http://www.getusout.org/

Should we allow an organization on our shores that:

-does not respect property rights
-will not commit to fighting terrorism
-promotes humanism (worship of "mother earth") and the unimportance of christian values
-wants to ban civilians from owning guns
-runs corrupt organizations worldwide who have abused authority as well as people
-legitimizes despots like saddam and the president of iran

It would be in the best interest of America to remove ourselves from this organization and remove this cancer from our shores!

7/24/2006 1:39:38 PM

THA BIG GIRL?

7/24/2006 1:43:34 PM

can we just discuss the issue, please?

7/24/2006 1:47:32 PM

We cannot start picking and choosing which organizations we allow to operate on our shores. Until the UN begins funding hamas or something we have no grounds of kicking them out.

And giving up our security council seat is silly, we should stay till they throw us out.

As for funding the UN, it would be reasonable begin partial funding of just those programs Congress agrees with. That is our right as a soverign nation, and if we wish to go that route that is our choice.

7/24/2006 1:50:08 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=359573
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=352904

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"Username : THABIGL Profile Real Name : Randy L Age : 34 Sex : M Interests : Politics, NC State football, and writing Favorite Quote : Peaceniks are traitors!"

7/24/2006 1:50:22 PM

Yes. What good would pulling out of the UN do for us aside from save us a few dollars? In that situation we would still have the same organization with the same problems that you mentioned except we could do nothing to try and remedy the problem. It would be very similar to us abstaining from the ICC. For all of its problems, we can do nothing to help solve them because we decided to not sign on to it.

7/24/2006 1:53:27 PM

ive given the reasons why they are not in our best interest, and there are many more behind the link.

im not sure what joshua there is getting at, but please keep it out of the discussion.

7/24/2006 1:55:45 PM

THA BIG GIRL!!!

7/24/2006 1:58:31 PM

THA BIG GIRL STRIKES AGAIN

7/24/2006 1:58:53 PM

im going to refrain from engaging in namecalling, but ill just say that this is completely expected from a group of liberals such as yourselves.

keep it out or youll be reported (now that we actually have moderation here)

7/24/2006 2:04:07 PM

I'm a liberal?

7/24/2006 2:05:12 PM

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"-does not respect property rights -will not commit to fighting terrorism -promotes humanism (worship of "mother earth") and the unimportance of christian values -wants to ban civilians from owning guns -runs corrupt organizations worldwide who have abused authority as well as people -legitimizes despots like saddam and the president of iran"

links?

7/24/2006 2:11:23 PM

I'd refrain from name calling, but this topic has already been discussed and threads made so I don't feel bad if anyone runs amok in this thread.

7/24/2006 2:12:40 PM

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"keep it out or youll be reported (now that we actually have moderation here)"

Really? Its fairly obvious you're not only a troll, but you are an alias for a well known and suspended troll.

So if you're going to report us, you can go ahead and report yourself as well.

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"Account abuse will not be tolerated under ANY circumstances. As we have limited the accounts per user to ONE, we presume that our users will value their sole account at The Wolf Web."

site_account.aspx

7/24/2006 2:12:59 PM

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"-does not respect property rights"

You mean like the emminent domain decision?

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"-will not commit to fighting terrorism"

I believe the UN has engaged in peace keeping operations through its time of existance. And yes, some of them were anti-terrorist. They just don't hate arabs.

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"-promotes humanism (worship of "mother earth") and the unimportance of christian values"

The UN is a secular body and always has been. I don't see how changing it to a Christian body would do anything except alienate a large percentage of the world (which is exactly what the UN tries not to do).

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"-wants to ban civilians from owning guns"

Issue of national sovereignty and the UN does not make those decisions nor should they.

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"-runs corrupt organizations worldwide who have abused authority as well as people"

Examples besides oil for food? What about UNICEF? How many people have they helped?

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"-legitimizes despots like saddam and the president of iran"

Issue of national sovereignty.

P.S. - Isolationism is bad. Refer to US history.

[Edited on July 24, 2006 at 3:06 PM. Reason : ed]

7/24/2006 3:04:07 PM

"-promotes humanism (worship of "mother earth") and the unimportance of christian values"

have you ever heard the term, "separation of church and state"

7/24/2006 3:41:32 PM

shut up, randy

7/24/2006 3:42:17 PM

Seperation of church and state doesn't really apply to the UN. I just find it funny that he wants a worldwide body to endorse one religion. Its really a shallow view.

7/24/2006 4:05:47 PM

1. If I was once a troll, I am not now. None of my most recent posts resemble the initial liberal baiting I did.

2. On the topic of account abuse/aliases: I was suspended long ago and never unsuspended. I was never told what I did and never unsuspended in accordance with the rules of the site. There seem to be people who do mch worse things than liberal baiting that get unsuspended eventually. I never was unsuspended, and since I wasnt for whatever reason, I had to pay the 5 dollar fee to get another account.

