i saw the other guy's thread and it reminded me that i wanted to make this

i currently have 7 corns, and am looking to get rid of a few (possibly all, i just don't know right now)...i have 2 morphs (one amelanistic and amelanistic motley) that i would like to sell (one is a proven breeder, the other is juvenile, so i don't know) but there are 5 "regular" corns that i am willing to give away (though all 5 are het for something)

for giving them away, my only concern is finding someone who actually realizes what snake care entails (not that corns are hard, because they're not...but i don't want to give them to some idiot who won't take care of them)

if i don't find anyone, i suppose i'll just let them go on my parents' farm - like i said, they have the normal patterson/coloration, and since snakes aren't really subject to domestication (UNLESS you handle them on a regular basis, which i haven't in nearly a year aside from weekly feeding), they should be just fine on 250 acres of woods/fields/river/etc.

forgot to mention, i have a number of aquariums that i'd be happy to sell - one 5-gallon, 2 or 3 10-gallon tanks, 2 20-gallon longs, and possibly the 95-gallon when/if i get rid of all my snakes...most of the cages have screen tops with clips

two of the 10-gallon tanks won't hold water because i used them for mice and they chewed up the silicon seals pretty badly

[Edited on April 22, 2006 at 5:37 PM. Reason : tanks for sale]

4/22/2006 5:35:20 PM

i'll def be interested in buyin some tanks from you after the reptile show.


If you dont sell them all by then, I'll pm you with some offers.


Are these corns WC or CB?

4/22/2006 5:42:49 PM

sorry, i have SIX snakes (i keep forgetting)

all captive...two of them are sisters (the huge 6-foot amel that i've had for more than 10 years now) and another one that's only 2 years old (she's normal, but het for amel...sister by many clutches of separation), two of the other normals ones are brother and sister (same clutch, het for anery, i believe), my other full grown adult and amel motley were both given to me by a local friend who doesn't really breed, but was surprised when he found eggs in his tank ...i helped him incubate and hatch them, so he gave me two of them

4/22/2006 5:59:03 PM

Do these snakes come with a plane or a Samuel L. Jackson action figure?

4/22/2006 6:14:18 PM

as a matter of fact, you choose one of three planes, and the standard slj figurine, or the new and improved "alterative" (read: white) slj for racists!

4/22/2006 6:16:42 PM

i'm interested in the 5 gallon tank, and maybe a 10.

4/22/2006 6:21:05 PM

i've got 3 people interested in snakes, and 5 interested in tanks...just fyi

4/22/2006 9:07:13 PM

any pics of the free snakes?

4/22/2006 10:23:44 PM

i will take some tonight when i go back home for my brother's bday

4/23/2006 12:24:33 PM

I am interested in the snakes YOU DO NOT want to release them. That is a really really bad idea.

4/23/2006 1:31:20 PM

my roommate is seriously interested in getting a pet snake, he has never had one before but wants one and would need all of the equipment. email kfwhite@ncsu.edu if you would like to sell him a full setup and pet.

4/23/2006 5:30:23 PM

If you have any breedable size females still available I am especially interested

4/23/2006 7:40:13 PM

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"Are these corns WC or CB?"

avery, im gonna smack you lol....


the regular corns, if they are subadult or adults, please PM me....

4/23/2006 8:31:31 PM

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"YOU DO NOT want to release them. That is a really really bad idea."

give me one good reason why releasing an undomesticated animal with normal coloration into an area where it is found naturally, where there is little human presence, is a bad idea

as for everyone else...i've had a heck of a weekend with work and school, i didn't get the pics...however, i will get them asap, and get back to everyone

to those who are new to snakes and are interested, melissa kaplan has some decent info:

http://www.anapsid.org/corn.html

and at a quick glance,

http://www.cornsnake.net/care.php3,
http://www.reptilecare.com/CornSnakeCaresheet.htm, and
http://www.kingsnake.com/rockymountain/RMHPages/RMHnewpage11.htm

seem to provide a pretty basic understanding of what's required...i disagree with some of the things they say, but for the most part, those three links should give a novice the basics

[Edited on April 24, 2006 at 8:38 AM. Reason : links]

4/24/2006 8:36:03 AM

1. While the coloration may be normal to you they are most likely NOT typical North Carolina Corn coloration. From a scientific perspective you are ruining the genetics of any population around your farm. Therefore any future study in the area could be compromised by your actions. Also you have stated that the snakes you have are het for "something"... I won't even go into that.
2. These snakes may be completely healthy but that doesn't mean that they aren't carrying a disease which they happen to be immune to because of their ancestral locale. This disease which they are carriers of could decimate the local populations of related snakes (this includes rat snakes of all types, king snakes, and possibly even Pine snakes). Also many diseases such as Cryptosporidium can be carried by certain snakes without the snake ever showing symptoms.

I don't blame you for wanting to release the animals rather than them not having a decent home but it really isn't a responsible thing to do.

