5/30/2006 11:55:32 AM

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

5/30/2006 11:56:07 AM

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=411638&page=2#8829984

5/30/2006 11:56:14 AM

lol

5/30/2006 11:56:59 AM

yo soy el jugganat, esse

5/30/2006 1:10:14 PM

in about 10 years

5/30/2006 1:30:11 PM

how about already? compare their stats for their first 5(?) years

5/30/2006 1:33:03 PM

Pujols is the best player to play the game since I've been alive...

5/30/2006 1:35:52 PM

hey, even Bonds is a fan of the guy

5/30/2006 1:36:43 PM

and you know what else

to become the best, pujols worked hard...he didnt cheat like some others...and he is a better hitter than the cheaters! and he probably wont have all the steroid related complications later in life!

5/30/2006 1:37:55 PM

^^ you mean Bonds*?

5/30/2006 1:39:39 PM

no, i mean Bonds, because anybody using an asterisk is a whiny bitch

5/30/2006 1:49:10 PM

wait... anyone on fucking steroids is a fucking bitch

5/30/2006 1:49:48 PM

nonono
you're confusing being a bitch with having bitch tits...
you can decide for yourself which is worse

5/30/2006 2:03:50 PM

bonds* has both

5/30/2006 2:22:46 PM

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"Pujols is the best player to play the game since I've been alive..."

There I fixed it for you.

5/30/2006 2:40:18 PM

nigga tried to kill my faathaaa

5/30/2006 2:44:30 PM

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"how about already? compare their stats for their first 5(?) years"

Why do that? Different era of baseball with different pitchers and such. Compare them the last 5 years in which they faced the same pitchers at the same time... oh, wait... you don't want to do that, do you?

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"and you know what else to become the best, pujols worked hard...he didnt cheat like some others...and he is a better hitter than the cheaters! and he probably wont have all the steroid related complications later in life!"

Such blind faith. I can't believe how some of you Bonds-haters can look at Pujols and not have the slightest inkling of performance enhancing drugs. He is massive, and while you say he's been that way his whole career all that means is that there is a good chance he abused his whole career. and given that he is from the Dominican Republic, where the abuse is rampant, it wouldn't surprise me if he got an early start. Remember, human growth hormone is still not checked by MLB's testing policy and has the same positive effects with actually fewer side-effects (and others at a lessened degree).

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"Quote : "Pujols is the best player to play the game since I've been alive..." There I fixed it for you. "

What a sick fucking joke. Base-running and fielding much? Barry BOnds is the perfect baseball player. He epitomizes the term 5-tool player, much like his godfather, Willie Mays. Pujols is a stellar hitter, but drop this whole "greatest player ever" bullshit.

BTW, Bonds probably still would have hit 700 homeruns (or atleast come really close) without the benefits of any steroids.

5/30/2006 3:01:05 PM

SO WHY TAKE THE STEROIDS????

5/30/2006 3:04:56 PM

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"SO WHY TAKE THE STEROIDS????"

Pissing off white people is fun.

5/30/2006 3:07:49 PM

HGH

5/30/2006 3:12:41 PM

haha

5/30/2006 3:13:56 PM

5/30/2006 3:27:01 PM

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"BTW, Bonds probably still would have hit 700 homeruns (or atleast come really close) without the benefits of any steroids."

Shut the fuck up. You are a Cubs fan. You should not be allowed to post about baseball.

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"Base-running and fielding much?"

Has led the majors how many years in a row in runs scored now?

Will probably win his first of many gold gloves this year. He leads MLB in Range Factor.

So yeah base-running and fielding.

