It would be funny if the finals in '08 came down to like Hillary Clinton and Al Sharpton or something...basically a white woman and a black man...and then before they could get elected, Bush and Cheney died and Condoleeza became the first woman and black to be president haha

3/11/2006 2:03:47 PM

Black voters will vote for a black candidate.

Women won't vote for a woman candidate.

3/11/2006 2:06:22 PM

i think of all women candidates, hillary might have a better chance than others

3/11/2006 2:09:13 PM

Ross Perot for President..

3/11/2006 2:11:33 PM

^ yes

3/11/2006 2:19:36 PM

3/11/2006 2:23:10 PM

I would NOT vote for some damn Al Sharpton! The State of the Union address would take hours!!

"For goodness sakes, lets eat some cake!"

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 2:25 PM. Reason : v]

3/11/2006 2:25:15 PM

first president younger than 35 years old

3/11/2006 2:47:06 PM

^^^I know a black woman would be a really hard sell for the kind of republicans I grew up around in Mayberry. They would never let a democrat do it. But a strong conservative they just might go for. I sometimes wonder if I'd throw aside my political affiliations for one election to help break that barrier for the first time. I think I’d strongly consider it. I mean voting in 1 Condi now, would end up giving me more serious voting options down the road because the Carol Moseley Braun's of the world might be taken more seriously.

3/11/2006 3:07:51 PM

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She is actually white, just like Clinton was "black" (I have known a lot of black people who consider Clinton 'the first black president').

3/11/2006 3:30:15 PM

"I know a black woman would be a really hard sell for the kind of republicans I grew up around in Mayberry."

Braun isn't going to be considered a realistic option by many just because Clinton held office though, whereas Condi might be a different story.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 3:41:43 PM

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"eraser: She is actually white, just like Clinton was "black" (I have known a lot of black people who consider Clinton 'the first black president')."

Yeah and I've known a lot of black people who have enough self-respect to believe "the first black president" will be...well...black.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ---]

3/11/2006 3:43:49 PM

the "Clinton was the first black president" stance is nice and funny and all, but thats about it

3/11/2006 3:45:16 PM

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"the "Clinton was the first black president" stance is nice and funny and all, but thats about it"

yes, but it was along the lines of me saying Condi is white. She is Black ... but not really.

I wish there were some good candidates. I don't know of any white guys, black guys or women currently heavily into politics that I would like to see as a president.

Maybe we can get Walkin up there.

http://www.walken2008.com/politics.html

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 3:48 PM. Reason : +]

3/11/2006 3:47:11 PM

first affirmative-action president

3/11/2006 4:07:27 PM

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"I sometimes wonder if I'd throw aside my political affiliations for one election to help break that barrier"

Yes, we should cheapen our core values for the sake of someone's race/gender.

That's the very definition of racism/sexism.

If you think they're the best candidate, vote for them! Fuck their color/creed/sexual orientation/halitosis/etc.

3/11/2006 4:53:33 PM

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"eraser: yes, but it was along the lines of me saying Condi is white. She is Black ... but not really."

You're one of those "white guilt"-type liberals, aren't you?

3/11/2006 6:33:28 PM

You're one of those "Condoleeza Rice has any chance in hell of becoming president"-type conservatives, aren't you?

3/11/2006 6:38:01 PM

You people circle wagons quick though. gg.

3/11/2006 7:42:11 PM

YOU PEOPLE?!?!?

3/11/2006 7:43:19 PM

bgmims

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"Yes, we should cheapen our core values for the sake of someone's race/gender. That's the very definition of racism/sexism. If you think they're the best candidate, vote for them! Fuck their color/creed/sexual orientation/halitosis/etc. "

I liked Braun in several ways better than Kerry. But a liberal black female democrat would seem to have a hard chance at winning considering that all we ever get is white men. If I were to vote for the other party once to increase my options for candidates on my side of the political spectrum down the road, that seems like a utilitarian type decision rather than something based on gender or race. This would be allowing myself the serious option of voting for the best candidate in many elections to come, at the sacrifice of one election now.

It’s not a position I'm committed to, but it’s something I said I would consider. I didn't believe that would lead to me being called out as a racist and sexist.

Is sometimes wondering about/considering this option really racist and sexist? I'd like some other ppls input who have read the thread... I didn't realize considering this was out of bounds/out of the mainstream/into the realm of sexist/racists.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 8:03 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 7:57:46 PM

black and/or female president = president baltar </nerd>

3/11/2006 8:10:50 PM

I wouldn't vote for Condeleeza Rice...

3/11/2006 9:09:38 PM

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"If I were to vote for the other party once to increase my options for candidates on my side of the political spectrum down the road, that seems like a utilitarian type decision rather than something based on gender or race."

so in other words, you'd be happy to put someone in office that you don't really think should be in office... tell me, if we cloned bush into a black woman's body,, would you vote for her?

