I just found this and I found it to be quite interesting. Are there other pharmacies that have opted to not stock the Plan B Morning After pill? target? grocery store pharmacies? even CVS/Eckerds/Kerr Drug? or is Wal-Mart the only one?

It seems as if Wal-Mart would be a good choice for a place to carry that pill, since it holds long hours, and as the quote says, is often a person's only option for a pharmacy (not here, but in other locations).

Quote :

"Wal-Mart - the nation's largest retail pharmacy - has been denying millions of American women the opportunity to prevent unintended pregnancy. The store has refused to stock the "morning-after pill", or Plan B, a legally approved birth control option for women. The good news is that three Massachusetts women who sued Wal-Mart recently won their battle in Massachusetts, forcing Wal-Mart to stock Plan B in their state. But there are still 49 other states where women don't have access to this form of contraception at Wal-Mart! And in areas where Wal-Mart has eliminated all other retail competition, Wal-Mart can often be a woman's only pharmacy option. Join NARAL Pro-Choice America to demand that Wal-Mart to stock the morning-after pill in all its stores in every state! It's time to tell Wal-Mart's CEO Lee Scott that it is neither his nor anyone's place to decide which medicines women have the right to take. As a retail pharmacy, it is Wal-Mart's job to stock any and all legally-approved medications. Call on Wal-Mart to end this blatant act of discrimination against women and to fufill its duty to provide access to the "morning-after pill" today! "

4/12/2006 10:53:49 AM

i think its obvious.

the majority of wal-mart's workforce and customer base was once an unplanned pregnancy.

they need the white trash workforce to procreate in the backs of cameros to fuel the wal-mart locomotive.

[Edited on April 12, 2006 at 10:58 AM. Reason : ]

4/12/2006 10:58:09 AM

Just shop somewhere else for birth control. Do that, and you've saved yourself a pointless trip to Walmart and $texas in court costs.

4/12/2006 10:59:07 AM

uppity whores, wal-mart can sell what they want

4/12/2006 10:59:55 AM

Here's the thing, though. Does this really surprise anybody? Walmart is a "family friendly" company, of course they can't be expected to sell birth control. This is the same company that sells EDITED R-rated movies and, in most cases, refuses to carry M-rated games.

4/12/2006 11:02:39 AM

Can you really force someone to sell a product they don't wish to sell? And it's not like Plan B is their only option for birth control.

4/12/2006 11:04:59 AM

Yes, Wal-Mart is allowed to sell whatever they please... but are they refusing sale because it's a form of "ooops I fucked up" birth control... or because the company that supplies the meds doesn't comply with one of their demands (i.e. all things that are sold through Wal-Mart have to have a building on their site in Arkansas... it's like flippin' Walmart World out there or something... you should hear the Wal-Mart people try to sell it... it's hilarious)

Now that I think about it, their clientelle would be highly prone to abusing the ability to access the drug.

In all honesty, I don't give a damn whether they carry it or not...

[Edited on April 12, 2006 at 11:10 AM. Reason : ^^ good point. The movies & games had completely slipped my mind.]

4/12/2006 11:07:56 AM

the best for would be to not spread your legs

4/12/2006 11:08:08 AM

wait, they sale edited r movies??

4/12/2006 11:08:35 AM

Yes, and they do not disclose it.
It's another example of powerful people collaborating to control you.

4/12/2006 11:10:55 AM

The walmart folks who pitch IT department jobs scare me....

They try to make forcing everyone to live in Wally World Alabama sound like an awesome thing and it doesnt matter that they pay way below industry average because it's "so cheap" to live there...

There was more "spin" in that presentation than at the ballet.

[Edited on April 12, 2006 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2006 11:14:25 AM

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"It's time to tell Wal-Mart's CEO Lee Scott that it is neither his nor anyone's place to decide which medicines women have the right to take. As a retail pharmacy, it is Wal-Mart's job to stock any and all legally-approved medications. "

actually it is his place. i don't see how you can legally require a store to sell certain products. it disturbs me that people have won court cases over this. i suppose now people are going to sue chickfila over not being open on sunday.

to the original post - in a business week article, it stated that only wal-mart out of the top 10 pharmacies chose not to sell it.

