http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8287436/detail.html

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"CRAIG, Colo. -- A 60-year-old Moffat County man was killed during a home invasion shootout in Craig -- except he was the one who was doing the breaking in with a gun."

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"An investigation revealed that Jackson saw Vigil trying to break into the front door with the butt end of a rifle. Jackson grabbed a .410 shotgun and shot the intruder in the chest as he entered the home, but the shot did not stop him, police said. Jackson and his son ran into a back bedroom and locked the door. Jackson told his son to hide under a bed and then grabbed a 30-06 rifle and started loading it. Police said the intruder then fired two rounds from a 30.30 rifle through the closed bedroom door. Jackson yelled at him to leave and fired one round from his weapon through the bedroom door into the hallway. The intruder fired two more rounds and then began busting open the bedroom door, police said. At that point Jackson fired another round, which apparently struck the intruder in the right hip area. The door remained closed and Jackson and his son stayed in the bedroom until officers arrived."

DAAMMMMNNNNNN

3/28/2006 11:09:04 AM

now that

is awesome

3/28/2006 11:10:50 AM

thats a story

3/28/2006 11:14:30 AM

they could make a movie from that story line

3/28/2006 11:25:19 AM

I read this earlier, he finally killed him with a 30-06.

3/28/2006 11:31:08 AM

so thats how you kill a 60 year old

HIP SHOT

3/28/2006 11:31:49 AM

heh and how about this one. http://www.wral.com/news/8301174/detail.html

3/28/2006 11:33:03 AM

I went to high school with the dude that got shot. It's unfortunate, but it is not lawful to shoot someone who is stealing your car(assuming you're not in danger).

3/28/2006 11:36:37 AM

fuck that. that pisses me the fuck off. the dude got what was coming to him and nobody should be charged. id shoot someone trying to steal my car in a split second.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 11:39 AM. Reason : .]

3/28/2006 11:38:40 AM

The home shooting story ended with:

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"An initial investigation revealed the shooting was justifiable and was in self defense, police said."

3/28/2006 11:42:58 AM

^^Don't worry, it's Harnett County. He'll get off, if by nothing but jury nullification.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

3/28/2006 11:43:03 AM

and survivors who make a move and murder one back

hell yeah

.30-06 too, my favorite

oh, and why do you think i have 3"magnum slugs on my shotgun's stock in my closet, see how far fucking with my vette gets ya

3/28/2006 11:43:19 AM

^I would not shoot a car thief in Wake County, however. Unless you just didn't have anything else planned for the next decade.

3/28/2006 11:44:24 AM

I can't believe he shot him initially with a 410. No wonder it didn't stop him.

3/28/2006 11:52:04 AM

^^yeah, i know. makes ya wanna move to tx sometimes....

3/28/2006 11:55:35 AM

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"They took the law into their own hands," Gilliam said. "They should have let the officials handle the situation."

http://www.wral.com/news/8301174/detail.html

"Officials" like this killer, ex-officer Peele:

http://www.wral.com/news/4916966/detail.html

3/28/2006 12:36:11 PM

^That's exactly what I was thinking about. Dumbass female cop shot and killed a dude that was stealing her off-duty car. Did she get off scott-free on that?

3/28/2006 12:50:56 PM

^Yeah, it was obvious the cop's life was not at risk because she shot the dude from the side of the car. But a "witness" came forward and said he was in danger of being hit by the car. DA didn't even try to put up a case for pressing charges. She got off, but she was fired. And, of course, now she's suing to get her job back.

We're hoping Arrington's family will file a civil suit against her.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 1:00 PM. Reason : ]

3/28/2006 12:54:23 PM

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"That's exactly what I was thinking about. Dumbass female cop shot and killed a dude that was stealing her off-duty car. Did she get off scott-free on that?"

she got fired. no charges though, so yeah, she got off free.

http://www.wral.com/news/6504308/detail.html

3/28/2006 12:58:58 PM

^ That is fucking BULLSHIT.

Maybe they should get this guy fired from his job but take the charges away from him.

We will have to watch what happens.

3/28/2006 1:01:18 PM

i find it hard to mourn someone dumb enough to steal a car

3/28/2006 1:05:55 PM

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"The nightclub bouncer who saw former Raleigh Police Officer Michelle Peele shoot and kill an unarmed man trying to steal her SUV said neither she nor anyone else was in the direct path of the vehicle."

BUT

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"After hearing conflicting testimony, a Wake County grand jury ruled last week there was not enough evidence to indict Peele on a charge of manslaughter. Peele, however, was fired by the Raleigh Police Department on Friday after it finished an administrative investigation into whether she violated department policy in the incident."

THE CONFLICTING TESTIMONY CAME FROM HER FRIEND:

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"Also testifying in front of the grand jury were a State Bureau of Investigation agent and Peele's friend Lindsay Banning, a Raleigh animal control officer who also witnessed the shooting. Banning told the grand jury that she felt she was in danger of being run over, Wake District Attorney Colon Willoughby said previously. Banning declined to comment when contacted Tuesday."

http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/395062.html

Apparently, all you need to do to get off is to get your friend to lie for you. And it also helps to be a cop.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 1:08 PM. Reason : sss]

3/28/2006 1:06:05 PM

no, what's bullshit is that you get charged at all for shooting someone who's stealing your shit.