I'm now here for discussion, not "trolling" as you may claim.

I'll address the other issues dealing w/ this thread later.

7/24/2006 4:15:03 PM

I know that it doesn't apply to the UN, but when he asks, "Should we allow an organization on our shores that" I assume that he is referring to "we" as Americans...and as Americans separation of church and state does apply...

either way I agree, a very shallow idea

7/24/2006 4:17:19 PM

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"What about UNICEF? How many people have they helped?"

I donate to them every year, btw. I'm interested in the reasons why we should not involve ourselves in one of the only organizations that gives a fuck about the tragedy in africa.

7/24/2006 4:17:21 PM

i'm not sure how much they really give a fuck, but at least they pretend to.

7/24/2006 4:18:36 PM

they have people on the ground there

id say thats more than the us has on its own (not counting independent groups, of course)

7/24/2006 4:52:06 PM

at least salisburyboy posts a link to prisonplanet

7/24/2006 5:00:52 PM

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"If I was once a troll, I am not now. None of my most recent posts resemble the initial liberal baiting I did."

I still think you're a troll, and I know you're a douchebag.

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"On the topic of account abuse/aliases: I was suspended long ago and never unsuspended. I was never told what I did and never unsuspended in accordance with the rules of the site."

7/24/2006 5:26:22 PM

is this threadmaker a State grad?

7/24/2006 5:42:36 PM

UNUJC

UNITED NATIONS UNDER JESUS CHRIST!

7/24/2006 5:59:22 PM

Hahaha, the Big Girl paid $5 to have the priviledge of talking to all us liberals.

7/24/2006 6:08:06 PM

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"im going to refrain from engaging in namecalling, but ill just say that this is completely expected from a group of liberals such as yourselves. keep it out or youll be reported (now that we actually have moderation here)"

Whatever, dickhead.

7/24/2006 10:10:26 PM

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"Should we allow an organization on our shores that: -does not respect property rights"

Sort of like when a state decides to run a highway through the middle of your property?

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"-will not commit to fighting terrorism"

How many Iraqis attacked us on 9/11? Also, why then aren't we fighting the Saudis? Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush likes holding hands with them.

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"-promotes humanism (worship of "mother earth") and the unimportance of christian values"

And you think the Middle East is mad at us now?

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"-wants to ban civilians from owning guns"

It's funny how people like you say the UN is so weak, then suddenly believe that they are strong enough to ban guns.

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"-runs corrupt organizations worldwide who have abused authority as well as people"

Abu Ghraib? (abusing people)
How about Halliburton giving our troops contaminated water?

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"-legitimizes despots like saddam and the president of iran"

Cue the pic of Rumsfeld and Saddam. Also, remind me who helped Saddam rise to power.

7/24/2006 11:50:47 PM

on the topic of the "earth charter" and the "humanist religion" as backed by the un:

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"What's the deal with UNESCO? While President Reagan took us out of this anti-American organization because of their rotten track record, President Bush says let's get back in. UNESCO, our global school board, is a big supporter of the diabolical Earth Charter. While our children are not free to read from The Bible or to mention the name of Christ in school, they are being led to worship Mother Earth under the guise of being educated. http://www.getusout.org/earthworship The Earth Charter housed in an Ark of Hope will be making its way around the country. http://www.arkofhope.org. Why would a Christian want to involve us in such a nefarious organization? - Debbie O'Hara, August 15, 2003 http://www.newswithviews.com/Ohara/debbie4.htm"

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"Sort of like when a state decides to run a highway through the middle of your property? "

I do not support eminent domain. This law should be struct down, as it goes against our right to property. i think most americans agree that this is an unconstitutional law.

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"How many Iraqis attacked us on 9/11? Also, why then aren't we fighting the Saudis? Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush likes holding hands with them."

I guess our war against the Taliban and our support for anti-terror efforts right now in the middle east means nothing to you?

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"Abu Ghraib? (abusing people) How about Halliburton giving our troops contaminated water?"

the actions of a few people and isolated mistakes are nothing like the rotten track record of unesco and un workers abroad

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"Cue the pic of Rumsfeld and Saddam. Also, remind me who helped Saddam rise to power."

You know nothing of the world climate of the time, I guess. Figures.

7/26/2006 4:34:36 PM

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""Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong, United Nations Head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro"

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""Food is Power! We use it to control behavior. Some may call it bribery. We do not apologize." - Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the United Nations World Food Program, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Agriculture, speaking at the UN World Food Summit, Nov 1996."

more on the Earth Charter: http://www.getusout.org/artman/publish/article_108.shtml

7/26/2006 4:40:03 PM

why the hell should we give up our voice in the un? it reminds me of:

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=420680

7/26/2006 4:41:05 PM

Are you under the impression that aid and diplomacy will cease to exist without them?

7/26/2006 4:41:58 PM

are you under the impression that everyone should fall in line w/ how you think the world should work?

