If you do poorly on a test, you can always make it up next time. All that matters for your grade is the average and all that matters in school is grades.

When you start working at a real job, they expect you to do A+ work everytime. It's incredible.

And forget your illusions about a 40 hour work week. It's a fiction. Stay used to pulling all nighters.

It's hell on the outside, boys.

[Edited on June 13, 2006 at 12:58 PM. Reason : ``]

6/13/2006 12:58:01 PM

hmmm, where do you work?

6/13/2006 1:00:13 PM

u pay to go to school and get paid to go to work ...

6/13/2006 1:01:20 PM

work sucks.

6/13/2006 1:04:11 PM

depends on your job.

In my case just working will be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than my current situation - school + parttime work. All this stress to find time for studying and homework yet still try to make the money to actually get through school has made me anticipate just a normal ol' fulltime job. I'm so looking forward to it and I can almost touch it, so it's making me antsy.

6/13/2006 1:13:57 PM

i work at the record exchange. Its easy as pie motha fuckers.

my benifits are off the heezey

6/13/2006 2:16:13 PM

exact opposite for me, I'd rather be working at my co-op than in school. You just got to be able to turn it off at 5pm, and don't worry about it till the next day, unlike at school.

6/13/2006 2:48:40 PM

i usually work 9.5-11 hour days on co-op, and i'd still rather do it than school. it ain't the 9-5 dream, but i'm done when i walk out the door at night and i don't pick it up till the next morning.

[Edited on June 13, 2006 at 2:52 PM. Reason : s]

6/13/2006 2:52:03 PM

School blows and working blows. I just want to gain enough passive income to live like a king in a third world country, so it shouldn't take to long (looking at Thailand, atm). I want to be retired by 25. I hate working and being on a deadline. I just want to lay around, rock out, get blasted and bang prostitutes for the rest of my life.

6/13/2006 3:35:55 PM

6/13/2006 3:41:48 PM

I dont even consider my main reason for going to be school for money. I mean I want a decent job where I make a livable salary, but I'm not overly preoccupied with making $100,000 a year. I mainly go because I want to be educated. Not going to college for a few years made me hungry to learn.

6/13/2006 3:51:00 PM

try working and going to school full-time. the army gave me money for college and my company in RTP paid $8K a year in tuition. i totally went to school and didn't give a sh!t.

6/13/2006 3:58:54 PM

A background to your situation might be insightful for any type of logical discussion. You see, in my experience Work is easier and way more enjoyable then school ever was.

6/13/2006 4:54:47 PM

work > school for me

i like being able to buy what i need and a few things i want without worrying

of course being grown up includes a shit ton of bills, but i am never scrambling around trying to figure out how i'm going to pay for stuff which is nice

most of my bills are automatically deducted from my account so i also dont have to worry ab paying bills-- they pay themselves

6/13/2006 6:35:28 PM

school is probably the most simple thing.

you do 10 hours of work a week (including time spent in classes).


Neither are hard, one takes 4 times as much time per week though.

6/13/2006 6:53:08 PM

^10 hours a week? Whats your major? Communications?

6/13/2006 7:00:31 PM

^^what's your gpa, do you feel like you'll retain most of what you've "learned", how many classes you taking that 10 counts class time? And remember some things come more naturally and thus require less work for some. if you have 4 3cr classes (which is barely fulltime) and each class is an hr in length 3x's a week that's 12 hours right there (notice how that matches the amount of credits, though it won't always be exact) not counting reading, studying, papers, projects, etc..

I took 3 semesters off and worked 40-50hrs/wk before returning. I'd rather do that then be in school. I prefer the regular schedule, and during school i still work at least 25hrs/wk, so once you add the time spent on school it comes out to about the same or more work except my free time is more sporadic and i'm almost broke. Compared to not being close to broke and having plenty of down time at night and all of my weekend (although I was a little more physically exausted). Though I like learning, i'd much rather work.



[Edited on June 13, 2006 at 7:14 PM. Reason : .]

6/13/2006 7:11:44 PM

10 hours a week is bogus as hell

work pwns school except waking up all early...sounds like the OP is working at Amway

6/13/2006 7:22:49 PM

i think he meant 10 hours a week outside of class time

6/13/2006 7:35:14 PM

Quote :

"And forget your illusions about a 40 hour work week. It's a fiction. Stay used to pulling all nighters"

Unless there's a great chance for promotion, or you make some serious bank then doing that is called being a sucker.