[Edited on April 12, 2006 at 11:23 AM. Reason : er]

4/12/2006 11:16:49 AM

^I agree

It's not Wal-Mart's responsibility to make sure every low-income woman has access to Plan B. Even my small town of ~2000 residents has a CVS, so access to a drug store can not be an argument against Wal-Mart.

4/12/2006 11:33:27 AM

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"2006: Wal-Mart required to sell the morning after pill in Massachusetts stores. It later changes its corporate policy and begins carrying it nationwide."

just found that on the timeline listed in wikipedia

But yeah, that's what I was talking about LadyWolff... "it's so cheap to live here".... oh, but wait, I have to buy a house quickly before its price doubles because so many people are moving here because Wal-Mart has tricked the uneducated into thinking it's a great idea! /rant

4/12/2006 11:36:34 AM

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"It's not Wal-Mart's responsibility to make sure every low-income woman has access to Plan B"

Thanks for qualifying that "low-income" part

Wal-mart also does not allow AO video games. They had to yank GTA San Andreas off their shelves once the rating on it changed.

4/12/2006 11:38:32 AM

i mean just think of the snowball effects of that type of a court decision.

- let's sue wal-mart for not carrying the brand of tires that i want to buy
- let's sue mcd's for not selling spaghetti!

i'd be more bothered if they chose not to sell a life or death type of drug like cancer meds. if someone is raped, they can get it at the hospital. this is a "i fucked up" pill for everyone. it is a little different in my mind at least. why should a retail store have to provide this? you should have gone there beforehand and bought condoms. they do sell those btw.

4/12/2006 11:40:54 AM

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"actually it is his place. i don't see how you can legally require a store to sell certain products. it disturbs me that people have won court cases over this. i suppose now people are going to sue chickfila over not being open on sunday."

no shit, this is ridiculous. walmart can sell or not sell whatever they want, within legal limits. the idea that it's not the ceo of walmart's place to decide whether or not to sell something is crazy.

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"It's time to tell Wal-Mart's CEO Lee Scott that it is neither his nor anyone's place to decide which medicines women have the right to take. As a retail pharmacy, it is Wal-Mart's job to stock any and all legally-approved medications."

i mean, he's not deciding which medicines women have the right to take. he's deciding which ones he wants to sell. this is a ridiculous argument. it doesn't matter if walmart IS the only pharmacy for miles. that's not their responsibility, it's yours. if you want more access to a different pharmacy, move or make the drive.

and for those of you who don't realized what i'm all about, understand that i'm NOT against the morning after pill. in fact, one of the things related to this right now that pisses me off royally is pharmacists who refuse to sell it to people even when it's being stocked by their stores, but the stores don't fire them. THAT is ridiculous.

[Edited on April 12, 2006 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2006 11:45:46 AM

Simple economics dictates that if there is demand for a product and Store A does not carry it, but Store B does, then consumers will purchase said product from Store B, while Store A loses out on potential revenue.

4/12/2006 11:47:51 AM

i went to bilo to by condoms once. they were locked up in a glass case at the pharmacy. wtf. I asked and they told me that no one was there with the key at that time.

I went to harris teeter.

4/12/2006 11:50:50 AM

Quote :

""Wal-Mart - the nation's largest retail pharmacy - has been denying millions of American women the opportunity to prevent unintended pregnancy. "

Those bastards and their ideals. This is America god dammit, and they should be forced to sell something they don't want to sell.

4/12/2006 12:02:39 PM

^ a lot of businesses lock up condoms in a case... the fact that they couldn't open it, well, that's another issue all by itself

I fully understand and agree that it is Walmart's decision whether or not to sell the drug... and as stated above, it is an "i fucked up" drug for everyone. Plus, the drug itself, as stated here:

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" When a woman needs Plan B, she will have to get it very quickly. She can only start it within 72 hours (three days) after intercourse. But, sooner is better than later. On day one, 95% of pregnancies are prevented, compared with 85% on the second day, and 60% for those starting on the third day. "

will have a higher probability of preventing pregnancy the earlier it is ingested, but if you made the mistake, you'd have to take responsibility for it. so, having to drive the distance to get it... you've got ~24 hours... it's not like you're going to realize you f*cked up 3 days later.

