cant even turn on the tv without hearing something about the refs blew the game. im tired of it.

1. jackson extended his arm which gave him enough separation, questionable call? maybe but he did extend him arm so you cant complain.

2. they ruled ben's run a td. there was not enough evidence to overturn that. if anything he nicked the goal line before he went to the ground.

3. that was a clear holding by locklear or whoever it was so i dont know what youre complaining about.

4. that was probably a bad call on the low block but that didnt change the game.

basically seattle had to cheat to score off plays. sorry, cant do that. stop whining.

ps: you have 2 missed field goals, horrible clock management, and you just sucked.

2/7/2006 10:34:40 AM

2nd

2/7/2006 10:37:09 AM

1) that was a ticky tack call

2) i dont think he got in, but the ruling on the field was that he did (thanks to the overzealous line judge that made the call when it orginally looked like he was going to measure) and it was too close to overturn

2 momentum killers for Seattle, yes, i dont think Pittsburg woulda went for that WR toss play if they were behind. Would the Steelers have lost? Maybe. It just woulda beena a better game to watch

Go Bucs 2007

2/7/2006 10:37:35 AM

and it's not only seattle who has complained about officiating, all the media has too. are you going to tell them to "shut their fucking whining"

[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 10:46 AM. Reason : idiot]

2/7/2006 10:45:24 AM

yea i am, everyone is over-hyping this referee stuff. seriously, seattle had their chances and they did not capitalize. starting close to midfield on their first 3 drives. they can complain all they want, but in th end, they did not win the game, they blew it.

2/7/2006 10:49:00 AM

it was more like a whomever played less worse won Super Bowl

2/7/2006 10:49:57 AM

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"ps: you have 2 missed field goals, horrible clock management, and you just sucked. "

well said

2/7/2006 10:50:35 AM

What about that push-off called on the TD the seahawks had? That was BS.

2/7/2006 10:51:55 AM

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"it was more like a whomever played less worse won Super Bowl"

THATS THE TRUTH!!...THAT BEING SAID....SEATTLE STILL DIDN'T MAKE PLAYS....GAME OVER.....HOLGREM WAS OUTCOACHED ON THIS GAME

2/7/2006 10:54:04 AM

you mean Holmgren was out-reffed in this game.

2/7/2006 11:00:31 AM

I'm not saying that Seattle would have won - but the officiating was HORRIBLE.

And by HORRIBLE I mean almost as bad as the teams played.

[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 11:02 AM. Reason : []

2/7/2006 11:02:28 AM

Roethlisberger not really scoring the TD - BS (wtf was the ref thinking)

the DJax ticky tack PI - questionable

the DJax touchdown that was ruled incomplete that madden/michaels didn't even question except michaels saying "ooh" - DJax had one foot down and one foot hit the pilon, clearly a TD

locklear holding - BS

Hasselbecks low block - BS

Roethlisberger getting a timeout when the playclock was at 0 - BS

Joey Porters horse collar (the only play he made the whole game) - BS

Warrick's punt return (I didn't see any holding) - questionable

that's pretty bad, and even though you can say "the steelers still would have won," the rest of us were robbed of a good, fairly officiated game.

[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 11:10 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2006 11:09:35 AM

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"Roethlisberger not really scoring the TD - BS (wtf was the ref thinking)"

That was a touchdown

2/7/2006 11:13:54 AM

I think the officiating was questionable, but I also think that people are blowing it out of proportion. The main play that stands out in my mind was

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"the DJax touchdown that was ruled incomplete that madden/michaels didn't even question except michaels saying "ooh" - DJax had one foot down and one foot hit the pilon, clearly a TD"

I honestly thought that was a touchdown, and they only showed like one fast replay of it. I'd like to see that play again!


^I agree, that was a touchdown. Even if it wasn't, Pittsburgh still had another down to play to gain no more than 3 inches. I'm 99% sure they would have gotten that.


[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 11:17 AM. Reason : &]

2/7/2006 11:15:48 AM

I completely knew it was a touchdown when they showed it. the tip of the football broke the plane before he went down

2/7/2006 11:17:40 AM

Sorry that Jackson TD where he went out of bounds was not a touchdown. to be a completed catch you have to get [b]2 FUCKING FEET DOWN[b] touching a pylon is not the same as having a foot down

2/7/2006 11:17:50 AM

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"touching a pylon is not the same as having a foot down"

the pylon is in bounds

2/7/2006 11:22:55 AM

the pylon doesn't establish possession

2/7/2006 11:23:54 AM

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"I completely knew it was a touchdown when they showed it. the tip of the football broke the plane before he went down"

Seriously, I don't understand the controversy.

I thought it was a clear TD, and so did everyone else I was with.

I think what most people are actually pissed about is the rule itself.

2/7/2006 11:24:37 AM

the clearly a td call on jackson? he went out of bounds on the right side of the pilon, not the inside so therefore its not a td.

