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"Unreal Posted by signorsalad Apr 7, 10:38 am You're absolutely right Mr. Doyel, we were wrong to strive for more than an 8-38 combined record vs our primary rivals. We were wrong to strive for greater than a 20% winning percentage against the RPI top 50. We were wrong to want to schedule more good out of conference teams instead of fattening up the record against >200+ RPI teams. We were wrong to expect that wolfpack teams could employ an offense that would actually excel at things like... getting rebounds. We were wrong to wish that our offense was more balanced instead of so heavily relying on the 3 point shot which was doomed to failure come tournament time. We were wrong to wish that our best post player in 10 years would spend more time on the block instead of initiating the offense at the top of the key (and staying there)play after play after play. We were wrong to wish for more than 1 sweet 16 and 1 seed higher than 7 in the 10 years Sendek was here. All of these things make us a horrible, absolutely horrible group of fans. We really should get the bottom of the barrel as a reward for the pressure we put on our coaches and administration for desiring these things. Mr. Sendek is a great man and a good coach, and State fans everywhere should be forever thankful to him for taking what was a real mess and delivering solid results while building the program with class and respectability (the right way.) However, we as a collective felt that Sendek had taken us as far as he could. 10 years with such a poor record vs our rivals and only 1 sweet 16 appearance was plenty of time and patience. The time had come for better or worse for a change to be made. But regardless, we wish him all the luck in the world and we know he'll make ASU an upper tier Pac-10 program. Is it wrong for the wolfpack nation to strive for more? At the end of the 80s, NCSU had more NCAA titles and more ACC championships than Duke, and were tied with North Carolina. Our school paved the way for the ACC to be what it is today. State players and coaches created the tradition of cutting down the nets, and our first great coach, Everett Case, was the father of the modern day Conference tournament. Duke's first great coach was a State protege. And lets not forget other programs who have done very similar things. UNC ran their alumni coach out of town on a rail in a way much uglier than we did 2 years after winning the national AP coach of the year award. Where was the outcry then? UCLA ran off Steve Lavin after he produced similarly solid results ala Sendek. Did Michigan State and Lousville run off Hall of Fame coaches to improve their programs? Perhaps that last is a stretch, but maybe, maybe not. Your outsider view is typical Mr. Doyel, but you know, we're just little ol' NCState, we shouldn't expect or desire to want to win championships or go to Final 4's. Its just not reasonable with Duke and Carolina around. Not! "

didnt see it anywhere else but its pretty good

4/7/2006 11:55:42 AM

Did I miss something?

4/7/2006 11:58:36 AM

kudos.

Gave props to Sendek, addressed why the change was neccesary, all the while making Doyel look like a complete fucking moron.


BUT....the only problem is that the issue of the original article is not debating whether or not we needed a change, but how we handled the desired change and the events that have (and possibly will) accur afterwards.

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 12:00 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/7/2006 11:59:42 AM

imho, I like it.

4/7/2006 12:00:54 PM

Pretty much sums up everything I have been trying to get across for the last two days...except he actually did research and got numbers. I'm too lazy for that. The problem with the article trying to bash us for running Herb off is...He left us.

4/7/2006 12:02:25 PM

Got it now

4/7/2006 12:05:36 PM

^^fuck.

Do you seriously thing the Herbster would have "left us" if our fan base wasnt the way they were?

Herb is not the type of person to just quit.

The opprotunity was great at ASU, but the lack of support in Raleigh is what sealed the deal.


I'm not saying we should have just been like, "oh well, we'll get 'em next year", but I dont think it is realistic to say that Herb just up and "left us".

We pushed his face up against the door, all he did was turn the knob.

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 12:08 PM. Reason : I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OOSTOGY]

4/7/2006 12:07:46 PM

the fans may have been forcing him out, but his job was safe if he decided to stay.... Fowler would have never have fired him

4/7/2006 12:10:01 PM

I agree...it was a sad state of affairs. I said it before...and I reiterate. I didn't want Herb to leave, but I'm not going to give up being a state fan because he did. But I have heard several sports writers criticize state fans for being to harsh. With the kind of statistics in this post, its hard to argue that ne other coach at some other school wouldn't have been run off/fired/strung up by his testicles.