5/30/2006 3:37:50 PM

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"What a sick fucking joke. Base-running and fielding much? Barry BOnds is the perfect baseball player."

ahahahaha baserunning? The fucker started out a baserunner batting 1st in the order. Now he's a clean up hitter with massive body growth.
YEAR HR SB
1986 16 36
1987 25 32
1988 24 17
1989 19 32
1990 33 52
1991 25 43
1992 34 39
1993 46 29
1994 37 29
1995 33 31
1996 42 40
1997 40 37
1998 37 28
1999 34 15
2000 49 11
2001 73 13
2002 46 9
2003 45 7
2004 45 6
2005 5 0

NO FUCKING ATHLETE WILL EVER HAVE THAT KIND OF CURVE! ARE ALL OF YOU PEOPLE FUCKING MORONS? You do not, in old age, suddenly become stronger. That is not natural. Isn't it rather coincidental that his SBs are going down when his HRs are goin up? HMMMMM...

Albert Pujols
2001 37
2002 34
2003 43
2004 46
2005 41





[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 3:47 PM. Reason : images]

5/30/2006 3:38:52 PM

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"I can't believe how some of you Bonds-haters can look at Pujols and not have the slightest inkling of performance enhancing drugs."

ANYONE THAT IS GOOD TAKES STERIODS!

5/30/2006 3:54:30 PM

^^ i can't help but note how you put "MLB Crackdown" where you SHOULD have put "took 95% of the season off due to injury"

5/30/2006 4:15:05 PM

those are coincidental. I wasn't insinuating that because of the crackdown, he had a reduction in numbers. No one is that retarded. And if you are, please get out of sports talk. All I'm saying is that that is where it begun (2005).

I was merely showing the length of steroids running rampant and what bonds'* numbers did.

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

5/30/2006 4:30:03 PM

its so easy when other people can pwn msb and i dont even have to post

what a fucking naive bastard

btw Pujols never failed a steroids test or admitted to using steroids to the grand jury like Bonds, k

5/30/2006 4:31:44 PM

then what your chart shows is that his hitting numbers are relatively consistent for a long stretch with the exception of one stand-out season...

i wonder if you've looked at the numbers of previous record holders, not just Mac, but the ones before him... you'll see a similar trend

5/30/2006 4:33:34 PM

the trend of testifying to the grand jury that you used steroids?

5/30/2006 4:34:19 PM

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"then what your chart shows is that his hitting numbers are relatively consistent for a long stretch with the exception of one stand-out season..."

YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER SEE SOMEONE HIT 20+ HOMERUNS OVER THEIR AVERAGE FOR ONE SEASON AND CONTINUE HITTING MORE HOMERUNS THAN THEIR AVERAGE IN SUBSEQUENT SEASONS WHEN THEY ARE AS OLD AS BONDS*. YOU'RE NUMBERS WILL GO DOWN WITH AGE, NOT UP!

NEVER

EVER.

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]

5/30/2006 4:35:03 PM

some people jump to conclusions like "bonds is on steroids"...and then they are proven right and they let people know

other people jump to incorrect conclusions like "bonds isnt juicing, he could easily do all that shit naturally, innocent until proven guilty"...and then they are proven wrong and they try to make excuses because they backed a cheater for all these years so they might as well stand for what they thought even though deep down they are pissed at being so wrong when it was so painfully obvious in hindsight to these naive suckers

5/30/2006 5:10:53 PM

^and some people suck cock

5/30/2006 5:14:46 PM

Bonds was/is definitely on Roids. Anyone who doesn't believe that probably still believes in Santa. Thats not to say Pujols doesn't use them too. Baseball's testing policy still sucks.

5/30/2006 5:26:12 PM

yes... "innocent until proven guilty" is a horrible idea, it should be abandoned as a society and we should just assume the worst about every human being on the planet and that way we won't ever be let down...

i don't argue whether or not he used steroids anymore... but i still think putting an asterisk next to his name is stupid... baseball set the rules and set up the culture to allow it, so why punish him for playing along?

