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"Bush says "bring 'em on" was big mistake"

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-05-26T060222Z_01_DAH518336_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ.xml&src=rss

At this rate, he should realize iraq was a mistake by 2010

5/26/2006 4:11:21 AM

It wasn't so bad saying "Bring 'em on" moreso then the inability to get the fucking job done of helping to establish a new regime without pissing on everyone else in the Middle East.

Whatever happened to "speaking softly but carrying a big stick"?

5/26/2006 5:25:43 AM

the decider decided to re-invent the wheel

5/26/2006 6:55:01 AM

wonder how many threads in SB today will be the same "Bush and Blair admit mistakes" liberal bs

5/26/2006 7:41:14 AM

More like failing to realized that

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"to establish a new regime without pissing on everyone else in the Middle East. "

is impossible.

5/26/2006 8:29:13 AM

I love how he says some stupid-ass soundbite he made was a big mistake, but the incredible debacle that is the Iraq war is still a shining beacon of freedom to the rest of the world, apparently.

Fuck him. God bless our troops, their families, and the people of Iraq.

5/26/2006 9:06:34 AM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=411029

5/26/2006 9:13:25 AM

Bush is a fuckin idiot.

5/26/2006 9:25:00 AM

^ Yes, a Yale graduate who ran Texas and became President of the most powerful and influencial country in the world is an idiot.

Besides being a whiny fucking critic, what have you done with your 21 years thus far?

5/26/2006 9:31:09 AM

^Anyone can succeed if they have enough money and the right people behind them. I do agree with that poster. Bush is an idiot, and does not really control this country. Anyone who thinks he does, is in the same league of idiocy that he is.

5/26/2006 9:37:56 AM

I AM A 20 SOMETHING YEAR OLD COLLEGE KID I KNOW EVERYTHING

5/26/2006 9:40:09 AM

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"Bush is an idiot, and does not really control this country. Anyone who thinks he does, is in the same league of idiocy that he is. "

thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Do you have ANY proof that bush doesnt run this country? No....anyone who thinks that bush doesnt run the country is an idiot

5/26/2006 9:50:43 AM

Let me get this straight...

So being in your 20s and in college means you can't have an opinion on politics?

Last time I checked, this is a fuckin' democracy. Rather than shouting down people for expressing an opinion with a bunch of bullshit about how 20somethings haven't accomplished anything and therefore have no right to express themselves, why don't you actually defend your side?

Oh wait. You can't. Because so many of the things Bush has done are indefensible. As I mentioned in my last post, the Iraq war turned into a debacle. You can't argue with that. They said it would be over in a matter of weeks, and we're now in year three. No end in sight. Many of us have lost friends over there. It's a fucking personal issue for a lot of people. Losing someone close to you transcends politics. It's long past time for an actual debate over whether we need to be there, whether we were fooled into supporting it, what the actual motives for it were. But all you right wingers can do is just attack the other side for whatever bullshit reason you can come up with. In this case, their age. On a damn college forum. Christ.

This is what's ruined politics. It's just a bunch of epithets and personal attacks rather than any substantive discussion. The 2004 election wasn't a referendum on Bush's policies, it was a stupid-ass debate over whether John Kerry shot himself to get a fucking purple heart. These tactics amount to nothing more than calling people's attention away from what they should be thinking about and discussing. Stop distracting people from the real issues and come to the table for an actual debate.

Tell us why you support Bush, if you do. Tell us why you support continuing the occupation of Iraq. Back it up with some facts.

5/26/2006 10:07:05 AM

if bush is such an idiot, how did he get elected over al boring and botox kerry

looks like the democrats are the idiots that cant win an election

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"So being in your 20s and in college means you can't have an opinion on politics?"

no, you can have an opinion...but if you think you know everything i'm gonna call you out on it

btw John Kerry voted to go into Iraq, but he's a flipflopper

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"They said it would be over in a matter of weeks, and we're now in year three"

weeks hahaha...name me one single war ever that has gone according to plan

5/26/2006 10:07:11 AM

AND...if bush is such an idiot who doenst run the country...then why are yall so mad at him??...its not his fault we are in iraq...its not his fault Katrina got botched...none of this is his fault....why the bush bashing??

5/26/2006 10:10:13 AM

people bash Bush because its the cool thing to do cause they're rebellious college kids, woo! fuck bush woooooo!

5/26/2006 10:11:40 AM

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"thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Do you have ANY proof that bush doesnt run this country? No....anyone who thinks that bush doesnt run the country is an idiot"

Corporations run this country, along with special interest groups. Bush is a fucking fool. This guy didn't even know about the DPW Port deal until it was already approved by his administration. What a fucking joke.