7/26/2006 4:47:34 PM

Randy you are clearly a troll

Anyone who is a not a pussy whiny liberal is a troll

that said, i think we should keep our seat...but the organization is a clusterfuck...hence why we dont really care what they say and we decide whats best for our own country

7/26/2006 4:51:20 PM

^^I'm not alone. What's wrong with wanting to ensure that we are able to act in our best interest?

My hope is that the organization will disband like the League of Nations. Unfortunately, it might take a major disaster to see this happen, so I hope that our withdrawal will serve as an example to others, and hopefully other nations will follow us out.

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2006 4:52:50 PM

When the hell has what the UN wanted stopped the US from doing anything the current gov really wanted to do?

7/26/2006 4:57:01 PM

why should they invoke their wreckless, irresponsible agenda on the world, or even have a chance to?

7/27/2006 12:18:49 AM

Because "they" are the democratic consensus of the world.

7/27/2006 12:20:17 AM

how exactly is the UN "democratic"?

7/27/2006 12:21:47 AM

well, the countries in the UN have these things called votes...

7/27/2006 12:28:15 AM

how many of these do the us people, who value property and their unique traditions, have?

7/27/2006 12:30:16 AM

First of all, it's the democratic consensus of the world, not of the U.S. people over the world.

Secondly, we have veto power over anything that goes through the UN.

7/27/2006 12:35:47 AM

We have one vote; the same as any other nation.

We can also veto pretty much anything we want to as well. So we have more power than most.

7/27/2006 1:23:50 AM

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"I do not support eminent domain. This law should be struct down, as it goes against our right to property."

Well, I can actually agree with you on that. I guess it's a start.

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"I guess our war against the Taliban and our support for anti-terror efforts right now in the middle east means nothing to you?"

Remind me what country the Taliban ruled over. Also, with car bombs going off every day, random shootings in the streets, and constant violence threatening civilians and soldiers in Iraq, I would have to say our efforts are unfortunately not going so well.

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"the actions of a few people and isolated mistakes are nothing like the rotten track record of unesco and un workers abroad"

So, I'm guessing you believe that everything we have done is just squeaky clean? Also, I think you can look at our own government and see our own rotten track record.

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"You know nothing of the world climate of the time, I guess. Figures."

First, does this mean you're justifying us aligning with Saddam? Second, I know that the Iran/Iraq war was going on at the time. We put all of our eggs in one basket, and it ended up biting us in the ass in the long run. Was it the first time we did it in our history? Absolutely not. After all, look at how bin Laden gained power and influence. I guess you can justify that as well.

Here's a quote from Rumsfeld in 1983:

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"“[Saddam] made it clear that Iraq was not interested in making mischief in the world. It struck us as useful to have a relationship, given that we were interested in solving the Mideast problems."

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"Anyone who is a not a pussy whiny liberal is a troll that said, i think we should keep our seat...but the organization is a clusterfuck...hence why we dont really care what they say and we decide whats best for our own country"

Well, I'll start by saying I haven't called you a troll yet. However, simply calling everyone pussy liberals isn't exactly helping your cause. However, pages of everyone else bitching about you aren't exactly making this any better, so I'll leave it at that. That being said, I do agree with most of what you say about the UN in this quote. The UN is not going to decide what is best for us. Even if they say something, they won't do anything about it, and we all know that. My issue with most conservatives is the fact that many say in one breath that the UN is weak, but in the next breath, will say that they will take over America, and do something like take our guns. Which one is it: Are they strong enough to take over everything, or too weak to govern itself?

7/27/2006 2:11:57 AM

THA BIG GIRL????














THA BIG GIRL!!!

7/27/2006 9:12:23 AM

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"I was never told what I did and never unsuspended in accordance with the rules of the site. "

oh boo fucking hoo. Show me these mysterious site rules that say you're supposed to be unsuspended after X days. thats what i thought.

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"promotes humanism (worship of "mother earth") "

you dont even know what the fuck that word means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

Try educating yourself before you spew a bunch of crap everywhere. all it does it stink up the place.

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"im going to refrain from engaging in namecalling, but ill just say that this is completely expected from a group of liberals such as yourselves. "

awesome, way to refrain buddy. so everyone who disagrees with your extremist ideas (at least 80% of the country) is a liberal?

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"legitimizes despots like saddam and the president of iran"

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"the actions of a few people and isolated mistakes are nothing like the rotten track record of unesco and un workers abroad"

The actions of a few? please.

http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/FBI.121504.4940_4941.pdf

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"I just find it funny that he wants a worldwide body to endorse one religion. Its really a shallow view."

7/27/2006 10:23:05 AM

why are you offended when someone calls you a liberal if you are a liberal?

would you rather be labelled an EVIL CONSERVATIVE?

7/27/2006 10:29:18 AM

In the context that people most often use it on this board, its blatant name calling. I'm not the least bit offended, just calling a spade a spade.

7/27/2006 10:50:35 AM