I'm done... not even really sure why I started this thread... just kinda seemed like something worthy of talking about... it's as good as any other tdub thread, anyway.

4/12/2006 12:06:51 PM

The problem with the "basic" economics Store A and Store B argument above, is in lots of little towns Walmart is the *only* option. They ran out all the mom and pop stores, and there isn't another pharmacy for several hours drive. I've been in areas like this on visits, if that walmart chooses to not stock a medicine, the town doesnt have access to it unless they find a special way to have it shipped in, which obviously wont work in this case.

I fully agree a store has a right to stock or not stock what they choose, however that's normal retail, pharmacy stores have extra obligations to their community (or so I should think), and have less rights to choose what to stock and what not to. It's not like they're choosing that they dont wanna stock G-strings, we're talking prescription medicine here. I think that's a *big* difference.

There are stores in the USA that wont even stock birth control, even though they're the ONLY option in an area, becuase the pharmacists say it's "immoral". Meaning that hundreds of women in that area have no option becuase someone ELSE decided what should and shouldnt be moral for them. If you're allowed to make a moral choice on one drug - ie plan B. then that opens the door to make a moral choice on any drug. And that pisses me the fuck off. Good for the women who sued.

I see no reason why any given pharmacy shouldnt be required to start stocking a medicine if the prescriptions for it are coming in. IT's not like they're not going to make money off it if they're being *asked* to sell it. Nor do I see a problem distinguishing pharmacies from other types of retail stores who , because we're not talking people's health etc, certainly dont need to be subjected to those kinds of rules. Nobody's going to have unwanted kids, die, or get sick because they couldnt have a new halter top.


[Edited on April 12, 2006 at 12:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/12/2006 12:13:26 PM

I think the pill would be worth a several hour long drive. What about hospitals, i'm sure they would stock them.

4/12/2006 12:22:05 PM

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"I see no reason why any given pharmacy shouldnt be required to start stocking a medicine if the prescriptions for it are coming in."

because we are not a communist country.

4/12/2006 12:37:53 PM

Quote :

"in lots of little towns Walmart is the *only* option. They ran out all the mom and pop stores, and there isn't another pharmacy for several hours drive. I've been in areas like this on visits, if that walmart chooses to not stock a medicine, the town doesnt have access to it unless they find a special way to have it shipped in"

that shit sucks. issue in and of itself. errbody needs access to meds, regardless of moral issues.

4/12/2006 12:50:30 PM

Town governments need to stand up and not allow wal-mart to build. Lots of places have done this already.

4/12/2006 12:53:33 PM

Wal-mart strikes me as hypocritical. They won't sell you vulgar music, but they'll sell you rated R movies. They won't sell you a morning after pill, but they'll hire your pathetic white trash ass after your family kicks you out for being pregnant.

4/12/2006 12:53:55 PM

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"They won't sell you vulgar music, but they'll sell you rated R movies. They won't sell you a morning after pill, but they'll hire your pathetic white trash ass after your family kicks you out for being pregnant."

a.) their r rated movies are edited, as discussed previously
b.) they believe that women should have their babies rather than abort them (assuming htey see the morning after pill as abortion), so it actually makes sense that they would hire pregnant women. also, it's illegal to refuse to hire a pregnant woman, I would think.

not that I'm defending walmart. they're awful. but your points didn't make much sense

4/12/2006 1:38:39 PM

i think its obvious.

the majority of wal-mart's workforce and customer base was once an unplanned pregnancy.

they need the white trash workforce to procreate in the backs of cameros to fuel the wal-mart locomotive.

4/12/2006 2:56:39 PM

^ding ding ding

And I've never bought a movie there, so I was making an ASSumption on that one.

4/12/2006 3:07:48 PM

well neither have i, I just read the thread

4/12/2006 3:37:02 PM

I agree that normal stores shouldn't be compelled to stock any item they don't want to, but I feel that pharmacies (especially in cases where there little or no choice about which pharmacy to use) have a responisibilty to the public to carry any medication that could reasonably be prescribed.
While I feel this is common sense, maybe we need legislation to prevent fucktard fundamentalists from forcing their bullshit morality on the public.

4/12/2006 4:37:38 PM

it's stupid for Wally World not to carry it, and it's stupid to try to force them to.