5/26/2006 10:13:18 AM

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"people bash Bush because its the cool thing to do cause they're rebellious college kids, woo! fuck bush woooooo!"

Obviously, over 70% of the nation is composed of "rebellious college kids".

5/26/2006 10:14:36 AM

if Bush is a fool, how foolish and dumb are the people that he beat to become president

^obviously some poll means a whole lot

like those exit polls that had Kerry winning the election

5/26/2006 10:15:02 AM

I certainly don't think I know everything.

You're right, John Kerry voted for the Iraq war. And a lot of us supported it at the beginning. For a couple of reasons: A) we were told there were WMDs all over the damn place, and B) we were told it would be an easy, quick war.

In response to that and your other point about "weeks hahaha," let me refer you to this 2002 CBS news article:

Nov. 15, 2002
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (CBS/AP)

(CBS) There will be no World War III starting with Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declared Thursday, and rejected concerns that a war would be a quagmire.

"The idea that it's going to be a long, long, long battle of some kind I think is belied by the fact of what happened in 1990," he said on an Infinity Radio call-in program.

He said the U.S. military is stronger than it was during the Persian Gulf War, while Iraq's armed forces are weaker.

"Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that," he said. "It won't be a World War III."

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That kind of stuff is what convinced people to go along with the war. If they had actually thought this thing through and recognized how difficult it was actually going to be (Which many analysts were predicting before the war started btw)

Our Sec. of Defense told the nation it wouldn't be any more than five months. What would you say we've accomplished in 3 years over there? Do you think it's okay that the administration was making predictions like this?

This affects lives. I've lost a friend. A lot of people have, and are continuing to. So the war isn't going according to plan, as you say. We agree on that. But do you think continuing it is going to make it suddenly start working?

By the way, I do appreciate your willingness to discuss this with me rather than hurl epithets. I respect conservatives that are actually willing to talk substantively. I have no respect for liberals or conservatives that just parrot talking points and call the other side nazis or commies or whatever.

5/26/2006 10:17:48 AM

exactly, i respect anybody who doesnt rattle off the same cliche bullshit over and over again

but any war is bad, people are going to die, the 5 months prediction was dumb to make...but what do we do, immediately withdrawl all troops? the reasons why we went to war dont matter that much right now, because we are at war...instead of debating if the war is just or not or if we shouldve gone in in the first place, we need to realize we are in a war, and focus more on the best ways to carry it out and resolve it

5/26/2006 10:23:12 AM

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" Corporations run this country, along with special interest groups. Bush is a fucking fool. This guy didn't even know about the DPW Port deal until it was already approved by his administration. What a fucking joke."

do you have anything to submit or are you just going to spout off??....anyone who thinks corporations run this country is an idiot. Bush runs the country. to say otherwise is a complete joke.

5/26/2006 10:24:52 AM

Bush is certainly the most powerful single INDIVIDUAL in the country but corporations certainly have plenty of influence in a good number of large issues

5/26/2006 10:26:07 AM

sure they do...but this guy is just a bush hating moron who will repeat anything he heard at democratic underground.com.....

5/26/2006 10:27:59 AM

LET'S ROLL!

5/26/2006 10:28:29 AM

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"but any war is bad, people are going to die, the 5 months prediction was dumb to make...but what do we do, immediately withdrawl all troops? the reasons why we went to war dont matter that much right now, because we are at war...instead of debating if the war is just or not or if we shouldve gone in in the first place, we need to realize we are in a war, and focus more on the best ways to carry it out and resolve it"

I completely agree with this. Withdrawing all the troops isn't what we need to do right now. My contention, though, is that we were misled into this war by an administration that is either corrupt or incompetent, and we need some fresh ideas and faces in our government to try to sort this thing out.

Yes, we're in a war, and yes, we need to figure out the best way to end it in a way that will be positive for everyone. THIS is what we should all be discussing. Good call on that.

5/26/2006 10:40:36 AM

Bush is the most well-intentioned retard to ever lead the free world. And atleast he's got enough of a pair to apologise for shit.

5/26/2006 11:21:05 AM

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"if Bush is a fool, how foolish and dumb are the people that he beat to become president"

i don't know, how foolish and dumb are the people that are just now realizing they made a mistake (twice)?

5/26/2006 2:18:10 PM

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"do you have anything to submit or are you just going to spout off??....anyone who thinks corporations run this country is an idiot. Bush runs the country. to say otherwise is a complete joke."

Corporations do run this country (not directly obviously, but by proxy). Do you think its any mistake that the Vice President of the United States sat on the board of a company who has made and is making record profits in the War in Iraq? These corporations have hundred of lobbyists in Washington fighting to pass laws in THEIR favor at OUR expense. Look at all the energy subsidies signed into law by that idiot, giving billions of dollars to corporations like Exxon who are already making record profits. WTF is the point of that? Bush does not run this country, but the representatives from these corporations/special interest groups that populate his cabinent and other high posts do.