2/7/2006 11:27:39 AM

Offensive PI is rarely called Chris Hope should have gotten an illegal contact penalty before the PI

2/7/2006 11:29:12 AM

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"That was a touchdown"

Haha Ben on Letterman last night said he didn't think he got in and that they would have done another QB sneak. I still think there were terrible calls and MOST went Pittsburgh's way. And I was pulling for the Steelers to win, but not like that.

2/7/2006 11:29:55 AM

^^^the pylon extends to infinity

2/7/2006 11:31:46 AM

i thought the holding call on Locklear and the personal foul on Hasselbeck were the only two questionable calls.

the offensive pass interference in the endzone didn't look bad in slow motion, but in real time a definite advantage was gained.

the jackson catch near the endzone was very clear he was out of bounds. his right foot came down out of bounds plus his momentum carried him to the outside of the pylon out of bounds. if there was any doubt it would have been reviewed.

2/7/2006 11:31:54 AM

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"the pylon extends to infinity"

yes, his foot crossed the plane of the goalline, but it DID NOT COME DOWN INBOUNDS... therefore he did not establish POSSESSION of the football and could not have scored the TD.

the vick situation was completely different. He ESTABLISHED possession and THEN touched the pilon, which is a TD.

2/7/2006 11:37:40 AM

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"Haha Ben on Letterman last night said he didn't think he got in and that they would have done another QB sneak. I still think there were terrible calls and MOST went Pittsburgh's way. And I was pulling for the Steelers to win, but not like that."

I wont argue that most of the calls went Pitt's way. They did.

That call was the right call, though. The tip of the ball clearly crossed the white line before he was pushed back on the hit.

Seattle did get a little screwed, just not on that particular play

2/7/2006 11:43:42 AM

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"i thought the holding call on Locklear and the personal foul on Hasselbeck were the only two questionable calls."

See... granted, I didn't watch the 304 hours of post-game coverage like some of you probably did... but during the game I remember it looking like a plain-as-day hold.

From what I remember, Locklear had his arm wrapped around the defenders shoulders and took him to the ground. Am I making this up or remembering it wrong, or is that really what happened? It seemed like a good call when I originally saw it...


- Pass interference call was a terrible call. Terrible.
- No touchdown on the catch I think was the right call.
- Hasselback Personal Foul was a terrible call.


[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 11:49 AM. Reason : ]

2/7/2006 11:45:36 AM

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"the jackson catch near the endzone was very clear he was out of bounds. his right foot came down out of bounds plus his momentum carried him to the outside of the pylon out of bounds. if there was any doubt it would have been reviewed."

yep



the djack pass interference and the personal foul on hasselback were the only questionable ones i remember, and in the case of the personal foul, by questionable i mean horrible

2/7/2006 11:47:36 AM

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"Am I making this up or remembering it wrong"

Yeah - that was a previous holding call.

2/7/2006 11:49:17 AM

Oh, so we're talking about 2 different things?

What holding are you talking about? I thought that was the one that negated the catch on the 2 yard line?

2/7/2006 11:50:21 AM

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"A player no longer can be ruled out of bounds when he touches a pylon unless he already touched the boundary line."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/5153800

2/7/2006 11:56:15 AM

I'm sorry but the offensive pass interference looked like a good call to me.

Irvin needs to shut his mouth because if they called offensive pass interference back in the day like they do now then his numbers would be significantly different.

2/7/2006 12:05:37 PM

^exactly why its stupid to make that call now, all the stupid penalties they call pussify the game

with that said, the worst part about that BULLSHIT pass interference call on Darrell Jackson was how the ref watched Jackson catch the ball, fall to the ground, and then he pulled the flag out and threw it. It's like he had it out for Jackson/Seattle

oh well, another bad officiated game, its over now

2/7/2006 12:26:47 PM

It's not the most solid call but he sealed his own fate when he extended his arm.

2/7/2006 12:28:17 PM

^^If you watch the replay, you'll notice the ref was grabbing for his flag but threw something else when then happened and when he realized what he did he threw his flag.

[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 12:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/7/2006 12:34:37 PM

I think the point is, the game was fixed.

2/7/2006 12:36:50 PM

pass interference call -

it was questionable, but it was right in front of the ref. it's a judgement call, and i honestly believe the move jackson made gave him an advantage in catching the football. i definintely agree that most of the time that will be allowed with no flag, but at the same time it is not a terrible call if you do throw the flag. honestly, i don't think jackson could have gotten to the ball if he didn't push off of something/someone.

holding call -

maybe i missed the "phantom" holding penalty, because i most definitely saw a hold from locklear on the play that stevens caught the ball at the 2. he had haggans in a reverse choke hold

jackson incomplete td catch -

this was an obvious call, so much so that jackson did not even ATTEMPT to get his other foot down inbounds.

blocking penalty on hasselbeck -

horseshit call, but it was after the INT, which was the real drive-killer there. the same penalty was called against hartings i believe, in a game where he made the tackle after a pick was thrown by ben.

