well the original thread i made is > 90 days old.

Anyways, has anyone ever gave allofmp3 their credit card info to refill the balance? I have used XROST but they have been down for EVAR. I wish they took paypal.....

7/19/2006 12:00:21 PM

Why do you pay for illegal mp3s? If they're not legal, you might as well steal them and not give up your hard earned cash.

7/19/2006 12:04:23 PM

time > money esp. at 2c/MB

7/19/2006 12:11:26 PM

Usually with western/American music, I rarely feel like downloading anything because they always keep on playing good music on the radio/XM/Internet etc.

As for Indian music, it hardly takes time!

7/19/2006 12:12:54 PM

I've used allofmp3 / alltunes (new name) to download almost 3GB of music, used my credit card everytime, its safe

and they use http://www.chronopay.com/ for their credit transactions

7/19/2006 12:36:55 PM

who needs to pay when you can use oink.

fast and free.

[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 1:39 PM. Reason : df]

7/19/2006 1:35:21 PM

^ don't you need an invite to Oink?

@darkone

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"time > money esp. at 2c/MB"

7/19/2006 1:39:40 PM

yup....keeps the riff raff out.

Quote :

"time > money esp. at 2c/MB""

2c/MB is still expensive for illegal music...id be out over $1000 if i went the allofmp3 route


[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 1:41 PM. Reason : df]

7/19/2006 1:40:12 PM

I like my MP3's to be of a quality that I can pick and choose, not some average Joe iTunes user who rips their MP3s and shares them

thats why I like Allofmp3, and if its illegal they'll shut them down eventually. Until then I can 'import' my music from Russia with a cheapness

7/19/2006 1:46:25 PM

agreed....oink has rules and standards which are constantly monitored and people are kicked out if they break the rules.

typically you can choose between 192kbps, 320kbps, VBR, or flac....so if you're looking for something with worse quality then 192kbps, you have to go elsewhere.

transcodes and re-encodes aren't tolerated either.

[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 1:50 PM. Reason : df]

7/19/2006 1:49:24 PM

how does one get back into oink? i had an account a long time ago, but was deleted due to inactivity

7/19/2006 2:16:31 PM

send them a donation.

7/19/2006 2:19:34 PM

Screw paying for music. Why should I pay for something can download for free or get the CD from someone I know? Bitrate is not a concern of mine. I'm not an audiophile. I can't tell the diffrence between a file with a bitrate of 128, 160, or 192kbps. I can tell its a low quality file if its encoded at <128kbps.

7/19/2006 4:55:52 PM

because god forbid the artists get paid

7/19/2006 5:06:44 PM

Artists make money touring, not through record sales.

7/19/2006 5:09:38 PM

7/19/2006 5:13:42 PM

I'm assuming we are not talking about some shitty indie stuff, if not then yeah the label is the one cashing in on the record sales.

7/19/2006 5:18:01 PM

please never post in tech talk again

7/19/2006 5:18:56 PM

You're wrong, please bathe.

7/19/2006 5:29:27 PM

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"because god forbid the artists multi-billion dollar corporations get paid"

7/19/2006 5:30:00 PM

yea I am sure all the money your fav Britney made was through touring your village.

stfu

7/19/2006 5:35:53 PM

this means you people

7/19/2006 5:45:43 PM

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"Artists make money touring, not through record sales."

Pretty sure you're wrong on that.

From what I recall reading, only the biggest acts (i.e., the Stones, DMB) actually make good profits from touring. For everyone else, it's just done to increase album sales.

7/19/2006 7:25:59 PM

fyi - RIAA and BPI both claim that they have not received any money from allofmp3

from what i know (this could be wrong) - artists sign with recording labels (read: artists give the RIAA the right to sell/distribute their music)... if the RIAA/BPI isn't getting paid, the artists aren't getting paid.... whether you like it or not, the artists (about 90%) give the RIAA the right to collect copyright fees.

if you are circumventing the RIAA, you aren't helping the artists only giving money to a russian organization.... and paying for illegal music. moral of the story, if you're going to continue to download illegal music, you might as well get it for free from p2p/BT.

i for one am against the RIAA and any means in which i can circumvent them i will... as long as those means are legal... so if any of you know how that can be done, i'd be more interested in legal alternatives...

7/19/2006 7:40:55 PM

Artists have to cover all of their expenses before they see a dime of royalties, and then they get a very small percentage.

And the point of paying for illegal music is that it is easier than p2p, you can pick the format/ bitrate, and you don't have to worry about loud noises that blow out your speaker 5 seconds into a song. It costs next to nothing, most people are fine paying that.

7/19/2006 7:53:40 PM

i think i read somwhere, Popular Science maybe, that the artists themselves license their music to the russian media (which is state-run), and then allofmp3 licenses it from them. i guess this is similar to using an overseas gambling site. this is also the reason that you can get bands like the beatles and metallica.

btw, i've never had any problems with giving them credit card info. pretty straight forward, and it's easy to refill your balance.

i like this site because i don't download a ton of music, but when i do i'll pay a little for convenience and quality, plus little things like other suggested artist, new artists/albums, listeners who bought this one also enjoyed these, etc. and its FAST.

