how in the world does a group like hezbollah end up with rockets and such?

7/16/2006 3:20:28 AM

= Iran + Syria + hate for Israel and the USA

7/16/2006 3:21:37 AM

it's not hard... civilians anywhere in the U.S. can get AK47's, M16's etc... you can buy whatever you want if you have the $ and the hook up.. and somebody always knows somebody

7/16/2006 3:21:43 AM

YEAH! RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!11

FREEDOM ON THE MARCH

someone please direct me to where i can buy an AK-47, I want to secede from the US and for an independent Republic of Florida down here.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 3:26 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2006 3:25:23 AM

brown brown

7/16/2006 3:34:35 AM

iran hooks hezbollah up

7/16/2006 2:17:16 PM

^^^dude, you can get an AK-47 pretty much anywhere

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=52565638

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=52457683

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=52566331



in fact, http://www.gunsamerica.com has a whole 8 page section of them for sale

http://gunsamerica.com/1030/1030-random-1.htm

7/16/2006 2:21:50 PM

Yeah Hezbollah works directly with Iran. Hezbollah's 1996 attack on the Khobar towers in Saudi Arabia that killed 18 US marines was planned and funded in Damascus. Too bad Clinton was too much of a pussy to do anything about it. It just emboldened Iran to carry out more attacks.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 2:24 PM. Reason : 2]

7/16/2006 2:23:33 PM

They're not AK-47's and M-16's if they aren't full-auto, which those aren't. You have to get a class III firearms license (~1 year and 200 bucks transfer tax), then pay around $10,000 for a legal full-auto weapon. Just to clear that up.

7/26/2006 4:01:42 PM

n00b

7/26/2006 4:02:42 PM

M-16's are full auto

AR-15's are semi

and AK's go both ways like Lance Bass

7/26/2006 4:03:40 PM

Quote :

" how in the world does a group like hezbollah end up with rockets and such? "

Quote :

"= Iran + Syria + hate for Israel and the USA "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060726/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_iran_3

Quote :

"Ahmadinejad's nation is a major backer of Hezbollah and a sworn enemy of Israel, but he denied that Tehran provides military support to the militant group, saying Iran only supports it politically and morally."

7/26/2006 4:08:04 PM

Josh beat me to it

you can get them locally also

for a good price

7/26/2006 4:09:31 PM

Haven't you ever seen Lord of War?

7/26/2006 4:18:10 PM

HAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD THAT SONG BY LOVERBOY?

7/26/2006 4:18:41 PM

^^no

but i do somewhat know its premise

7/26/2006 4:25:32 PM

The arms trade is out of control? We need to stop the trade of arms between Iran, Syria, and other terror-supporting nations. This can only be done through force, whether it comes only from the US or other allies who wish to stop the trade of terror. On the other hand, arms trading in this country is expressedly protected in our 2nd amendment, a law important to our protection and our unique freedoms.

7/26/2006 4:26:04 PM

Quote :

"They're not AK-47's and M-16's if they aren't full-auto, which those aren't. You have to get a class III firearms license (~1 year and 200 bucks transfer tax), then pay around $10,000 for a legal full-auto weapon. Just to clear that up."

You are correct on all counts except that there are tons of semiautomatic-only AK-47s. I know several people who have them, and I've shot one of them.

7/26/2006 5:34:04 PM

7/26/2006 5:37:55 PM

I've heard (on these boards I think) that's its easy to mod those semi-autos to be full-auto too.

7/26/2006 5:48:01 PM

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"M-16's are full auto AR-15's are semi and AK's go both ways like Lance Bass"

7/26/2006 5:48:09 PM

7/26/2006 5:49:47 PM

I fail to see the problem with groups like Hezbollah having arms.



[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 6:41 PM. Reason : Meh]

7/26/2006 6:34:38 PM

Guess who the biggest arms trader is?



If every country in the world had a lot of arms, there would be no war.

7/26/2006 7:23:47 PM

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"I fail to see the problem with groups like Hezbollah having arms."

Nothing aside from the fact that they use them

7/27/2006 7:21:27 AM

Quote :

"I fail to see the problem with groups like Hezbollah having arms."

7/27/2006 8:39:57 AM

whether we like it or not...terrorist groups are going to get guns...when they do, we should drop bombs on them and kill every single one of them

7/27/2006 8:42:22 AM

exactly.

that's why i took my job (well, not terrorists originally. i wanted to kill warlords and genocidal shitheads, then we got into the business of wasting militant islamists, which is also fine by me)

7/27/2006 9:48:34 AM

Quote :

"If every country in the world had a lot of arms, there would be no war. "

thats possibly the stupidest comment I've ever read on this board (and thats saying something). I can only hope it was a joke.

7/27/2006 9:51:30 AM

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"I fail to see the problem with groups like Hezbollah having arms."

Minus the fact that the international consensus and the United Nations wants to see Hezbollah disarmed?

7/27/2006 10:00:42 AM

minus the blatantly obvious fact that they use those arms on us or our allies? how fucking retarded are some people

7/27/2006 10:12:50 AM

how much do AK-47's and M-16's go for?