5/26/2006 2:20:47 PM

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"sure they do...but this guy is just a bush hating moron who will repeat anything he heard at democratic underground.com....."

Since I call Bush a fool, that must mean one thing: I must be a Democrat. Idiotic, two dimensional thinking like this is why this country is such sorry shape. I am not a Democrat and will never vote Democratic (unless something profound happens to that party).

5/26/2006 2:26:55 PM

^^i dunno, you'd have to ask somebody who voted for him

while you're at it, ask floridians why they're too retarded to know how to even vote

5/26/2006 2:27:20 PM

among other things

5/26/2006 2:31:53 PM

touche

5/26/2006 2:32:31 PM

So the same guy who says...

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"its not his fault we are in iraq"

...wants me to believe that...

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"Bush runs the country. to say otherwise is a complete joke."

Just sayin'.

That said, it's nice that this administration has shown some clue as to the idiotic way it's been doing business. Good for them. Now let's see an honest attempt to 1) change the way they do business and 2) clean up their mess.

We can argue about whether it was blatant lying or ill-informed good intentions that got us into this war, but the fact is that it has proven to be a mistake. A huge one. And there were plenty of smart people that W didn't listen to that told him so. He's just not a smart man.

So how did the Dems lose to him?

Democrats are wonderous folks who think that people will care about things like health care, that aren't that glamorous and difficult to explain plans for.

Republicans know that all you have to do is put a little fear of terrorists, butt-sex, and a lack of public prayer in front of the masses and they'll vote against their actual interests every time. It's why the Dems will lose in '08 too if they don't get their shit together.

5/26/2006 2:33:11 PM

I think Democrats pride themselves on their diversity, mix of different backgrounds, races, cultures, ability to co-exist, etc etc....but its almost like theres so much diversity, that they can't all agree on anything or any decent candidate

5/26/2006 3:12:37 PM

I'll give you that the Democrats haven't had a real "party line" to speak of besides "Bush is bad."

It's really sad. I wish a good third party would come along, but instead they're all crazies and assholes, so I'm stuck with the Democrats.

5/26/2006 3:45:19 PM

I'm stuck with not voting until theres a candidate I feel strongly about

5/26/2006 3:52:15 PM

hey...all im saying is....pick your line....dont be mad at bush if he isnt in charge....

5/26/2006 3:54:53 PM

The soap box needs one of these threads every once in a while. Its hilarious.

5/26/2006 4:11:56 PM

i don't know how many of you listened to the press conference last night. but it was more clear than ever that while bush may not be an idiot, tony blair is FAR smarter than bush. his answers were so much more intelligently formed, i was kind of embarassed for our country.

(and i don't think it's just the "he must be smart because of that british accent" sort of phenomenon)

5/26/2006 4:54:11 PM

^If you like him so much, why don't you marry him?

5/26/2006 6:30:32 PM

Bush and Sarijoul sittin in a tree....

5/26/2006 11:04:42 PM

^^^I actually agree with that. I watched the press conference as well, and got the same opinion. If Bush could have been somewhat as articulate as Blair is, then I think he may actually have a little more support for what we're doing. Obviously, his words aren't breeding victory, but you can actually understand his message. However, it seemed like the Brit press was just there to ask Bush and Blair about Tony's possible departure.

[Edited on May 27, 2006 at 2:10 AM. Reason : ask]

5/27/2006 2:10:13 AM

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"The 2004 election wasn't a referendum on Bush's policies, it was a stupid-ass debate over whether John Kerry shot himself to get a fucking purple heart."

Let's not forget Bush's national guard leave. I was hyped about the past presidential election until every news outlet was broadcasting the latest update on either the swift boat veterans or bush's national guard experience.

5/27/2006 2:58:49 AM

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"name me one single war ever that has gone according to plan"

Gulf War I?

5/27/2006 10:55:35 AM

^You mean because we got Iraqi occupants out of Kuwait?

I think some of the people with Gulf War Syndrome who havent died from it would disagree that that war went "according to plan"

5/27/2006 2:32:49 PM

oh

so you're going to be that nitpicky

nevermind then

its cool

when someone shoots a hole in my argument, i resort to shit like that too (see this post for example)

i stand by my answer btw

5/27/2006 3:07:48 PM

Afghanistan?

5/27/2006 4:10:50 PM

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"The soap box needs one of these threads every once in a while. Its hilarious."

Someone should write a script to calculate the percentage of well thought out and eloquent posts in here make use of the word "fuck" to illustrate their point.

5/30/2006 7:12:11 PM