7/21/2006 1:54:53 AM

if there was an album I had to have, but didnt want enough to actually buy it, and I somehow couldn't find a torrent for it, then maybe I'd use allofmp3. but I wouldn't delude myself into thinking that it was actually legal, or that the artist/copyright holders were seeing any of that money.

7/21/2006 2:02:24 AM

^i dont think that _anyone_ thinks it's legal. It's cheap and convenient.

7/21/2006 12:19:26 PM

http://www.webcrawler.com

audio tab

7/21/2006 1:48:41 PM

^please tell me that was a joke. If I want quality music I prolly don't want a midi.

FFVII called...they want their music back

7/21/2006 2:19:36 PM

^^^no, the last thread was full of idiots claiming it was totally legit

7/21/2006 10:04:38 PM

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"no, the last thread was full of idiots claiming it was totally legit"

ruh roh

7/21/2006 10:10:12 PM

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"I can't tell the diffrence between a file with a bitrate of 128, 160, or 192kbps"

hearing loss, much?

7/21/2006 11:11:01 PM

^hey, if you cant hear it, then you cant hear it.
I cant really hear the difference myself .

7/23/2006 10:32:19 PM

i've bought 1 cd since 7th grade...project pat "layin the smack down"...in 7th grade i got the puff daddy cd

7/23/2006 11:01:51 PM

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"^hey, if you cant hear it, then you cant hear it. I cant really hear the difference myself ."

try it out with a decent set of headphones

it might be your speakers - but the difference between 128 and 192 is easy to hear, higher than 192 and it gets harder

7/23/2006 11:46:27 PM

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060906-7676.html

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" New Russian law targets AllofMP3.com 9/6/2006 11:53:57 AM, by Nate Anderson Like the rumors of Mark Twain's death, reports of AllofMP3.com's demise have been greatly exaggerated. A new Russian law that came into force this week could mark the end of the site's defiant run, though, as Russia attempts to enter the World Trade Organization and bring its intellectual property laws into agreement with international norms. AllofMP3 has faced legal pressure for some time, but Russian authorities have never moved against the site. It operates using a loophole in Russian law that allows it to take out a "license" to distribute music, even if the group doing the licensing has no permission to do so from the artists involved. The Duma actually passed legislation in July of 2004 that gave works distributed on the Internet the same protections as those published in traditional formats, but the law did not take effect until September 1, 2006, according to Russian daily Kommersant. The delay was so that sites like AllofMP3 could have the time needed to come into compliance, but that would have required AllofMP3 to spend a significant chunk of change, so the site didn't bother. The new law provides for up to five years in prison for copyright violators, but—this being Russia—few are convinced that the law will be enforced. Legal analyst Vadim Uskov says, "Russian laws might be good, but they are not implemented very well. If usual sellers of counterfeit goods are not caught on the street, then no one will catch the owners of websites in the Internet where it is hard to identify them." Regardless of how well they will be enforced, the very fact that the legislation was passed is a victory for the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, which has led the charge in Russia against AllofMP3. The group argues that the new law will spur the development of legal, fully licensed music sites that could not thrive in a market dominated by AllofMP3. The move no doubt pleased the Office of the US Trade Representative, which has told Russia that it needs to shutter AllofMP3 if it wants US support for its WTO bid. Russia currently remains on the 2006 Priority Watch List because of US concerns about "the continued increase in optical disc pirate production in Russian plants and the growth of Internet piracy on Russian websites such as http://www.allofmp3.com." Duma trouble Unfortunately for the copyright cops, all of this success could soon be undone by a pair of other developments. The first is Russia's recent claim that it is willing to pull out of WTO talks if no progress is made in agricultural trade talks with the US. How is this relevant? The biggest sticking point in the talks had previously been intellectual property laws, and now that new Russian laws are coming into force, Russia looked to have a clear path to the goal line. Now, with the other issues looming large in the accession talks, Russia is threatening to walk away from the table. If it does so, its committment to strengthening intellectual property laws would no doubt be weakened, and might make enforcement of the new legislation even less of a priority. The second problem is that the Duma is set to consider a rewrite of Part IV of Russia's Civil Code, the section that deals with copyrights and intellectual property laws. This rewrite will supersede all previous laws, and in its current form seems to create more of the ambiguity that has allowed sites like AllofMP3 to stay alive in the first place. The US Trade Rep isn't happy about this and notes that the current draft of the legislation "raises questions about [Russia's] compliance with international norms and the possible adverse effect it could have, if passed, on IPR [Intellectual Property Rights] protection and enforcement in Russia." So don't count AllofMP3 out just yet. The latest rumors of the site's impending closure might be just as vapid as the country's claim to have a functioning democracy."