5/30/2006 8:13:35 PM

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"Shut the fuck up. You are a Cubs fan. You should not be allowed to post about baseball."

hahaha

5/30/2006 8:25:48 PM

hey, Sammy didn't lose 30lbs. and all the sudden start suckin in one season

...oh, wait

5/30/2006 8:45:27 PM

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"yes... "innocent until proven guilty" is a horrible idea, it should be abandoned as a society and we should just assume the worst about every human being on the planet and that way we won't ever be let down..."

this isn't court. It's the court of public opinion. He's guilty.

Barry Bonds*

5/30/2006 9:48:53 PM

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"but i still think putting an asterisk next to his name is stupid... baseball set the rules and set up the culture to allow it, so why punish him for playing along?"

baseball never set a rule that said its ok to use steroids

i'm no legal genius but i'd love to see the specific rules and guidelines for the MLB that point out that Bonds "played along" with the rules that baseball set

5/31/2006 11:32:28 AM

they made a decision not to test for it... they tied their own hands... so i don't blame him for taking advantage of the situation

5/31/2006 11:40:25 AM

steroids have never been legal in MLB

bonds used steroids

put 2 and 2 together its not too difficult

5/31/2006 11:43:26 AM

so...
if i claim somethign is illegal...
and then never enforce it...
can you really bitch about it?
because technically speaking i'm not allowed to live with an unmarried woman in the state of NC...
but i've had 3 female roommates...
and so far i havent' been arrested for it...

5/31/2006 11:46:34 AM

as much as I love Albert and the Cardinals, if you say he's the best player since you've been alive you're a fucking moron

that has to go to either:

a) Bonds
b) Maddux
c) Martinez

5/31/2006 12:02:32 PM

^^

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"steroids have never been legal in MLB bonds used steroids put 2 and 2 together its not too difficult"

5/31/2006 12:17:52 PM

once again, there's a difference between declaring that something is against the rules and then setting down the conditions to enforce it...

you can't just say something is against the rules and then never check to see if anyone's doing it...

if you behave like that then there's no point to the rule, or to respecting the rule...

it's not that hard to understand that MLB dropped the ball here and set up the conditions for the rampant steroid abuse

5/31/2006 12:37:14 PM

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"as much as I love Albert and the Cardinals, if you say he's the best player since you've been alive you're a fucking moron that has to go to either: a) Bonds b) Maddux c) Martinez"

A) is discluded, cheating factor. He will never be the best player of anything.
B) Maddux is a hell of a pitcher... but I wouldn't argue that he's even the best pitcher since I've been alive. The Rocket has to take the best pitcher since I've been alive award. God you're a fucking moron.
C) same as B)

you are the fucking moron.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 12:46 PM. Reason : .]

5/31/2006 12:43:29 PM

i would put clemens over maddux or martinez

5/31/2006 12:46:50 PM

Anyone would. I'm a huge Maddux fan. But production doesn't lie. Roger clemens is one of the best pitchers to ever pitch the game.

5/31/2006 1:19:56 PM

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"Shut the fuck up. You are a Cubs fan. You should not be allowed to post about baseball."

It takes someone who really loves the game to pull for a team regardless of their success.

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"Has led the majors how many years in a row in runs scored now? Will probably win his first of many gold gloves this year. He leads MLB in Range Factor. So yeah base-running and fielding."

Runs are not baserunning, they are a measure of team production. When you play for a team with a high offensive output you are going to have a lot of runs regardless of your baserunning ability. Bonds' BB/K ratio I throw into base-running too because its an OBP type thing but I guess its more production.

He plays first fucking base and is par for the course. Looked at his stats playing any of the other positions where you do more then receive a throw? RF is a stat that is more heavily influenced by your pitching staff than it is the actual fielding. Its not like he's Mark Grace or anything.

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"ahahahaha baserunning? The fucker started out a baserunner batting 1st in the order. Now he's a clean up hitter with massive body growth."

He's fucking 42 years old! MOst people don't have knees that can hold up like that over an entire career. Its a fact of life not a fact of shitty performance.