4/24/2006 1:13:31 PM

Quote :

"1. While the coloration may be normal to you they are most likely NOT typical North Carolina Corn coloration. From a scientific perspective you are ruining the genetics of any population around your farm. Therefore any future study in the area could be compromised by your actions. Also you have stated that the snakes you have are het for "something"... I won't even go into that."

they most likely ARE typical north carolina corn coloration...either that, or the corn that lives in our barn was also released by a mile-away neighbor (possible, but i doubt it)...additionally, i couldn't care less about any studies done around our house...if a snake i release does just as well as any wild born snake, then the ecology won't be affected and it won't make a bit of difference...as for the het characteristics, in my experience (limited, but certainly more experience than your average snake owner), since the vast majority (i would go so far as to say all, but that's a mistake) of morphs are recessive, a released snake would have to breed with a snake who was also het for something...considering the population i have in my house, that's not possible, so it would have to be with a wild snake...and so what if a morph is born? mutations happen in nature all the time - the beneficial ones thrive, the detrimental ones don't last too long...i understand your points, but i don't consider them valid

Quote :

"2. These snakes may be completely healthy but that doesn't mean that they aren't carrying a disease which they happen to be immune to because of their ancestral locale. This disease which they are carriers of could decimate the local populations of related snakes (this includes rat snakes of all types, king snakes, and possibly even Pine snakes). Also many diseases such as Cryptosporidium can be carried by certain snakes without the snake ever showing symptoms."

this is a point that i agree is entirely possible...however, when i get a new snake, i get each one checked out thoroughly before i introduce it into my population...the few snakes that i have bought instead of bred have all been from reputable dealers, and i have NEVER had a snake come down with anything that the vet has ever mentioned (and of course i haven't seen mites or anything like that)...i agree with you that releasing cb snakes into a wild population could have the same effect as introducing smallpox-carrying europeans into the native american population, but that's a slightly skewed example...the chance for me harming the wild population in any discernable way with any detrimental consquences is minimal, at best

i'm not trying to be a jerk...i think you have points that need to be made in a lot of cases, your points exemplify what so many people do wrong...but in all sincerity, i don't believe they apply to this situation

4/24/2006 4:17:36 PM

Adder, let me say this for everyone. SHUT THE HELL UP! There are like 3 snakes and I SERIOUSLY doubt they would pose any REAL threat. IT would be like releasing my rabbit, WHO CARES!? GO AWAY!

4/24/2006 4:48:48 PM

If you cannot find homes for all of your snakes please keep me in mind as I would be more than happy to take them in (and prevent them from being released). Regardless of the small chances of infection / gene pollution for the wild population a good home is preferable to letting them go.

4/24/2006 4:59:49 PM

And lckygtp01, suck a dick you fucking moron.

4/24/2006 5:00:39 PM

^^^ oh what the hell, are u serious?!? do u have any sort of ecological knowledge whatsoever?? or are u just another ignorant redneck. this is the sort of thing that has fucked florida up so much (florida being an exaggeration of course, but its the same line of thought). if u want to look at shit in the strictest sense, u shouldnt even take a corn snake from the southern piedmont of NC to the northern piedmont. mixing foreign blood not only could cause mutations that wouldn't normally occur for hundreds of yrs as that blood line slowly makes its way north or what have you - but any snake brought into captivity is likely to pick up foreign disease. there was an instance up north of a released box turtle that ended up wiping out an entire local population - b/c the captive animal was carrying a disease which it was immune to, but when introduced into the wild, none of the local animals were resistant.
as for the het thing, yeah, most are recessive, but not all are. not to mention the fact there the mutation that occurs might not be detrimental. it could produce a striped corn snake phase that for some reason ensures survival. where it'd be nice that more and more snakes would survive - but since it was a "man-made" introduction of an animal that shouldn't have been there (and i'm referring to the individual, not the species), it wouldn't be right.
i agree ur chances of harming the wild population are small, but on the slim chance that something is wrong, then that problem would fuck up the whole place. a more responsible thing to do, if you can't find a home for the snakes, would be to euthanize them. it is extremely wrong in my eyes, but releasing a foreign snake (foreign to that specific area) is worse. the only times a relocation can be considered be benign would be if a snake was captured say 10 miles from one location, and was relocated due to a habitat threat or human threat. if i find a snake in someone's yard. i will relocate it to a safe place, but rarely will i go further than 10 miles from the original location. specific genes pools are present in nature for a reason.

4/24/2006 6:01:24 PM

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"but since it was a "man-made" introduction of an animal that shouldn't have been there (and i'm referring to the individual, not the species), it wouldn't be right."

listen, you're preaching to the choir...while the odds that i'd even impact an existing population in any significant way, let alone wipe out an entire population is incredibly remote, i agree with you...i really don't like the thought of contaminating natural evolution with human-induced changes...i also agree with you concerning florida - a perfect example of what happens when too many stupid people are allowed to do stupid things

HOWEVER, when it comes to things like this, what i try to realize is that every thing we do is part of OUR evolutionn (and therefore, part of the planet's) - natural history is chock full of one species impacting another, even to the point of extinction...

wow, this thread has certainly gone a different direction...anywho, adder, i will certainly keep you in mind if i really do need to get rid of some and can't find homes...at this point in time, i'm only sure i'm letting go of two, and i have more than enough people who are interested (and i'll be getting back to you all later this week...i'm swamped, and i don't have time to run home to my parents' to take pictures and such...expect to hear from me close to the weekend)

4/24/2006 6:09:06 PM

keep me in mind as well for any of those corns, I DO NOT want these things released into the wild....

4/25/2006 8:07:53 AM

tanks that i have available:

2 20-gallon longs (will hold water)
1 10-gallon regular (will NOT hold water)

accessories:

2 screen lids that will fit long aquariums (one has a hole in the top where the guy who had it before me mounted a light for his beardie)
1 screen lid for 10-gallon
clips for all

would like to get $10 for the 10-gallon, $20 for each 20-gallon, $7 for the 10-gallon lid, $10 for the 20-gallon with the hole (as long as you have something like a beardie, shouldn't make a bit of difference), and $13 for the 20-gallon screen lid without a hole)...clips are $3 by themselves, or free with lids

5/1/2006 2:35:40 PM

I'd like to buy one of your 20 gal tanks for my corn.

5/1/2006 5:25:45 PM

bttt

5/1/2006 6:55:46 PM