horsecollar on joey (no call) -

it was a horsecollar tackle, should have been called. refs miss calls in every game, and in no way is this indicative of a "fix" or unfair lean towards the steelers. they missed calls both ways

ben's touchdown -

the ball crossed the plane when he was about a foot off the ground. it was a definite touchdown. the contraversy comes because the ref did not immediately signal touchdown. he called the touchdown for the wrong reason, but it was the right call. the replay showed that, and it was the right call to uphold the touchdown. even if they had overturned it, cowher would have gone for it on 4th and inches. Most likely that would result in a score, or seattle would literally end up lining up in their own endzone. That would have probably resulted in a 3 & out or even a safety.

roethlisberger's 0 second timeout -

michaels explained why that happened. the ref has to watch the clock hit 0, then look at the field to see if it's snapped. by the time he looked at ben, he was already calling timeout, so there was no way for him to tell which happened first. this is a standard thing. almost every single time this is handled in the same way. plus, if i'm seattle, i'd rather force them to burn a timeout than back them up 5 yards anyway.


add all those up and it does end up a little in favor of the steelers. however, i don't think a single one of them were blatant bullshit calls (see polamalu INT from indy game). the seahawks had plenty of oppurtunities and they squandered them away. they gave up big plays, and they stuggled on 3rd down. a good football team has to overcome those obstacles to win the big games. the steelers overcame much worse officiating in the divisional playoff game against indy and NOBODY can argue with me about that.

i'll admit it was a dull super bowl outside of a few big plays, but that's no reason to cry foul and try to taint the steelers championship. i'd say of all the calls, the most questionable one was the offensive PI call. that happened in the first fucking quarter people, you can't tell me that cost seattle the win. they had all game to make up for that.

/rant

2/7/2006 1:30:01 PM

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"you mean Holmgren was out-reffed in this game."

yes

the refs blew the last 90 seconds of the game AND the last 60 seconds of the half

2/7/2006 1:32:16 PM

^^ Steelers fan

no one in the NFL wanted the seahawks to win. All the 2-weeks of pregame were fixated on the Bus being in his hometown. The usually nonpartisan media seats were filled with steelers fans. Even ABC got involved during the game, the first four of those black and white screens after the commercials were steelers players. If nothing less, the refs had to be subconsciously expecting the Steelers to win.

That said I don't necessarily believe that the Seahawks were robbed of a win, but like I said, the non-Steelers fans were robbed of a good and fair game. The officiating was UNACCEPTABLE and CLEARLY of the Steelers. I can't believe there can be so many missed calls favoring one team in the Super Bowl.


[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 1:40 PM. Reason : that said]

2/7/2006 1:37:42 PM

^none of that post refutes a single thing i said in mine

try again

2/7/2006 1:39:13 PM

^The only address I was making to you was that you are Steelers fan. Why don't you ask Joey Porter what he thinks of one-sided officiating now?

2/7/2006 1:40:57 PM

^^^^^Pretty good summary. I agree with most all of that.

2/7/2006 1:42:17 PM

he'd probably say he thought it was fairly called

i admit that the officiating favored the steelers. my point is that it was not intentional, and it did not rob the seahawks of a chance to win the super bowl. and i still contend that if you combine all of the officiating from each of the steelers playoff games, it will still be in favor of their opponents over the 4-game stretch.

2/7/2006 1:44:38 PM

He could not say that it was fairly officiated without lying. No one could.

2/7/2006 1:47:54 PM

seattle is about as bad as V0LC0M when it comes to bitching about refs.

2/7/2006 1:47:55 PM

Quit your bitchin'!!

[Edited on February 7, 2006 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ]

2/7/2006 1:48:34 PM

^^^i didnt say he'd be right, and with porter, i'm sure he could convince himself of anything, so it wouldn't really be lying. it's a stupid point to argue over anyway. it doesn't matter what porter thinks.

2/7/2006 1:52:01 PM

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"maybe i missed the "phantom" holding penalty, because i most definitely saw a hold from locklear on the play that stevens caught the ball at the 2. he had haggans in a reverse choke hold"

The other holding call is the one on the run back from the punt in the second quarter.

I'm pretty sure it's this one in particular:

(15:00) C.Gardocki punts 60 yards to SEA 20, Center-G.Warren. P.Warrick to PIT 46 for 34 yards (C.Iwuoma).
PENALTY on SEA-E.Pruitt, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 35.

Also, if I remember right Madden and Michaels didn't think it was holding on that play and the Locklear holding call later in the game.

2/7/2006 1:55:35 PM

the phantom holding on the kick was the guy holding a gunner at the line of scrimage to prevent him from getting down the field to tackle. There was a hold on the play.

2/7/2006 2:45:20 PM

Are you sure that wasn't the other punt that holding was called on?

Because I remember the hold on the big punt return being extremely questionable.

2/7/2006 2:48:19 PM