4/7/2006 12:10:50 PM

^ Well not ever school has tradition like us

4/7/2006 12:12:47 PM

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"the fans may have been forcing him out, but his job was safe if he decided to stay.... Fowler would have never have fired him"

That may very well be true, and we will never know for sure.

But who in thier right mind would want the support of your AD when ~15,000+ "fans" are booing you...in your own stadium?

My boss at work may love me, but if the rest of the company tells me "You Suck" every morning i come into work and everytime I make a decision (whether good or bad), trust me, the other pastures look greener by the second.

I DONT BLAME HERB ON BIT.

4/7/2006 12:15:24 PM

he had more than the AD's support. the State staff sent Fowler that letter saying they supported him fully

4/7/2006 12:21:09 PM

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"UCLA ran off Steve Lavin after he produced similarly solid results ala Sendek"

Lavins results >> Sendek's results. UCLA ran Lavin off after he made the sweet 16 five times in a row.

4/7/2006 12:22:05 PM

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"BUT....the only problem is that the issue of the original article is not debating whether or not we needed a change, but how we handled the desired change and the events that have (and possibly will) accur afterwards."

it sounded to me a lot like he was debating us needing a change. half of that article was about how great of a coach herb is.

and how should we have handled it? flat out fire him? give him an ultimatum to leave or be fired? what would have been a better way to handle it? He sensed that people were unhappy and left on his own accord.

you could say we were too harsh, but if we weren't that harsh he would have been happy and not had a reason to leave. which brings us back to the first point: him needing to go

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2006 12:23:28 PM

4/7/2006 12:25:29 PM

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"Well not ever school has tradition like us"

what?

two championships?

Indiana
Oklahoma State
Kentucky
San Francisco
North Carolina
Cincinnati
UCLA
Louisville
Duke
Kansas
Connecticut

They all do.

Yet Drunk ass Bob Huggins got more support from Cincy then Herb did from us.

The Felons (UCONN) have a loyal fanbase even though 1/2 of his roster (including his starting point guard) was involved in stealing Lap Tops from the fucking computer lab and have a long history of run ins with the law.

The Dukies stuck by Coach K when he had "hip problems" while his team was the doormat of the ACC for a few years, all the while losing to us and UNC consistently during that time.

Many teams have the same "tradition" as NCSU, the difference is our fans are the most vocal, the most disrespectful, and the most unsupportive I can remember seeing in a long time.

4/7/2006 12:27:30 PM

no, this kinda tradition:

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"Is it wrong for the wolfpack nation to strive for more? At the end of the 80s, NCSU had more NCAA titles and more ACC championships than Duke, and were tied with North Carolina. Our school paved the way for the ACC to be what it is today. State players and coaches created the tradition of cutting down the nets, and our first great coach, Everett Case, was the father of the modern day Conference tournament. Duke's first great coach was a State protege. "

there is more than just championships, but they are part of the equation

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 12:30 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2006 12:30:09 PM

Not!

4/7/2006 12:31:33 PM

ya he had me til the "Not!"

4/7/2006 12:42:18 PM

^^^no

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 12:44 PM. Reason : b]

4/7/2006 12:43:38 PM

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"The Felons (UCONN) have a loyal fanbase even though 1/2 of his roster (including his starting point guard) was involved in stealing Lap Tops from the fucking computer lab and have a long history of run ins with the law."

If by 1/2 you mean one (and that one that was on the roster didn't steal them.. his dumbass just sold one). Long history of run ins with the law is a bit of a stretch too, but recently they have had their fair share of problems (Damon Thornton-esque problems).. you're better then that Panthro.

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"The Dukies stuck by Coach K when he had "hip problems" while his team was the doormat of the ACC for a few years, all the while losing to us and UNC consistently during that time."