3/28/2006 1:06:58 PM

^AHAHA...

30thAnnZ, you ever kill a man?

You leave your car unlocked and running with the keys in the ignition?

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 1:09 PM. Reason : sss]

3/28/2006 1:07:51 PM

i have no problem killing anyone i thought deserved it.

if i ever catch anyone stealing my car, or breaking in my house, and i have quick access to a firearm, they are dead where they stand.

people who know me in real life would not doubt that statement.

3/28/2006 1:09:44 PM

I can understand defending my self or my house with a firearm but a vehicle is a bit much. If I saw someone stealing my car and I had a gun on me I would draw but would be unlikely to shoot unless the situation progressed.

If someone is readily trying to break into my house or put me in a situation that I can't get out of they would get shot with very little/no warning.

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"i have no problem killing anyone i thought deserved it."

There is a line between self defense and murder, and this statement takes a piss on that line and runs on by.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 1:16 PM. Reason : +]

3/28/2006 1:15:24 PM

just go stand in front of the car, then you can say that you felt that your life was in danger.

3/28/2006 1:16:31 PM

yeah that dude needed killin.

3/28/2006 1:21:34 PM

^^^^FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTASTIC. HOW DID YOU GET SO SICK? WHERE AND WHEN DID THIS DISREGARD FOR LIFE BEGIN?

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"i have no problem killing anyone i thought deserved it. if i ever catch anyone stealing my car, or breaking in my house, and i have quick access to a firearm, they are dead where they stand."

Yeah, that'll teach them to fuck with your shit. No wait. You killed the perpetrator. You killed a man and achieved nothing besides avenging your STUFF.

(And, by the way, mistakes happen ALL the time. It would suck if you killed a man for trying to break into your house and it turned out he's just a wasted neighbor who got the wrong house.)

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"just go stand in front of the car, then you can say that you felt that your life was in danger"

RPD has a policy against doing that.

Final note: I can imagine using a firearm to defend my home but "dead where they stand"??? No, I'd like to avoid killing people.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 1:29 PM. Reason : sss]

3/28/2006 1:24:04 PM

D-E-A-D

3/28/2006 1:36:57 PM

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"There is a line between self defense and murder, and this statement takes a piss on that line and runs on by."

i have no problem with that.

3/28/2006 1:40:38 PM

D-E-A-D

3/28/2006 3:19:53 PM

You can never LEGALLY shoot someone for just stealing your car/property.

If you use excessive force, you will be charged with a crime. The force used must match the force being asserted. You most also consider who is doing the threatening. If an 80 year old man pulls a knife and you could easily run off or knock him down, you cannot LEGALLY shoot him.

As for your home, you can shoot them dead on the door step if you believe they are going to commit HURT you or someone in the home. If you catch them stealing and they run out, you cannot kill them.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 3:43 PM. Reason : fyi]

3/28/2006 3:34:55 PM

1. Tell enemy he can drive your car
2. Shoot him when he sits in the seat
3. Say he was stealing it
4. ???
5. Profit

3/28/2006 3:48:39 PM

I'd shoot an 80 year man with a knife in a second, even if i could kick his ass. I'd rather give him what he has coming to him than get cut, and a knife can create some pretty serious trauma, anyway. even if i WAS fairly certain I could kick his ass without getting seriously injured (or even cut up), I wouldn't take the chance. No brainer, in my book.

3/28/2006 3:48:42 PM

on the kid who was shot while trying to steal a car: he was shot in the back of the head. that is manslaughter, and the shooter deserves that charge. he should've atleast gottent he perp's attention so that he would've turned around, and then you could've shot him in the front.

3/28/2006 3:52:18 PM

what pisses me off is that someone can break into your house cut themselves on glass or break their leg and then sue you. now that is bullshit.

3/28/2006 4:27:29 PM

I’m not sure house vs car is the right way to draw the line. If I’m in the car or the house and you break in, then there will be some fear for safety and self defense motivation. if you are away from home and just getting back and see someone running out of the door with your tv, then its a different story, same as somebody stealing your car when you aren't using it. For someone living pay check to pay check with an unstable job, I could easily see how they would view car theft as threatening even if they weren't inside it. Whereas not having a tv would suck, but have less effect.

I also don't like the idea of you can use force, but not deadly force. That means you have to put yourself at risk for damage or death to use force alot of the times, whereas deadly force you can often secure from a distance.

I don't like the idea that if a well built criminal came up to a helpless law abiding citizen, all the well built criminal has to do is give you a list of things of yours they want, and you have to legally comply since you can't fight them, and you're not allowed to risk using deadly force.

Of course people going willy-nilly with deadly force would be detrimental society, but so is allowing criminals to prey on the helpless and legally requiring the helpless to comply.

I’m not sure what the idea solution would be, but since ideal solutions are never what make it to the paper declarations of legislators, I just think some balance should be struck that recognizes the dangers & detriments to society of either extreme.

