http://www.wral.com/news/9066512/detail.html

Do you think this deserves jail time though?

Sure it sucks and she was possibly being irresponsible... but... why does JAIL have to punish everything?

Thoughts?

4/28/2006 1:04:18 PM

you're right skip jail and just give her a couple of lashings, and take our her ovaries so she can't do this again.

4/28/2006 1:04:50 PM

that's really sad

4/28/2006 1:07:12 PM

That's horrible.

4/28/2006 1:07:19 PM

to me, this is kinda like the principle behind DUI. Intoxication is not necessarily a crime, but when your intoxication causes harm to someone else (passing out on your nursing baby), then you should be held accountable for it.

4/28/2006 1:08:28 PM

I wish they had some background info on the lady so we could pass better judgement


Like, if she was a 19 year old white trash high school dropout who didnt know who the babies daddy was and drank all the time and had a crinimal background, then jail her for life



But it sorta sounds from this article that she's a respectable older woman who had a few beers, wanted to tend to her baby, dozed off while nursing and just had horrible luck.

4/28/2006 1:34:51 PM

man that's depressing

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 1:37 PM. Reason : oh man...and that was an unintentional zinger......]

4/28/2006 1:37:24 PM

she probably shouldnt be drinking while shes nursing anyway. thats pretty neglectful in itself, but being so drunk that you fall asleep on your kid and kill it...yeah, you suck.

4/28/2006 1:46:06 PM

I don't feel like paying taxes to keep her in prison. She needs substance abuse counseling or something. She trauma she is experiencing for killing her own child is most likely punishment enough.

4/28/2006 1:50:44 PM

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"man that's depressing [Edited on April 28, 2006 at 1:37 PM. Reason : oh man...and that was an unintentional zinger......]"

dude...

4/28/2006 1:51:58 PM

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"she probably shouldnt be drinking while shes nursing anyway. thats pretty neglectful in itself, but being so drunk that you fall asleep on your kid and kill it...yeah, you suck."

it's ok to drink while nursing...it actually helps the baby go to sleep if they are cranky/crying. same line as putting rum in a baby's milk when they're teething

4/28/2006 2:10:35 PM

4/28/2006 2:11:49 PM

Man

Why did I laugh when I read this was in OSHKOSH.

4/28/2006 2:12:39 PM

^^^are you being serious?

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 2:13 PM. Reason : ,]

4/28/2006 2:13:10 PM

uhhh yep...ask your mom if she ever drank a glass of wine or two (if she breastfed you) so that you would go to sleep. or if when you were teething she put rum or some other alcohol on your gums or in your milk to ease the pain...it's an old home remedy that doctors would (i dunno about STILL so imma take that out) recommend.

you don't get your kid loaded or anything...but apparently the little bit of alcohol that does pass through the mother's milk is fine.

i'm not gonna say TODAY it's "fine" but i wouldn't be surprised if this woman, like me, has heard this same old home remedy and thought she'd be okay and then unfortunately fell asleep on top of the baby

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 2:20 PM. Reason : ]

and before you all go attacking my character...i don't have any kids and don't plan to have any kids anytime soon...but believe me if i was i would make sure from my doctor it was okay before i did any of my own home remedies. this is just what i've heard and i know my mom did once or twice when my brother was a baby (maybe that's what's wrong with him ) but they usually drove him around in the car to put him to sleep. apparently i was not as fussy and liked to sleep a lot.

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 2:23 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2006 2:15:45 PM

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"i'm not gonna say TODAY it's "fine" but i wouldn't be surprised if this woman, like me, has heard this same old home remedy and thought she'd be okay and then unfortunately fell asleep on top of the baby"

According to the link, she was getting drunk while bowling. I somehow doubt she was thinking "hey, this will help my baby sleep better" or "I wonder how much of this alcohol will be transferred to the breast mill?" She was probably some dumb redneck or ghetto trash that was too stupid or irresponsible to have any kids. If the baby didn't die from being suffocated now, it probably would have ended up dead or in prison later in life.

4/28/2006 2:27:15 PM

you're prolly right.

i was more trying to answer alabaster's question of being serious than defend this woman.

4/28/2006 2:34:00 PM

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"she probably shouldnt be drinking while shes nursing anyway. thats pretty neglectful in itself, but being so drunk that you fall asleep on your kid and kill it...yeah, you suck. "

right on...

