Am I going crazy?

Is George Orwell here?

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" WASHINGTON -- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tried to rewrite history last week when he denied making prewar claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Rumsfeld's latest effort at backtracking on his prewar statements came Thursday at a contentious public forum in Atlanta when he faced a handful of hecklers and an anti-war questioner in the audience, who charged that he had lied about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction, which was President Bush's chief rationale for invading the country and starting the war. The Pentagon chief denied he had lied and said he had relied on official intelligence reports about Saddam's weapons. His questioner persisted: "You said you knew where they were." Rumsfeld: "I did not. I said I knew where 'suspect' sites were." The record shows that in the weeks preceding the war, Rumsfeld flatly claimed to know the whereabouts of Saddam's WMD arsenal. On March 30, 2003, 11 days into the war, Rumsfeld was asked in an ABC News interview if he was surprised that American forces had not yet found any weapons of mass destruction. "Not at all," Rumsfeld said, according to an official Pentagon transcript. "The area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/269394_rumsfeld08.html?source=mypi "

or... is donald rumsfeld just an out and out motherfucking liar?

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" On Feb. 20, 2003, a month before the invasion, Jim Lehrer asked Rumsfeld on PBS' "NewsHour" program whether he thought the invasion would "be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq." "There is no question but that they would be welcomed," Rumsfeld said, referring to American forces in Iraq. He then tried to merge the earlier invasion of Afghanistan with the 2003 invasion of Iraq. "Go back to Afghanistan. The people were in the streets playing music, cheering, flying kites, and doing all the things that the Taliban and the al-Qaeda would not let them do," Rumsfeld continued. "Saddam Hussein has one of the most vicious regimes on the face of the Earth. And the people know that." On Sept. 25, 2003 -- six months after the invasion and a day on which one U.S. soldier was killed in an ambush, eight Iraqi civilians died in a mortar strike and a member of the U.S-appointed governing council died after an assassination attempt five days earlier -- Rumsfeld was asked about his prewar claims. "Before the war in Iraq, you stated the case very eloquently, and you said ... they would welcome us with open arms," Sinclair Broadcasting anchor Morris Jones said to Rumsfeld as the prelude to a question. The defense chief quickly cut him off. "Never said that," Rumsfeld said, according to the official Pentagon transcript. "Never did. You may remember it well, but you're thinking of somebody else. You can't find anywhere me saying anything like either of those two things you just said I said. I may look like somebody else." "

dont forget the link to al-qaeda...

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"On Sept. 27, 2002, at a Chamber of Commerce lunch in Atlanta, Rumsfeld asserted that the Bush administration had "bulletproof" evidence linking Saddam and al-Qaida, the organization that carried out the Sept, 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The assertion of a connection with the organization that perpetrated the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil provided a secondary rational for the invasion. But on Oct. 4, 2004, Rumsfeld revised his assertion, telling the Council of Foreign Relations in New York, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two.""

goddamn.


it really is like this:


Interviewer: Sir, you stood right there at that podium and told us --

Rumsfeld: Not so. New podium. Just bought it yesterday. Next question.

5/10/2006 1:38:16 AM

videos
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p7Yz5osr2Uk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v1FTmuhynaw

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"Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia."

5/10/2006 10:36:20 AM

just pointing out that the title of the thread is not at all what rumsfeld said

5/10/2006 10:38:18 AM

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"it really is like this: Interviewer: Sir, you stood right there at that podium and told us -- Rumsfeld: Not so. New podium. Just bought it yesterday. Next question."

hahaha and this surprises you?

[Edited on May 10, 2006 at 10:45 AM. Reason : *]

5/10/2006 10:45:30 AM

^ That was Steven, get your podium speakers right.

5/10/2006 11:32:20 AM

I'm more comfortable with the flagrant lies than the subtle ones.

5/10/2006 12:05:42 PM

give credit to TDS

5/10/2006 12:38:23 PM

im pretty sure Rumsfeld is just a motherfucking liar.

5/10/2006 2:26:10 PM

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"im pretty sure Rumsfeld is just a motherfucking liar."

5/10/2006 2:29:33 PM

^^ yeah, well it could be that simple if it was just Rummy. but its the M.O. of the entire BushCo.

i swear it seems every day we're more and more like Oceana

"Ignorance is strength, war is peace, slavery is freedom."


...

and yea, props to Colbert on the podium gag. i figured it was obvious.

5/11/2006 12:33:35 AM

You remember when John Kerry ran for president and did this same thing...
I bet you don't.

Not that I'm defending the guy, its just political bullshit.

5/11/2006 12:52:57 AM

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"its just political bullshit."

"just" ?

aw, shucks. them darn kids, what'll they think of next.

apologist much?

IIRC, Kerry didn't fabricate intelligence in a bid for war, cause thousands of unnecessary deaths, subvert the US economy, destabilize the middle east, play into the Jihadist's hands, and allow fundamentalist Iran to become the unchecked, dominant player in the region.

5/11/2006 1:04:46 AM

5/11/2006 1:08:19 AM

5/11/2006 1:15:53 AM

hey, don't worry, we've only got at least 60-70 years left in our life spans, more than enough time to be assimilated in a post-9/11 utopia/police state.

5/12/2006 5:29:59 PM

TELL 'EM WHAT WE DO AT THE RANCH

5/12/2006 5:51:15 PM