2/2/2006 7:30:25 AM

marko
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i thought it was liberals who loved free trade

2/2/2006 9:32:24 AM

bigun20
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"rich people just like him cause they get to keep more of their money"


And how about the poor people. Why do they like him? A president dosent win two terms just off rich peoples votes.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 9:34 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 9:33:32 AM

eraser
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/13768901.htm

One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic advisor said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.

2/2/2006 10:34:38 AM

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"And how about the poor people. Why do they like him? A president dosent win two terms just off rich peoples votes."

A lot of them hate faggits and ragheads, just like ol' Bushy.

2/2/2006 10:56:22 AM

JWHWolf
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Washington Post and Miami Herald.... Just to make your point with a little more "accuracy" and without "misleading" information, go ask Dan Rather or Mary Mapes....

Liberals are liberal with the facts....

Liberals, Soft on terrorists...Hard on fetuses

2/2/2006 12:14:05 PM

Gamecat
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Please. I'd love to see you show us an example of WaPos inaccurate reporting.

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"wanting an immediate pullout from iraq?"


= islationist policy?

*sigh*

2/2/2006 12:25:15 PM

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