in the Duke lacrosse case, what should be done to her? I mean, she ruined the career of the coach, ruined the reputation of the school, destroyed the season of a contender for the national title...

At what point do we hold liars accountable while still protecting victims?

5/12/2006 12:00:09 AM

We'll never know for sure if she's lying or not unless she comes out and says, "By the way, I lied."

Just an FYI.

5/12/2006 12:11:49 AM

nothing much will happen to them

maybe some jail time for lying... not much.

they cant be sued i mean... it's pointless... if they had money... they wouldnt be strippers right?

5/12/2006 12:12:05 AM

^^uhm

this shit has to go to court sometime...

and at some point, after the prosecution loses

there will be a civil trial

and she will be proven a liar

(if she is lying)

5/12/2006 12:19:12 AM

I guess I can see a jury in a civil trial being convinced that she's lying, but my original post still stands...

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"We'll never know for sure if she's lying or not unless she comes out and says, "By the way, I lied.""

[Edited on May 12, 2006 at 12:22 AM. Reason : sss]

5/12/2006 12:19:43 AM

The news today was talking about how the dna under the fingernails didn't match the 2 main guys being accused, and that they were waiting for the results of date rape. She's lying in my opinion. And when they find out for sure, they should keep it on the news everyday, every newscast all over the nation for just as many days as they have left it on for the students. It won't happen, but it would be fair.

5/12/2006 12:47:41 AM

^ Well, if we know whe was wrong because it turned out the accused were not there and witnesses say nothing happened, then I think we know for sure she lied.

Of course, if this was the case then it would have been proven quite a while ago...

5/12/2006 12:49:13 AM

That's assuming that the DA isn't a showboating POS...

5/12/2006 12:57:08 AM

spk
if she's put on trial
she will likely
1. have her story torn apart
2. have to testify

(if she lied)

5/12/2006 9:00:53 AM

get her on the stand and have 2 guys (lawyers) ravage her (with questions).

[Edited on May 12, 2006 at 9:36 AM. Reason : i mean she brought it on herself....she deserves it....she wants it right!!!!]

5/12/2006 9:36:03 AM

settlements like whoa

5/12/2006 9:49:59 AM

The scary thing is the frenzied witch hunt by Nifong and the NAACP. According to them the guys are guilty and if they aren't proven guilty then it has to be some kind of white > black conspiricy.

5/12/2006 1:12:26 PM

What do you expect, it's the NAACP-it's all racial to them.

5/12/2006 1:33:36 PM

those people

5/12/2006 1:48:07 PM

since the NAACP is involved maybe its time to get the Klan involved to taking care of this lying whore for good!

Anyone seen Keifer Sutherland in A Time to Kill

[Edited on May 12, 2006 at 2:11 PM. Reason : l]

5/12/2006 2:11:06 PM

^In that movie (didn't read the book, mind you), they called in the Klan well before the NAACP got up in that shit.

And as far as the NAACP goes, you have to take the good with the bad.

5/12/2006 2:25:49 PM

It's kind of disturbing to equate the NAACP with the KKK.

white people...

5/12/2006 3:13:13 PM

^Nobody is doing that. HUR was just tryna be cute with a movie reference.

[Edited on May 12, 2006 at 3:20 PM. Reason : sss]

5/12/2006 3:20:24 PM

What will happen, or what should happen? Nifong is the prosecuting attorney in that county, so nothing will happen to her no matter what. What should happen to her? Personally I support a law that says when you falsely accuse someone of a crime, and it is proven that it was a false accusation, then you should be subject to the same penalty that they would have received had they been convicted.

5/12/2006 3:27:51 PM

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"Wolfpack2K: Personally I support a law that says when you falsely accuse someone of a crime, and it is proven that it was a false accusation, then you should be subject to the same penalty that they would have received had they been convicted."

You support the enacting of a law like this? Or is there already one in place?

5/12/2006 3:31:42 PM

I support enacting such a law and enforcing it. Maybe creating a statewide agency under the AG to prosecute violations. There is a similar law at least in Georgia, but it only comes into effect when the falsely accused person is convicted and then proven innocent.

5/12/2006 3:35:12 PM

BridgetSPK, do you think the stripper is telling the truth?

5/12/2006 4:11:53 PM

i bet i know the answer to that question

5/12/2006 4:17:50 PM

Even if they were inclined to sue the accuser, it would be very difficult to prove she lied without a direct statement on her part.