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"it's ok to drink while nursing...it actually helps the baby go to sleep if they are cranky/crying. same line as putting rum in a baby's milk when they're teething"

"junior's crying an awful lot tonight, honey...what should we do? we'll give him a thimble full of 151 and that should do the trick...wow, you're a genius, honey, i wish we'd thought of giving alcohol to our first child and things would've been so much easier"

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 2:48 PM. Reason : rollin']

4/28/2006 2:47:23 PM

being a mother to an infant seems like a really time & energy consuming job... is she not supposed to have any drinks or social activities for the entire time the child is feeding off her? People said the child was suffocated... how? Did it just not take breathing breaks or use its nose while nursing?

4/28/2006 2:48:31 PM

rubbing rum on the lips has worked since rum was invented without any problems

no reason for you pussy ass hippies to change it now

4/28/2006 2:50:11 PM

^^Mothers can have a social life and stuff, but they should draw the line at getting wasted and passing out on their kid.

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2006 2:50:31 PM

"hi bartender! i'll have a martini, shaken not stirred...junior here will have a white russian...one thing, though...could you use the milk from my wife's tit...we're really concerned about the health and development of our infant son and don't want him ingesting cow's milk..."

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 3:03 PM. Reason : spin]

4/28/2006 3:03:03 PM

^you are a fucking idiot

4/28/2006 3:05:58 PM

yes! i love a good troll in the afternoon

4/28/2006 3:06:37 PM

as opposed to in the morning...?

4/28/2006 3:21:53 PM

oh yes...see in the morning i can be quite cranky myself and usually drink a bottle of rum to ease the pain. so in the afternoon i'm quite lethargic

4/28/2006 3:28:53 PM

I dont care how drunk you are, you don't fall asleep with a child hanging off your "breast"! Definitely foul play! And you don't drink while breast feeding anyways!! Ask any doctor-or someone who has had a child- and they will tell you that drinking while nursing your child is a HUGE NO-NO!! If your kid is cranky or crying you give them TYLENOL or Benedryl--not ALCOHOL!
They can have a social life, but drinking should not be involved. If drinking is your only option in your social life after you have a child--well, that's just sad.
(I've had 2 friends and an Aunt have babies recently, so I do know what I'm talking about. I asked one's doctor myself.)

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 3:34 PM. Reason : trashy ]

4/28/2006 3:32:50 PM

PS: Tit sounds so trashy. Please refer to them as breasts.

4/28/2006 3:33:43 PM

musta been some big ol titties to smother the kid

4/28/2006 3:34:36 PM

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"ask your mom if she ever drank a glass of wine or two (if she breastfed you) so that you would go to sleep"

I am so glad I don't have a drunkard mom who cannot handle me making a few noises before I NATURALLY goto sleep

4/28/2006 3:36:30 PM

^Agreed with Gargs for the first time....

4/28/2006 3:37:31 PM

I am very agreeable, and a genuinely nice guy. I have never talked to you, but I remember you posting that I am creepy because I was in the gym at the same time as you.

I thought that was retarded.

4/28/2006 3:39:42 PM

like this thread...alcohol and breastfeeding is a conflicting issue

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/preg/a/aa000801a.htm

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 3:42 PM. Reason : t]

4/28/2006 3:42:14 PM

I don't think I saw you at the gym...if I did it was long enough ago that I don't remember it. I did see you at the library once.

You would have been creepy for reasons other than me just seeing you at the same place at the same time as me.

4/28/2006 3:42:26 PM

no

I remember you saying it was at the gym.

Anyway, I am not creepy, so never say it again, else I am gonna get mad.

4/28/2006 3:44:31 PM

Don't get mad, k?

4/28/2006 3:45:25 PM

4/28/2006 3:46:02 PM

I can speak as a mother on this one...I have a son who I breastfed for 2 months...I couldn't continue breastfeeding because, without going into detail, my milk dried up.

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"People said the child was suffocated... how? Did it just not take breathing breaks or use its nose while nursing? "

Well, when you are nursing a baby, you generally don't lay on top of it. I'm sure she probably had the baby to her side or something. She probably either leaned over on it while sitting up and squished its face into her where it couldn't breathe, or she was laying down nursing and rolled over on it.