9/7/2006 1:39:25 AM

russia aint no damn democracy

they are going to align with china and try to fuck over the US but the US is too strong to let that happen

the US could and should fuck up a lot of countries

9/7/2006 2:36:09 AM

Facts about Allofmp3.com

1) It is not "technically" illegal right now according to Russian law. They ARE paying for the music, just to the Russian Government. So in truth it's the Russian Government who isn't paying.
2) Artists in general make most of their money through merchandise and touring NOT cd sales. Only very powerful artist can haggle with the producers/riaa. This is a well known fact that has been proven time and time again. That's why I could care less about music and download it. If it's indie I'll buy it because most probably there isn't a torrent anyway and $8 won't kill me.
3) It's cheaper than itunes or anyone else and doesn't have ANY DRM which is a huge huge sell to me. They sell music how I think it should be. Not overpriced and restrictive.
4) It's Russian so I'm not giving them my CC info. sorry.

9/7/2006 8:06:48 AM

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"The Duma actually passed legislation in July of 2004 that gave works distributed on the Internet the same protections as those published in traditional formats, but the law did not take effect until September 1, 2006"

well today's the 7th, so since the law IS in effect now, yes it IS illegal in Russia and the rest of the world.

^what does your #2 have anything to do with allofmp3?

^yahoo is now providing some music without DRM

9/7/2006 8:16:18 AM

It's not illegal. Read the article. They are still using a loophole. They ARE paying for it but to the Russian Gov as is required by their law, not to the RIAA etc. There is law protecting rights of artists and in order to access those legally in russia you have to pay the russian media group which they are.


[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 9:33 AM. Reason : wording.]

9/7/2006 9:31:31 AM

Current balance: $-0.46

Even if they do go down, I dont give a shit right now.

^^^ 4.) They use a 3rd party CC processing company, so your CC# doesnt go to mother Russia

9/7/2006 10:33:36 AM

Anyone who pays allofmp3 are fucking morons. I have limewire, I can sort the quality of the songs I want, it takes about 30seconds to get a song. Why in gods name are you paying to break the law?

And for those of you who thinks its legal, how about this. Video tape yourself paying and downloading from allofmp3, mail it to the RIAA with your complete name, SS# and address and see how long it takes them to sue your ass. Im gonna guess it wouldn't pretty fucking quick.

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"^i dont think that _anyone_ thinks it's legal. It's cheap and convenient."

Limewire is free and convenient.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 2:48:48 PM

id rather pay a few cents to:
easily pick my song
know that it wont have annoying static stuff that makes my speakers explode
know that it is actually the correct song
pick my format
pick my bitrate
have integrated charts so i can browse songs instead of searching out a particular song
etc...

9/7/2006 3:42:47 PM

I easily pick my songs too
1 out of maybe 100 has static
Always get the song I think I am getting
I can pick my format
I can choose which bitrate
You can browse stuff in other peoples libraries
etc...


YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR PAYING FOR ILLEGAL SHIT THAT YOU CAN GET FOR FREE.

Stop coming up with excuses to try and make yourself look like less of a moron.


It would be like paying a small amount for some crack when you can walk over to the next block and get it from another black dude for free, all the time, whenever you want it.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 5:36:38 PM

its easier for me to find a song
thats 1 more than i get
then you are lucky
sometimes, if they are available
sometimes, if they are available
thats annoying


you are an idiot if you cant see the convienience that a few cents provides

stop being angry that you are still using some stuff from the 90's



it would be like getting crack for free on a street that has a lot of police stings instead of paying a few cents and getting it on a safer street where you know the crack is exactly what you want

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 6:02 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 6:01:49 PM

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"They ARE paying for it but to the Russian Gov as is required by their law"

the article states that it "operates using a loophole" (current tense), then contradicts itself when it states that the law did not take effect until September 1, 2006, even though that would mean that it's CURRENTLY in effect even though the article was published September 6, it's more likely it was written before the 1st, i dunno, but if the law is in effect it's def. illegal since paying the gov't is clearly violating the copyright owner's rights... the article then goes on to say that allofmp3 has a chance in the future if the legislation reverses it.

again, see this:

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"Regardless of how well they will be enforced, the very fact that the legislation was passed is a victory for the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry"

9/7/2006 6:35:32 PM

who cares if its illegal, the riaa isnt going after it

9/7/2006 6:42:42 PM

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"stop being angry that you are still using some stuff from the 90's"

haha, Im not angry, I get what I want, fast, easily, and for free. So that being said, I win. Because you are paying, and I get the exact same thing, as easily, for free. If you were paying for them on iTunes or something, then you would have an argument. BUT YOU ARE PAYING TO GET THEM ILLEGALLY! And for that, you are a fucking moron.

9/7/2006 6:44:53 PM

you dont get the same thing, its not as easy

Quote :

"it would be like getting crack for free on a street that has a lot of police stings instead of paying a few cents and getting it on a safer street where you know the crack is exactly what you want"

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 6:46 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 6:46:26 PM