5/12/2006 4:19:50 PM

Eh, well remember in a civil suit the burden of proof is preponderance of the evidence, which means "more likely than not". Is it more likely than not that she lied? Well, given the fact that DNA evidence has exonerated the men, TWICE, and one of them wasn't even there when it allegedly happened, I would say it indeed is more likely than not. Which would, as a matter of law, render a verdict for the Plaintiff.

5/12/2006 4:29:35 PM

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"BridgetSPK, do you think the stripper is telling the truth?"

I genuinely do not know.

And I maintain that we can never really know.

I do not support this idea that she is an angry, vindictive woman who lied to get revenge.

From the very start, I felt that this case had merit because, as I've been saying from the beginning, DNA tests are very expensive. Most DNA collected at crime labs never gets tested. So, yeah, spending 8-12 thousand dollars to test the DNA of 40+ people leads me to believe that her story was credible and that there was evidence of a rape. I've also said from the beginning that it's not clear that she was raped by a lacrosse player. And, furthermore, her possible inability to correctly identify the suspects means very little to me. Plenty of violent crime victims struggle to identify their attackers. Also many white crime victims have trouble differentiating between individuals in a group of black people; I imagine the same would apply for black victims of crimes committed by white people.

I think the case has been handled poorly by the prosecution. It's clear that they had hoped to put the pressure on until one person cracked.

Either Nifong has some shit up his sleeve, or he is just extremely stupid, stupid, stupid for taking this to trial.

5/12/2006 5:06:23 PM

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"And I maintain that we can never really know."

by that logic, we can never really know if someone is guilty of anything. guess we shouldn't punish anyone, right?

btw, the "existence of DNA evidence" != to a case. I can go scrape some tissue off the hand of the "victim" and claim it's "DNA evidence" all I want, but that sure as hell doesn't make it a case. When you have a woman who is proported to be a stripper (and we know more or less what that means...), the existence of foreign DNA in her vagina or under her fingernails really shouldn't come as a shock. That's like being surprised that you find your own DNA in your own fuckin bathroom.

[Edited on May 13, 2006 at 12:32 AM. Reason : ]

5/13/2006 12:30:05 AM

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"the existence of foreign DNA in her vagina or under her fingernails really shouldn't come as a shock. That's like being surprised that you find your own DNA in your own fuckin bathroom"

err... whut?

5/13/2006 6:40:07 PM

she is a in-house stripper yo

she's allowed to touch the clientelle
and if they pay enough, she'll fuck them in the bathroom

5/13/2006 7:03:28 PM

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"aaronburro: by that logic, we can never really know if someone is guilty of anything. guess we shouldn't punish anyone, right?"

Don't be fool. It's not that hard to understand what I'm saying. Lemme give you another situation: one of your friends claims he had sex with this hot chick at her apartment the night before. And you're like, "Dude, shut the fuck up. That girl would never have sex with you." And he's like, "Dude, I totally broke that bitch's back. I'm telling you, man." And later the girl in question is like, "We did not have sex!! That's such bullshit."

Well, unless you were there that night, you'll never actually know if your friend hit that or not...

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"aaronburro: btw, the "existence of DNA evidence" != to a case. I can go scrape some tissue off the hand of the "victim" and claim it's "DNA evidence" all I want, but that sure as hell doesn't make it a case. When you have a woman who is proported to be a stripper (and we know more or less what that means...), the existence of foreign DNA in her vagina or under her fingernails really shouldn't come as a shock. That's like being surprised that you find your own DNA in your own fuckin bathroom."

The stuff I crossed out doesn't support your point, by the way. But in response to the other shit, I'll point you to something I've already said in this thread:

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"BridgetSPK: Either Nifong has some shit up his sleeve, or he is just extremely stupid, stupid, stupid for taking this to trial."

5/13/2006 7:28:01 PM

Even if you were there, you couldn't know anyway! You have to be skeptical of your perceptions.

Also, DNA evidence or any evidence at all cannot be used to "prove" anything in the Duke case... just because certain things suggested certain outcomes in the past doesn't mean it holds up in this case! A man who has solved the problem of induction can convict this stripper! Until that man comes about, the world may never know...

And this is why we don't have Humean standards in our judicial system, but thanks for playing, Bridget!

5/13/2006 7:48:12 PM

Dudes, unless she admits to lying, there's no way to know if she is or not. But even if she did claim she was lying, what if she's lying about lying. LOL

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"just because certain things suggested certain outcomes in the past doesn't mean it holds up in this case"

You find me a rape case where lack of DNA evidence and an inability to correctly identify an attacker has led to the arrest of the accuser.