7/27/2006 10:32:10 AM

probably in the +/- $1,000 range...probably get the AK's for less than the AR's

7/27/2006 10:47:51 AM

you can get AK-47s locally for $300 and less (and damn if they aren't worth every penny...they're a dream to shoot).

I'm sure they're much cheaper in the majority of hot spots around the world.

7/27/2006 10:52:38 AM

Its an arms trade if its to countries we don't support.

Its foreign aide if its to countries we do support.

-Everyone follows this paradigm.

7/27/2006 11:14:33 AM

^^^^ semi-auto AK-47? few hundred bucks

AR-15 (semi-auto variant of the M-16)? a few hundred more bucks...~$1000, give or take (can be more...depends on who makes it and how it's configured).

Class III M-16 (an M-16A2 isn't exactly full auto...it has a 3-round burst setting. an M16A1 is full auto): $15,000+.


don't know how much a full-auto AK-47 is.



It doesn't matter...you can't afford one, and you can't legally buy one (without going through a lengthy background investigation).

7/27/2006 11:31:35 AM

Quote :

"how in the world does a group like hezbollah end up with rockets and such?"

The cold war.

7/27/2006 11:45:17 AM

^By God, Kris, I agree with you

7/27/2006 11:45:50 AM

It should be kind of obvious how they end up with an assload of 30 year old weapons.

7/27/2006 11:47:59 AM

^^^ Definitely. They're either leftovers from Soviet-supplied stockpiles or they are cheap knock-offs manufactured by countries like North Korea andn Iran.

I always found it odd how the Katusha rocket was first introduced by the Soviets during World War II. Simple yet suprisingly effective to this day.

7/27/2006 1:41:54 PM

A lot of them are soviet weapons, some of them are american weapons that we gave them to fight the soviets with. It was a problem with both countries, they'd give weapons to anyone who asked as long as they were going to cause the other guy some trouble. It resulted in some bad longer term effects, such as large amounts of weapons in the hands of wackos in the middle east and north korea.

7/27/2006 1:54:30 PM

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"Minus the fact that the international consensus and the United Nations wants to see Hezbollah disarmed? "

This does not explain the problem with them being armed-- it only suggests that some countries percieve that Hezbollah being armed is a problem.

Quote :

"minus the blatantly obvious fact that they use those arms on us or our allies? how fucking retarded are some people"

Woah, there, buddy. Israel is not *my* ally. Just because the USA chooses to blindly follow and support Israel does not mean that the USA's individual citizens have to blindly follow and support them. So, by my opinions (being that I do not support Israel in any way), Hezbollah having arms is not a problem if "problem" is defined by them using said arms against the USA's allies. If you wish to narrow mindedly group everyone in America as being an "ally" to Israel (I assume this is the ally you were talking about when you mentioned Hezbollah using arms against our allies), then perhaps my original question was retarded.

I pledge no allegence to Israel, though.

Also, if you listen to what any of these supposed "terrorists" say, you'll find that they claim to attack the USA because the USA supports Israel. I see a pretty easy way out of this.

7/27/2006 2:21:11 PM

Quote :

"our allies"

the United States' allies

there is that better?

7/27/2006 3:22:43 PM

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"Simple yet suprisingly effective to this day."

They aren't really very effective. Yeah, they kill a few people here and there, but that's about it. Considering how many Hezbollah has shot, they're pretty pathetic. Good at terrorizing civilians but of little military value.

7/27/2006 3:25:43 PM

Quote :

"Also, if you listen to what any of these supposed "terrorists" say, you'll find that they claim to attack the USA because the USA supports Israel. I see a pretty easy way out of this."

(this is a serious TreeTwista post for those of you who think ALL I do is troll)

well for one thing, one of the complaints with the Iraq War was that we didn't have enough allies or international support...and many people are proponents of the viewpoint that "most of the world doesnt like America"...so if those things are true, it would seem important to keep the few allies we still have

However, if it were as simple as "dont be an ally to Israel and the terrorists will stop hating and attacking you" maybe we would consider it

But the fact is its not that simple...some of the islamic extremists that hate us are going to hate us and try to attack us regardless...some of them dont like our freedoms...some of them dont like any non-Muslims...if we said fuck Israel, some of them are still going to hate a country they perceive to be predominantly Christian...I mean these guys have people of all ages willing to blow themselves up to take out anyone they dont agree with...hell they kill other different Muslims...it would be kind of similar in the US to Catholics, for example, killing any non Catholics, including Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, etc

7/27/2006 3:36:12 PM

hah, your one serious post consists of stating the obvious, restating the obvious, then making a bad analogy.

7/27/2006 4:01:55 PM

boy you sure did really add to the discussion with that last post

7/27/2006 4:06:31 PM

boy you sure did really add to the discussion with that last post

7/27/2006 4:09:27 PM

damn you are original as fuck with your trolling

7/27/2006 4:10:33 PM

the link that may save this thread

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BDED4D837%2DD50E%2D4E7E%2D8F98%2DB5B8DD580D36%7D&siteid=

7/27/2006 4:24:20 PM