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"NO FUCKING ATHLETE WILL EVER HAVE THAT KIND OF CURVE! ARE ALL OF YOU PEOPLE FUCKING MORONS? You do not, in old age, suddenly become stronger. That is not natural. Isn't it rather coincidental that his SBs are going down when his HRs are goin up? HMMMMM..."

Actually, it does happen. It doesn't happen often because players with both skill-sets rarely exist in players and we are talking about one of the best ever, so of course not many are going to measure up in similar patterns. SB are naturally going ot go down over a career and a smart player will change his game to adapt what he is capable of... increasing strength is much easier than increasing speed. He only had one freak year for power... the rest is pretty much steady over a 13 year span and inline with slight progressive power hitting increase that you see in lots of players (just look through B-R.com at some of the greats).

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"ANYONE THAT IS GOOD TAKES STERIODS! "

Turnabout is fair play.

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"I was merely showing the length of steroids running rampant and what bonds'* numbers did."

What you also show is that Bonds hit the same number of homeruns per season the years before he supposedly started using steroids that he did in the years after.. heck he actually dropped in power numbers the two years after the "start date" (I only use quotes and such because the actual date is unknown, not that I don't think he ever used)

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"its so easy when other people can pwn msb and i dont even have to post what a fucking naive bastard btw Pujols never failed a steroids test or admitted to using steroids to the grand jury like Bonds, k"

pwnt? Hardly. BTW, steroids are not the issue. Human growth hormone is more effectv with fewer side-effects, its virtually undetectable, and it isn't in the current testing policy anyways so there is no reason for players to still get caught. Interesting enough though that in a recent interview his responses on the subject were strikingly similar to Bonds in the early steroid rumor days (steroids along can't make you a better hitter, media/people are too hard on bonds, etc).

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"YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER SEE SOMEONE HIT 20+ HOMERUNS OVER THEIR AVERAGE FOR ONE SEASON AND CONTINUE HITTING MORE HOMERUNS THAN THEIR AVERAGE IN SUBSEQUENT SEASONS WHEN THEY ARE AS OLD AS BONDS*. YOU'RE NUMBERS WILL GO DOWN WITH AGE, NOT UP! NEVER EVER. "

YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER SEE SOMENE PERFORM AT A LEVEL THAT ONE OF THE GREATEST PLAYERS IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME PERFORMED AT SO CLEARLY SAID PERSON WAS CHEATING AND NOT REALLY THAT GOOD.

Give me a fucking break. Surge years are not uncommon in baseball, hell it is what the previous record holder had. And actually, Reggie Jackson, Ted Williams, and Hank Aaron (just to name a few) had a similar spikes without complete falloff at the end of their careers. BOnds didn't increase at the tail end, he sustained the level from the several previous years. As pointed out, remove Bonds' outlier year and his career is pretty typical for an all-time great.

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"some people jump to conclusions like "bonds is on steroids"...and then they are proven right and they let people know other people jump to incorrect conclusions like "bonds isnt juicing, he could easily do all that shit naturally, innocent until proven guilty"...and then they are proven wrong and they try to make excuses because they backed a cheater for all these years so they might as well stand for what they thought even though deep down they are pissed at being so wrong when it was so painfully obvious in hindsight to these naive suckers"

And some people suck at reading comprehension and anything beyond basic reasoning skills so therefore can't really understand what is being said, can't think beyond the obvious, and rely on other people to make their arguements for them.

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"steroids have never been legal in MLB bonds used steroids put 2 and 2 together its not too difficult"

spit-balls have never been legal in MLB

Gaylord Perry threw spit-balls

Gaylord Perry is in the Hall of Fame based on a career of cheating


amphetamines have never been legal in MLB

Willie Mays used amphetamines to achieve a conpetitive advantage in baseball

Willie Mays in a Hall of Famer and one of hte best over


See what I did there? Its not too difficult

5/31/2006 1:25:59 PM