Also, drinking while breastfeeding is a very very bad idea. I just don't see how any caring mother, in their right mind, could drink while breastfeeding. I understand, sort of, why mothers "back in the day" did it. I guess research proving the effects of alcohol on a fetus/newborn hadn't been conduted as thoroughly as it has been today. I mean, think about it. Drinking while breastfeeding is generally the same as drinking while pregnant. Yes, your child has physically developed after it is born, but its brain is still developing at a high rate. If your baby has fetal alcohol syndrome when born, it will look different (cleft lip, etc), not to mention the internal effects. However, drinking while you are breastfeeding can have detramental effects to your newborn's brain. It may not even be able to be detected until later in life. Depending on the concentration of alcohol you drink, you can cause your child to have anything from learning disabilities to mental retardation. Think people.

4/28/2006 3:50:47 PM

^I was waiting for you to enter this conversation...I knew you would! How is your wee one BTW?

4/28/2006 3:52:48 PM

He's good...not so "wee" anymore...hehe.

4/28/2006 3:54:00 PM

bewbs

4/28/2006 3:54:17 PM

It goes fast! I LOOOVE OTHER PEOPLE'S babies!

4/28/2006 3:54:50 PM

ok b/c i feel like i'm starting to get personally attacked here as more and more people start coming in the thread and flipping out about my original statements...IMMA POST THIS ONE MORE FUCKING TIME

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"and before you all go attacking my character...i don't have any kids and don't plan to have any kids anytime soon...but believe me if i was i would make sure from my doctor it was okay before i did any of my own home remedies. this is just what i've heard and i know my mom did once or twice when my brother was a baby (maybe that's what's wrong with him ) but they usually drove him around in the car to put him to sleep. apparently i was not as fussy and liked to sleep a lot."

4/28/2006 3:56:26 PM

Just an FYI: I'm not personally attacking you. I'm sure your parents raised you to the best of their ability and your mom didn't go out and get trashed every night and then breastfeed you. I'm generally speaking more about these alcoholic moms who go out, get drunk, then come home to a hungry baby and breastfeed. In situations like that, people should just use formula, not to mention they really shouldn't have children. Your parents probably raised you before they did all of the alcohol vs fetal/newborn development research conducted within the past 10-15 years. I was just giving my opinion...no harm intended toward you or the way you were raised.

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 4:01 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/28/2006 4:01:01 PM

what are ppls thoughts on smoking while preg?

4/28/2006 4:02:26 PM

^Another bad idea.

4/28/2006 4:02:47 PM

All pregnant women know that a doctor specifically advises not to eat ANY KIND of processed food during and immediately after pregnancy

4/28/2006 4:03:53 PM

oh i know you weren't...i just felt the need to restate myself for my own peace of mind.

4/28/2006 4:04:03 PM

nicotine is a drug...alcohol is a drug...same principal, just different (bad) effects and a different drug. Moms who smoke while pregnant generally give birth to underweight babies with a high chance of birth defects. Breastfeeding while smoking still gives your child nicotine. It could lead to some developmental disabilities as well as addicting your child to nicotine. When you quit breastfeeding, you will possibly have a very very cranky baby that will go through something similar to what a mild crack baby would experience (of course nicotine isn't as "bad" as crack, but it's definitely not healthy). It will be addicted to nicotine and have to go through withdrawals.

4/28/2006 4:06:31 PM

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"it's ok to drink while nursing...it actually helps the baby go to sleep if they are cranky/crying. same line as putting rum in a baby's milk when they're teething"

Quote :

"and before you all go attacking my character...i don't have any kids and don't plan to have any kids anytime soon...but believe me if i was i would make sure from my doctor it was okay before i did any of my own home remedies. this is just what i've heard and i know my mom did once or twice when my brother was a baby (maybe that's what's wrong with him ) but they usually drove him around in the car to put him to sleep. apparently i was not as fussy and liked to sleep a lot. "

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"ok b/c i feel like i'm starting to get personally attacked here as more and more people start coming in the thread and flipping out about my original statements...IMMA POST THIS ONE MORE FUCKING TIME"

alright, so you make a statement about child care and then disqualify it by saying you don't have kids, don't plan to have one anytime soon, etc....why not just edit your initial post or have another post saying, "i made a potentially ignorant/stupid comment earlier, and i fucked up." also, i don't think people (myself included) are attacking your character...more disagreeing with and/or flaming your opinions on child care...

4/28/2006 4:51:54 PM