He was THREE years removed from back2back NCAA titles.. Methinks (no homo) Herb would have been afforded teh same luxury..

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"Yet Drunk ass Bob Huggins got more support from Cincy then Herb did from us. "

Well, Huggins, along with the Big O are about all Cincy has for their bball history (Oscar did go there, correct?)

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 12:51 PM. Reason : x]

4/7/2006 12:46:33 PM

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"Yet Drunk ass Bob Huggins got more support from Cincy then Herb did from us. "

that just proves that fans everywhere could really care less if the coach is running a clean program, or portraying a good reflection of the school's values, if the team is winning.

4/7/2006 12:55:09 PM

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"most vocal, the most disrespectful, and the most unsupportive I can remember seeing in a long time. "

hahah... this is a joke right?

4/7/2006 12:56:28 PM

u must not have remembered indiana with mike davis this year.

get a clue.

panthro loses this thread.

4/7/2006 1:12:24 PM

Doyel is on 850 the buzz talking to Adam Gold

4/7/2006 4:26:56 PM

ive accepted the media hates us and we really just fuel their fire getting so worked up but when u call a dead man who's legacy is a cancer charity thats raised million "ethically changellenged" you make me sick, how does he sleep at night and why is everyone making herb sendek their victim- according to herb it was also a career move and i think its a financial gain.

4/7/2006 7:08:08 PM

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4/7/2006 10:33:31 PM

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"The Dukies stuck by Coach K when he had "hip problems" while his team was the doormat of the ACC for a few years, all the while losing to us and UNC consistently during that time."

This is ridiculous. Duke was down for ONE year not several.

They made the tournament the very next season.

Also, Duke was ranked in the top 10 the season when Coach K went down with his hip problems. When he officially stepped down I think their record was like 10-3 and they were still ranked among the top 20 teams in the country.

4/8/2006 12:23:00 AM

^Not to mention Duke had won multiple National Titles in recent years when he had his "health problems".

How many did Herb win ?

4/8/2006 1:14:58 AM

This is a response I typed to that fuckface. I'm so sick of the filth he divulges to readers.

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"I just wanted to know why you are so anti-N.C State. The garbage that you put out to the readers is unjustified and ridiculous. This stuff about N.C State being the loser in the Herb situation is crazy to put out when we haven't even signed another one yet. If we sign Calipari you will eat your words. I mean come on, I'm willing to bet you've never even been to Raleigh or couldn't even locate it on the map. You were a shitty writer at the Charlotte Observer, and you are an even shittier writer at CBS Sportsline. This N.C State stuff goes right up there with that amazingly ignorant article you wrote in the Charlotte Observer almost 2 years back about Clemson not being a football school. The one where you pretty much slammed Clemson and the entire athletic department for having a sense of accomplishment for the program. Is this a theme that you like to just let re-surface with different schools? Naw, I think you're just stupid. Guess that goes right along with graduating from Florida. "

and yes, his clemson article pissed the fucking shit outta me.

[Edited on April 10, 2006 at 10:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/10/2006 10:15:20 PM

Could you people please stop giving Doyel the attention he desparately wants? It's one thing to be aware of what he writes but most the resposnses just helps him to justify his cause.

4/10/2006 10:33:27 PM

yeah, the !%@&^@ actually reads this site.

[Edited on April 10, 2006 at 10:50 PM. Reason : .]

4/10/2006 10:50:39 PM

douche

4/10/2006 10:55:37 PM

gg

4/10/2006 11:09:58 PM

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"Naw, I think you're just stupid. Guess that goes right along with graduating from Florida."

wtf?

4/10/2006 11:39:35 PM

we all know doyle sucks dont read is shit and dont write him, he gets a rise from pissed off state fans

4/11/2006 2:44:37 AM

^who's alias are you?


I'm just fuckin' with ya

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 3:25 AM. Reason : goodnight.]

4/11/2006 3:23:51 AM

jesus christ... good points and all, but learn how to write intelligibly...

4/11/2006 3:48:42 AM