3/28/2006 4:53:11 PM

Story shows how Hollywood-style kills often don't happen in the real world. Dude took a shotgun blast to the chest and kept on fighting until another shot dropped him. Damn.

3/28/2006 5:14:40 PM

well, it was a .410. that's quite a bit different from your standard 12-gauge (or even 20 gauge). If he'd taken a hit from 0 or 00 buck from a 12 gauge, it would've been a different story--probably dead shortly after he hit the ground.

they do make buckshot (and i believe even slugs) for .410s, but it's kind of uncommon. My guess is that it was loaded with some sort of small game shot.

Of course, if I happened to be a burgler and some dude shot me with a .410 loaded with ANYTHING, I'd be getting the hell out of there and looking for some other place to rob.

3/28/2006 6:40:28 PM

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"what pisses me off is that someone can break into your house cut themselves on glass or break their leg and then sue you. now that is bullshit."

Simple: shoot to kill.

They can't sue if they are dead.

If there was a noticeable increase in the number of people shot and killed during a burglary there would be fewer break ins. (Granted, crime would probably go up in other ways to compensate.)

3/28/2006 6:49:21 PM

Believe me, I'd love to be able to shoot a dude for stealing my car, but there's a reason why we can't. Let's pretend that's it is, in fact, legal to kill a man for stealing something of great value from you. So it's okay to shoot a guy for stealing your car. Or your $4000 jewelry. Or your hi-fi stereo. Or your television. Or your garden hose. Or for stepping foot on your property and messing up your grass. Who draws the line in terms of property value? What is the value of a human?

Therefore the only acceptable solution is to allow deadly force only when your own life is threatened. Rural courts let people get away with killing thieves for centuries, but only because they had not thought it through and the event was so rare they weren't worried about the precedent it set. Like it or not, our population is far too dense for that to work today.

Therefore, the dude that shot a guy for stealing his car must be prosecuted.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 6:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2006 6:49:40 PM

So does the law state that you can't kill a man who is trying to steal your car?

Or that you can't shoot a man who is trying to steal your car?

I would never try to use deadly force for the sake of my car, but I would shoot an arm or leg for it.

3/28/2006 6:56:29 PM

Under NC Castle Doctrine, do you have duty to retreat? No, right?

If you catch someone in your house, you can confront, and if the perp does anything threatening, let 'er rip.

HOWEVER, that's inside your house. Lethal force for attempted grand theft auto = NOT KOSHER.

3/28/2006 7:00:34 PM

^^ deadly force is not justified unless you are in physical danger.

Shooting someone in an arm while trying to steal your car is not justified because it is "lethal force". (They could also claim you missed the chest and call it attempted manslaughter.)

^ In NC you can only shoot if you are unable to escape the situation.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 7:02 PM. Reason : +_]

3/28/2006 7:01:28 PM

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"I would never try to use deadly force for the sake of my car, but I would shoot an arm or leg for it."

Bad idea, both tactically and legally.

in the eyes of the law, if you were in a bad enough situation to shoot someone, you were in a bad enough situation to shoot him in the chest. if you kneecap him, you must not really have needed to shoot him at all.

plus, you don't want him to come up with all sorts of silly stuff to say against you in court, so it's in your best interest to view things the same way as the law does (although sometimes for a different reason).

3/28/2006 7:05:30 PM

This may help:

http://tkdtutor.com/07Defense/Laws.htm

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"The use of deadly force may be justified only to defend against force, or the threat of force of nearly equally severity, and is not justifiable unless the defendant reasonably believes that such force is necessary to protect himself/herself) against death or serious bodily harm. Serious bodily harm is an injury that creates substantial risk of death, causes serious permanent disfigurement, or causes a protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ. One cannot respond with deadly force to a threat of, or even an actual, minor attack. For example, a slap or an imminent threat of being pushed would not ordinarily justify the use of deadly force to defend against such unlawful conduct."

This is the most pertinent I found - the page has much more information on self defense.

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 7:24 PM. Reason : +]

3/28/2006 7:23:41 PM

protecting property is stupid, especially a car

if the car is worth anything, its insured.

if i catch someone stealing my car, im going to throw them my gas card and the spare set of keys.

just make it disappear

3/28/2006 8:44:35 PM

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"what pisses me off is that someone can break into your house cut themselves on glass or break their leg and then sue you. now that is bullshit."

i want the case number and such.

quit making bullshit up.

3/28/2006 8:49:44 PM

^ na man, hes right, dont feel like lookin it up, but a dude fell through a skylight and landed on a butcher block and got fucked up, sued the owner and won. Also, why do you think stores keep lights on at night. Some dumbass broke into a dark store and got hurt, then sued cuz he couldnt see, and won... Thats the fucked up truth.

And like duke said, shoot to kill. If you have time to aim for the knee or whatever, then you arent in imminant (sp?) danger. Oh, and dont use a damn assualt rifle ( ) or empty the mag in their ass or anything like that either, else your're fucked in court

it really pisses me off that i cant blast a fucker for messin with my ride.
"Man, it woulda been worth him doin it just so I coulda caught him doin it"
"Do not fuck with another man's automobile"

3/28/2006 9:00:28 PM