6/13/2006 7:36:04 PM

Quote :

"I just want to gain enough passive income to live like a king in a third world country, so it shouldn't take to long (looking at Thailand, atm). I want to be retired by 25. I hate working and being on a deadline. I just want to lay around, rock out, get blasted and bang prostitutes for the rest of my life."

That sounds like a cool plan. You should start a business helping people do that.

6/13/2006 7:38:11 PM

White collar workers aren't entitled to overtime pay in some states.

Other companies regularly expect overtime (sup cisco).

6/13/2006 7:42:06 PM

since i'm new to the company, i don't have a wave of emails and phone calls coming in all day, plus people stopping by my desk

so its easy for me to get my work done quickly. i come in at 8, take an hour lunch & leave at 5

i haven't "worked overtime" since i started but there have been times when i was "on the clock" until 11pm working an event, but that included drinking, free food & socializing

there have also been days when i left at 3pm or came in at 11am

i'm sure it'll change in a few years once i know more and people start coming to me for information but i'm enjoying it now & not trying to kiss ass by staying late and pretending like i'm working on important shit. everyone knows i don't have anything that CANT WAIT until the next day

besides, i find more value in building relationships with people at work rather than trying to look better than them. people seem to prefer someone who remembers their birthday, asks about their kids and gets their work done over someone who slaves away at work coming in early and leaving late and acting like they're just SOO overwhelmed.

6/13/2006 8:10:38 PM

I started my job yesterday. I've worked overtime both days already.

6/13/2006 9:26:52 PM

why would you get a job that forces you to do unpaid overtime? Furthermore, what company thinks they are actually gaining by requiring overtime?


People will just end up working less for a longer amount of time.

6/13/2006 9:30:34 PM

Most of the full-timers at my co-op come in at 8-9 and leave at 5-6 every day. Some might work from home, but I don't know anyone pulling regular 50+ hr weeks

6/13/2006 9:40:08 PM

I was just having a discussion today about how school was stressful and I never got enough sleep, but work seems to be eating my soul.

6/13/2006 9:55:03 PM

Any smart company, if their business allowed (not service), would not have a set number of regular hours. It is a win-win situation -- workers have an incentive to get their work done quickly, they are happier, more productive, don't burn out, and wont quit

[Edited on June 13, 2006 at 10:15 PM. Reason : sdfsdf]

6/13/2006 10:14:34 PM

Obviously you haven't worked yet.

6/14/2006 9:52:55 AM

I'm sure companies requiring overtime also pay salaries versus an hourly wage.

6/14/2006 1:53:33 PM

^^^I'm with you on this, and I've been in the workforce for a few years now.

[Edited on June 14, 2006 at 1:56 PM. Reason : ^]

6/14/2006 1:56:26 PM

having to be at work so much is why you should make sure you are satisfied with your major in college and all...cuz you could be stuck with a job you hate for the rest of your life.

6/15/2006 2:19:43 PM

^Only if you're stupid and work for others instead yourself. Then yeah, you're right.

6/16/2006 10:01:40 AM

because the only way to have a rewarding career is to be self-employed.

6/16/2006 10:23:51 AM

IM 18...I HAVE THE WORLD FIGURED OUT

6/16/2006 10:25:05 AM

Quote :

"because the only way to have a rewarding career is to be self-employed."

I never said that. You can work for others, but still work for yourself at the same time. Personally, I plan to retire in my early twenties if all works out. Nearly every dime I make, that isn't used to pay for day to day expenses, will be used to purchase overseas real estate in Thailand. When my passive income surpasses my income I receive from my employment, I will retire. Said nothing about self employment, though that is an interesting route to go.

6/16/2006 10:43:39 AM

I thought Protostar was saying your major doesn't matter if you're self-employed, but if you plan to work for a company then TheTabbyCat is correct - your major will have a huge impact on your career.

6/16/2006 10:45:28 AM

It really depends on how much work you did while in school to make a comparison between the two.

-Income in school (including financial aid) was at least 5x less than I'm making now.
-Worked 60-80 hours weeks regularly in school. Now working 40-60 hour weeks.
-Make best to my time/ability effort approaches in both school/work. Get reprimanded either way for any mistakes made.

Quote :

"Obviously you haven't worked yet."