[Edited on May 13, 2006 at 8:03 PM. Reason : sss]

5/13/2006 8:00:39 PM

We can know she's lying within a margin reasonable to any reputable judicial proceding.

5/13/2006 8:02:20 PM

^I think I agree with that.

However, I've not been talking about any of this in legal terms:

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"BridgetSPK: We'll never know for sure if she's lying or not unless she comes out and says, "By the way, I lied.""

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"BridgetSPK: I guess I can see a jury in a civil trial being convinced that she's lying, but my original post still stands... We'll never know for sure if she's lying or not unless she comes out and says, "By the way, I lied.""

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"Wlfpk4Life: BridgetSPK, do you think the stripper is telling the truth? BridgetSPK: I genuinely do not know. And I maintain that we can never really know."

At first, I though you guys could talk all about trials and the law and sending her to prison, while I was just tossing it out there that none of us will ever know what happened that night, and then I got asked the question: Do you think she's telling the truth? And I answered honestly that I don't know.

BUT now that you guys have pushed me, I think we should get into precedent...

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"BridgetSPK: You find me a rape case where lack of DNA evidence and an inability to correctly identify an attacker has led to the arrest of the accuser."

5/13/2006 8:17:04 PM

if i didn't think you were just a feminist sticking up for a stripper before

i do now

so, congrats i guess

5/13/2006 8:34:17 PM

Look, guys, I still can't believe they took this to trial if that gives you guys any idea how I feel about the evidence.

And, by the way, I have jury duty at the end of June.

[Edited on May 13, 2006 at 8:45 PM. Reason : sss]

5/13/2006 8:41:24 PM

She initially lied saying that 20 guys raped her. So she's already a proven liar.

Given the nature of the evidence, the DNA tests, the pictures taken at the party, the alibi from the taxi driver, etc. I think that she's at the very least mistaken about who did the raping, whether she was raped or not is an entirely different matter.

5/13/2006 8:41:24 PM

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"I think that she's at the very least mistaken about who did the raping, whether she was raped or not is an entirely different matter."

Oh heck yeah...the first time I read about this story, I couldn't understand why they were so sure it was a lacrosse player.

[Edited on May 13, 2006 at 8:46 PM. Reason : changed hell to heck, for 4Life. LOL]

5/13/2006 8:44:14 PM

do you people agree that these are good, outstanding, strong, manly, christian, white boys?

micheal savage was very adamant about that the other day.

i agree. not only that, these boys were definately future rotarians, ruritans, kiwanis, AND members of the catholic church!

ps: i serioulsy dont care about this issue and i dont get why some people are going gaga over stringing up either side.

5/13/2006 9:03:46 PM

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"Either Nifong has some shit up his sleeve, or he is just extremely stupid, stupid, stupid for taking this to trial.""

ooooooor, it just goes to show how racist and ignorant some black people can be (not Nifong, duhhh)

5/14/2006 7:22:04 PM

yeah i've known many a black racist in my time

5/14/2006 7:47:18 PM

How many of them were actual close friends of yours?

5/14/2006 8:23:29 PM

real life isnt only seeing close friends

5/14/2006 9:33:55 PM

You've known more white racists is what you're saying.

5/14/2006 9:46:38 PM

that should go without saying...yes, definitely - i wouldnt consider them "close" friends either

[Edited on May 14, 2006 at 10:13 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2006 10:01:17 PM

Ya'll, we don't know what really happened that night. Anytime you get the law, media, politics and race involved..the facts get thrown out the window. This was going to be a unstable case on both sides. Just remember that no matter what we here on the radio, tv or read in the news..its all been distorted.

5/17/2006 12:19:51 AM

actually, thuglina, the media and radio are doing a great job of saying what the truth is for once. The only "distortion" going on is in the DA's office of Durham, NC...

anyone with 1/10000000th of a brain can see that this stripper is a lying whore.

5/17/2006 1:44:19 AM

I've said it in another thread before, I'll say it again here.

She wouldn't have gotten raped if she had just kept her legs lacrossed.

5/17/2006 3:58:38 AM

I think we're far past the "when" point at this time. It is clear that the stripper lied.

5/17/2006 4:11:49 AM

how come the police/rape lineup they gave the stripper...to try and identify her accuser(s)...was a lineup full of nothing but lacrosse players...doesnt that seem a little unfair?

5/17/2006 10:08:37 AM