Ok, its totally unsubstantiated and I'm at work so I don't have time to research it yet, but Neil Boortz just mentioned that not only are Earth's ice caps melting, but so are Mars' ice caps. This would point to a hotter sun, rather than greenhouse gases and global warming--although still leaves room for a little bit of both.

Anyone got information on that?

6/26/2006 11:18:18 AM

Between global warming and a hotter sun, I'd take global warming.

For obvious reasons.

6/26/2006 11:19:58 AM

Even if ice caps are melting on other planets?

6/26/2006 11:22:10 AM

Um..Patherfinder and the two mars probes were there...do you and we all know how much greenhouses they produce. Geez, we want to fuck up our planet and Mars. Shame on us, shame

6/26/2006 11:32:03 AM

it's funny because he's basing this on neal boortz.

think about it for a second: NEAL BOORTZ.

[Edited on June 26, 2006 at 11:35 AM. Reason : motherfucker spells it neAl]

6/26/2006 11:34:16 AM

Time for the martian version of Captain Planet to come to Earth and fuck us all up.

6/26/2006 11:38:26 AM

wow, a pundit says it, IT MUST BE TRUE

6/26/2006 11:41:53 AM

scientists know all about it...cant be a hotter sun...must be human caused...most scientists agree

6/26/2006 11:57:39 AM

actually i was reading more about it, and scientists point to a possibly more active core to mars (seismic and volcanic activity) as the cause to these changes.

but if you want to talk about an incomplete data set. mars' data set is only for a handful of years, so this could EASILY just be part of normal cycle.

6/26/2006 12:02:06 PM

on earth AND mars it could easily be part of normal cycles

6/26/2006 12:07:55 PM

well, it's a little harder to argue with earth, seeing as we have evidence of temperature changes for thousands and thousands of years, as opposed to just a few years for mars.

6/26/2006 12:13:49 PM

but in the geologic timescale, thousands of years arent a lot

6/26/2006 12:15:10 PM

When the Icecaps are gone we will see nothing but Hurricanes.

6/26/2006 12:21:50 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variability

6/26/2006 1:13:15 PM

Quote :

"A good simulation by GCMs of global mean temperature over the last 100 years requires both natural (solar; volcanic) and human (greenhouse gas) factors."

lots of people only want to focus on the human factors, or only on the natural factors

but they coexist

thats why its so fucking difficult to determine the causes of global climate change...and why its foolish to immediately jump to either side for lack of evidence, imo

6/26/2006 1:18:39 PM

Neal Bortz talked for at least five minutes about how basketball players are too tall, so there needs to be a "21 foot rule" for basketball. The maximum total height of the players on the floor at any given time cannot exceed 21 feet per team.

Now think about that. Think about that for just a minute. This guy said this on national radio.

6/26/2006 1:33:22 PM

wait wait wait. . . 21 feet.

i'm gonna do some quick math:

21/5 = 4.2 ft.

midget basketball!!?!

6/26/2006 1:35:43 PM

theres a reason he doesnt do sports radio

6/26/2006 1:36:23 PM

Quote :

"you shall hear the truth and the truth shall make you mad."

and all fairtax all the time. A lesser pundit me thinks.

6/26/2006 2:21:09 PM

^^haha, though I may pay to watch that.

6/26/2006 3:19:01 PM

Quote :

"Ok, its totally unsubstantiated and I'm at work so I don't have time to research it yet"

Some of you who just lambasted the source, and me for using it, didn't even read the first fucking sentence. You fucking ADHD retards!


God damn, reasoning with you is like trying to teach a midget to be tall.

6/26/2006 4:58:14 PM

yes we lack reason because we're hyperactive. that makes a lot of sense.

6/26/2006 5:03:06 PM

How can you "teach" a person to be a tall?

6/26/2006 5:03:29 PM

Isn't the the temperature of the sun something that scientists measure? Meaning that there is no need for speculation on this issue, we have data for it?

6/26/2006 5:05:08 PM

Its not reason you lack, its the ability to pay attention and remember sentences as you read.

And if you are asking me about teaching someone to be tall because you didn't understand my post, please make like a UC-Santa Cruzian and jump now.

6/26/2006 5:05:09 PM

Well I mean you're making yourself look stupid by trying to be funny with that statement.

You can't teach someone to be tall, so why would you try? Worse, you're an idiot for getting frustrated about it.

6/26/2006 5:09:50 PM

hahaha, precisely why I was comparing it to reasoning with the morons on this site.

What is your major? They should stop offering it now. Once you get a degree, we've ceased to be a university altogether.

6/26/2006 5:11:07 PM

Thats not the point your making at all though.

"God damn, reasoning with you is like trying to teach a midget to be tall."

I mean, what sort of a retard would try and teach a midget to be tall?

6/26/2006 5:35:19 PM

that's exactly what he's saying, he shouldn't be trying to reason with us.

6/26/2006 5:36:13 PM

Oh ok. If he's admitting he's a retard then cool.

I thought he was alluding to the futility of the effort.

6/26/2006 5:45:39 PM

nm

[Edited on June 26, 2006 at 5:49 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2006 5:46:40 PM

Al Gore seyz New York is gonna flood and Europe's gonna freeze.

6/26/2006 5:50:26 PM

Well, if it does cause a new ice age then sea levels will begin falling... the creation of new beach-front property in most coastal cities would create a shit load of wealth... I wonder who gets to claim land that didn't exist before? I suspect it will probably be claimed by the city for auction.

6/26/2006 6:34:46 PM

Quote :

"Isn't the the temperature of the sun something that scientists measure? Meaning that there is no need for speculation on this issue, we have data for it?"

Correct. The correlation with the Sun's luminosity and Earth's historic temperature isn't very strong. It strongly affects some chemical cycles though.

6/26/2006 6:45:41 PM