Based on skokiaan's comments made in some previous threads, I have to agree. Overtime really isn't required by any company ... it just means if something doesn't get done by a deadline, you lack the necessary skills to get a task done on time. The company therefore has no incentive to keep you as an employee if it happens repeatedly.

[Edited on June 16, 2006 at 10:52 AM. Reason : .]

6/16/2006 10:51:36 AM

That may be true if most employees can complete the work without overtime.

In my experience, it's more common for missed deadlines to be caused by poor management - especially poor project management.

6/16/2006 11:05:30 AM

I start my job in a few weeks, but I can say that I am very VERY happy to ONLY have to concentrate on work for the next 3-5 years (or however long until I make up my mind to go back to grad school or not).

I worked 2 days a week first semester freshman year, other than that it's been no less than 25-30 hours a week on average for the entirety of my college career.

On top of that, I took no less than 16 hours per semester (except my last when I took 12) and a typical day either went:

get up
work
homework
sleep

or:

get up
class
work
homework
sleep

It will be very VERY nice for a change to have my days look more like:

get up
work
home to work on MY outside projects (record label, artist interviews, photography, other random projects)
sleep

I can truly focus my energy on my full-time job, and take the extra energy I was HAVING to devote to school (which I usually liked as I loved my major) and devote it to the things that I want to do to fulfill other areas in my life which have sometimes had to be neglected (no way could I take this active of a role in the label if I was still working and going to school - not happening!).

I see it really as a transition from focusing my energy on a certain two things, to refocusing that on other things, no less "work" is required as I'm the kind of person that likes a challenge and isn't happy unless they're busy and productive - but I see it as being much more up to ME what I focus my energy and time on outside of those 40-50 hours a week, and I like that

I do agree that if you don't work and go to school, that the transition is prob. a lot more rough and being in school is prob. much easier. Saying that i'm just assuming as I've never JUST done the school thing.

6/17/2006 2:29:27 AM

school is way more fun than work.

while in school, you can drink all night, oversleep and miss the entire next day, and you dont have to say shit to nobody.

but being poor does suck.



[Edited on June 17, 2006 at 3:08 AM. Reason : ]

6/17/2006 3:08:02 AM

Quote :

"Obviously you haven't worked yet."

wrong. I just found a very good situation where the management isn't shitty.

Quote :

"That may be true if most employees can complete the work without overtime. In my experience, it's more common for missed deadlines to be caused by poor management - especially poor project management."

True on both counts. That's why when you look for a job, remember that you are interviewing them as well. You want to look for good managers, a history of success, a very healthy organization, etc.

It's quite common for young workers to kill themselves working long hours for lost causes. Unless you are a part owner, you don't owe the company your family time, leisure time, etc. Overtime is most likely a sign of management problems. If the only way you can move up is by working ridiculous hours, you might want to look for a better situation.

There are definitely places out there that have interesting work, high pay, good management, and reasonable work expectations.

Quote :

"while in school, you can drink all night, oversleep and miss the entire next day, and you dont have to say shit to nobody. "

It's called flex time.

[Edited on June 17, 2006 at 3:22 AM. Reason : sdfsdf]

6/17/2006 3:19:21 AM

Taxes suck more.

The more you make, the more they take I think i am becoming a Republican......actually, not quite....


everyone(or almost everyone) in college is a Dem, then they graduate and start making money and turn into Republicans.

6/17/2006 3:41:23 AM

when i become successful i know i'm going to have to be my own boss, there is no way i could take orders from someone

6/17/2006 3:44:11 AM

Quote :

"drunknloaded: there is no way i could take orders from someone"

what this tells me



is that you are not capable of giving orders to anyone






[Edited on June 17, 2006 at 4:08 AM. Reason : ]

6/17/2006 4:05:59 AM

haha you got me there

also i'd just like to add that i keep telling myself its like 1.5 more years of studying and tests and shit, god i cant wait til all this money pays off

[Edited on June 17, 2006 at 4:16 AM. Reason : .]

6/17/2006 4:15:58 AM

I prefer work.

I'm better at my job than at school.

They also pay me at the job.

6/17/2006 12:04:28 PM

yeah, definatly prefer work

6/17/2006 4:13:42 PM

taxes definitely DO suck


i have about $1000 every month taken out in fucking federal & state taxes

then on top of that my health insurance fee & 401k stuff

6/17/2006 4:25:25 PM