4/12/2006 4:39:31 PM

Wal-Mart doesn't sell porn. They're violating my 1st amendment rights!

4/12/2006 4:46:43 PM

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

4/12/2006 4:49:55 PM

^ exactly.

4/12/2006 4:57:45 PM

Wal-Mart is not a religion.

4/12/2006 7:02:03 PM

I think this one is much more needed here:

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" The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

4/12/2006 10:32:32 PM

let me tell you what the immigration probem is really caused by.....
http://mediamatters.org/items/200604120014

4/12/2006 10:40:21 PM

Quote :

"Colson asked: "But what's the root of the [illegal immigration] problem? Why do we have a shortage of workers? Aha, that's the unspeakable 'A' word that the elite dread the most: abortion." According to Colson, "The reason we must allow millions of illegal aliens in to fill these jobs is because we have murdered a generation that would otherwise be filling them: 40 million sacrificed since 1973 to the god of self-fulfillment. And Americans are barely maintaining a replacement-level birthrate of 2.1 children per woman.""

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4/12/2006 11:09:43 PM

It's because the largest percentage of their shoppers are Mexican...everyone knows Mexicans are devout Catholics and have like 10 babies each...


...j/k, but yeah, I think it should be Walmart's perogative...they should be able to sell whatever they want to sell.

That's just like my husband (at the time boyfriend), who is allergic to latex, went to buy condoms from a drug store near campus and they didn't have latex-free ones. So, if I got pregnant, should I sue the drug store?

4/12/2006 11:25:23 PM

^prerogative

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"I think this one is much more needed here:"

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=400982

4/12/2006 11:47:17 PM

i know

4/13/2006 12:02:54 AM

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"While I feel this is common sense, maybe we need legislation to prevent ******** fundamentalists from forcing their ******** morality on the public."

So not selling something is the same as forcing people to do things now? BTW - let's pass a law that forces people not to force people to not do something. I hate how fundamentalists do things, let's force them to stop. Pot meet kettle.

That would be a bit of interesting legislation though... run a draft of that bill by me.

Sure, Wal-Mart may be the only pharmacy close to more rural areas but is that a good argument for why they should be forced to stock something they don't want to stock? Why not take it a step further and force Wal-Mart to build stores in remote locations where people still don't have easy access to any pharmacy?

[Edited on April 13, 2006 at 8:17 AM. Reason : -]

4/13/2006 8:11:09 AM

What if it wasn't the morning after pill in question here? What if they quit carrying heart medications for old people or adderall for ADD kids?

4/13/2006 10:00:24 AM

I guess people on those medications would have to go someplace else. It isn't rocket political science.

[Edited on April 13, 2006 at 10:06 AM. Reason : -]

4/13/2006 10:05:48 AM

Quote :

"in lots of little towns Walmart is the *only* option. They ran out all the mom and pop stores, and there isn't another pharmacy for several hours drive. I've been in areas like this on visits, if that walmart chooses to not stock a medicine, the town doesnt have access to it unless they find a special way to have it shipped in"

4/13/2006 10:22:24 AM

^So, everyone will be driving to Canada to buy affordable meds in the near future anyway.

4/13/2006 10:27:45 AM

SIMPSONS DID IT!

4/13/2006 10:28:43 AM

Quote :

"There are stores in the USA that wont even stock birth control, even though they're the ONLY option in an area, becuase the pharmacists say it's "immoral". Meaning that hundreds of women in that area have no option becuase someone ELSE decided what should and shouldnt be moral for them. If you're allowed to make a moral choice on one drug - ie plan B. then that opens the door to make a moral choice on any drug. And that pisses me the fuck off. Good for the women who sued."

You fucking communist. They invented the internet and they sell condoms and birth control on it. Also, do you think we should force at least one store in every town to sell porno and guns? Because if they don't sell that because they consider it immoral, how am I going to get them if I don't think they're immoral. Under your reasoning, we should have a vice store in every rural area REQUIRED to be there and forced to sell all kinds of shit they don't want. If the government wants to open up a chain of pharmacies, then they should have to carry it, but not a privately run one like Wal-Mart.

These women should get stabbed, not applauded.

4/13/2006 10:37:08 AM