3/11/2006 9:33:38 PM

no i would not vote for a bush, but someone less conservative perhaps. condi was an example, but i said things like a condi or 1 condi, or the "brauns of the world"... indicating type more than specific people. i'd be happy to have to put one less qualified person in office, if it meant down the road i could have 5 qualified people in office in a row if the other option was 1 qualified followed by 5 unqualified. no political situation will ever be that cut and dry... but still I would like braun to have gotten more serious consideration.

3/12/2006 12:15:27 AM

affirmative action at its best!

3/12/2006 2:47:35 PM

Mark Warner is not black nor female

so this discussion is moot until 2015

3/12/2006 3:07:17 PM

i would vote for Christopher Walken, cuz if someone wrote him a good enough script, at least he could act like a better President than George Bush.

3/12/2006 4:11:49 PM

Hahaha...you got me. I don't think she'll be president because I'm a racist. Nothing to do with McCain's brown baby or anything...

3/12/2006 5:01:09 PM

where did I claim you were a racist again?

3/13/2006 11:26:39 AM

Clarify this:

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"TGD: You people circle wagons quick though. gg."

3/13/2006 11:33:46 AM

what's to clarify? you rushed to the defense of your fellow l3ftie in under 5 minutes. no accusations of racism, I was just giving you a gg for being on the ball.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 1:16 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2006 1:15:54 PM

I personally don't give a crap what race or gender a candidate is.

3/13/2006 2:42:14 PM

but many people do, and once we've experienced more variety in the office then maybe those people would realize its not that bad... but come to think of it, people who would care in the first place probably wouldn't change their opinions even once they experienced variety. After consideration I don't think I'd vote for a condi in hopes of making a braun seem like a more broadly appealing choice, since I don't think it would have that effect that I was wondering about earlier.

3/13/2006 2:51:10 PM

Oh, I understand the political reality facing a minority or woman candidate. I'm just expressing that I personally don't believe that it should matter.

3/13/2006 2:54:16 PM

thats why the republicans will win the election

they all vote for a white male

democrats split their votes between women and minorities

3/13/2006 3:22:44 PM

I agree with Pi Master; it shouldn't matter. It does, though.

3/13/2006 4:01:15 PM

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"Laura Bush: U.S. ready for a woman president Preferably a Republican one, first lady says During an exchange with reporters, Mrs. Bush was asked if the United States was prepared to have a woman in the Oval Office. "Sure, absolutely," she replied. "I'm voting for the Republican woman." Mrs. Bush previously has expressed support for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for president, but Rice has said repeatedly she's not going to run."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/14/us.womanpresident.ap/index.html

Maybe I'm crazy here, but I just don't see a woman getting the republican nomination anytime soon.

3/14/2006 2:24:06 PM

Probably not.

Still, going on her credentials, Rice might not be a half bad option.

A female President would be hell for Middle East relations, though. :p

3/17/2006 8:45:21 AM

because a durka-hating crusader has been so much better for relations??

3/17/2006 9:43:26 AM

^^just like another bush

3/17/2006 10:03:54 AM

yeah all the countries that dont let women do anything would be real receptive to a female president of the US

havent you heard Borat rank things

GOD
MAN
HORSE
DOG
RAT
WOMAN
INSECT

3/17/2006 10:51:21 AM

since when does America care what the Middle East thinks

3/17/2006 11:47:00 AM

OH MAN, first conservative female president...

Just think if it was Laura Bush.

Just think!

Two more terms of Bush, the soap box would lose its collective mind.

3/17/2006 12:22:52 PM

NEWS FLASH:

Two muslim countries have had female heads of state.

As has India.

lollers@usa.

3/17/2006 2:26:10 PM

^ First-past-the-post election styles do engender conservative candidate selection.

It isn't that a female could never win an election in America, but why risk it?

3/17/2006 2:58:18 PM

Why is it a big deal, several other countries have had female heads of state, and many countries in western civilization have female heads of state w/ empresses & queens.

I suppose with hereditary things that have the implication of some level of divine right then you are stuck with women, but when it’s a democracy and you can choose, then you get to discriminate more/be more conservative/women in the kitchen.

3/31/2006 12:19:42 AM

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"Black voters will vote for a black candidate. Women won't vote for a woman candidate."

because there are obviously more black people in this country than women and blacks are known for high voter turnout!

3/31/2006 1:12:54 AM

Well, Hillary won't win in '08 in my opinion she is too much of a polarizing figure. I think the top AA presidential candidate on the horizon is clearly Obama. If he plays his cards right his road to the White House should be destined.

3/31/2006 2:43:44 AM

obama is the anti-christ

3/31/2006 3:05:34 AM