http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/25/mideast.main/index.html


U.N. confirms 4 observers die in bombing raid
Attack "apparently deliberate," U.N. head says

7/25/2006 7:03:06 PM

hmmm....apparently??....way to mislead with the title...nice

7/25/2006 7:03:39 PM

"apparently" = "we don't have proof but we think"

7/25/2006 7:06:15 PM

What do the zionists want to hide?

7/25/2006 7:07:59 PM

standard salisbury trick: misleading title

7/25/2006 7:19:22 PM

Israel is doing a pretty good job of pissing everyone off lately. Why the hell did we just send Rice over there for an Arab-killing photo-op?

$10 says they'll pussy out anyway and not invade the country, making all these airstrikes pointless.

7/25/2006 7:23:25 PM

This isn't the first attack that has hit that post btw.

7/25/2006 7:24:05 PM

freedom is on the march

7/25/2006 7:30:34 PM

Kofi Annan might just be the most useless POS around

7/25/2006 7:37:04 PM

i don't quite understand why israel is getting hated on for this.

if we found ourselves in a similar situation, we'd be tearing the hell out of the offending party even worse than israel is doing, and only the absolutely most limp wristed fringe of pacifists and self-loathing americans would have anything to say against it.



i mean, we have the economic and political leverage to likely get it taken care of otherwise (whereas israel doesn't), but i'm not even sure that we would limit our actions to that approach. i'm pretty sure that we'd take the offending party out back and beat that ass, even if diplomatic pressure alone would put a stop to it.

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 8:22 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

7/25/2006 8:19:35 PM

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"i don't quite understand why israel is getting hated on for this."

Ummm, maybe, just maybe, because:

- they have killed 400 people, mostly civilians, half of them children

- their stated aim of destroying hezbolla with direct "surgical" hits is a secondary aim

- their primary aim (through deliberate targetting of civilian infrastructure AND civilians) is to force the lebanese people to force their government to kick out hezbolla

- they have destroyed roads, bridges, and an airport

- they have destroyed huge apartment complexes, small village homes

- they have levelled countless factories, including a Procter & Gamble factory

- they have dropped leaflets on villages telling civilians to leave, AND THEN BOMBED the convoys heading out from such villages on the only available paved road

- for the first 8 days, they had a blockade preventing humanitarian supplies (olmert "graciously" approved a humanitarian corridor on the 9th day; i bet he slept well because of that!)

SO THOSE WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL'S ACTIONS, TELL ME:

israel says it is carrying out smart surgucal strikes targetting hezbolla, right? then how come so many civilian buildings are getting levelled? errant bombs? and what about the bombing of convoys heading out of villages, which have gratuitously killed several families in one go?

7/25/2006 8:37:20 PM

^^You mean like the time when china captured our spy plane? or a number of soldiers have been captured in Iraq?

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 8:37 PM. Reason : dfsd]

7/25/2006 8:37:40 PM

Or when North Korea took our boat?

7/25/2006 8:39:13 PM

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"if we found ourselves in a similar situation, we'd be tearing the hell out of the offending party even worse than israel is doing"

for the abduction of two soldiers?

who are you kidding?

7/25/2006 8:39:38 PM

It's so sad to me that some of you guys hate the jews more than you hate the terrorists.

7/25/2006 8:42:27 PM

Maybe some of us feel bad for the citizens of Lebanon, which is a mixed nation (and the terrorists are a minority)

7/25/2006 8:45:37 PM

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"It's so sad to me that some of you guys hate the jews more than you hate the terrorists."

It's so sad to me when people talk about what they know not.

7/25/2006 8:46:07 PM

I don't think anyone here hates the jews, I think they don't agree with Israel. Doesn't seem too outlandish considering what they have done and are doing right now.

7/25/2006 8:51:30 PM

Its really sad because other than failing to disarm Hezbollah, Lebanon was a good example how a country can work with different groups of people.

7/25/2006 8:55:10 PM

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"I don't think anyone here hates the jews"

uh....i guess he isnt around...

7/25/2006 9:00:17 PM

0EPII1, would you cast out hezbollah's actions the same way you do israels? Is it okay for them to send rockets into airports, villages, and the like simply because they are terrorists?

7/25/2006 9:10:10 PM

I don't think thats ok, but I also don't think striking civilian targets all over Lebanon is ok either.

7/25/2006 9:12:37 PM

they are not aimlessly firing rockets into the civilian infrastructure. They at least have targeted hezbollah buildings.

7/25/2006 9:15:13 PM

Hey, Lebanon more than anyone should be pissed at Hezbollah. They had a number of years to get rid of them, they didn't. I'm sure the innocent civilians in southern lebanon moved into their current home thinking, 'OMG this missle storage/launch site will really lighten up the place!'

Lebanon is NOT an example of how well a country can work with different groups of people...it was a good example of how a minority can rule the majority. And that's exactly what Hezbollah was doing because the Lebanon military was not strong enough to 'beat' the Hezbollah military. How is that a good example of different groups of people?

Actually, ISRAEL is a good example of how well a country can work with different groups of people. Suicide bombers aside, Israel employeed plenty of non-jews. And actually, non-jews have the EXACT SAME RIGHTS as jews with the exception that they don't have to serve in the military. Seems like a pretty good system to me.

7/25/2006 9:15:57 PM

^^ of course I would.

But then again, hezbolla is NOT claiming to minimize civilian hits, is it?

In fact, it WANTS to kill civilians.

Israel, on the other hand, a "civilized" "Western" "democracy", a signatory to all conventions on laws of war, human rights, and against torture, says it is trying to minimize civilian casualties.

But that is a JOKE, a SICK joke.

7/25/2006 9:16:16 PM

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"I'm sure the innocent civilians in southern lebanon moved into their current home thinking, 'OMG this missle storage/launch site will really lighten up the place!'"

Your sick jokes and laity in this regard only strengthen people's views of you as being ignorant.

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"Actually, ISRAEL is a good example of how well a country can work with different groups of people. Suicide bombers aside, Israel employeed plenty of non-jews. And actually, non-jews have the EXACT SAME RIGHTS as jews with the exception that they don't have to serve in the military. Seems like a pretty good system to me."

You are so pro-Israel (for what reason, I don't know), that you are blinded by your own misdirected passion.

Israel IS NOT the utopia you make it out to be when it comes to race relations.

First of all, there is massive racism directed from Ashkenazi Jews (European Jews) at Sephardic Jews (Black/North African Jews). Then there is the racism directed towards Arab-Israelis.

Look it up. Google it. Don't be a stereotypical ignorant American female.

And BTW, did you know that if you are an Israeli Jew, married to a Palestinian, you can't bring your spouse to Israel?

So much for ISRAEL is a good example of how well a country can work with different groups of people AND non-jews have the EXACT SAME RIGHTS as jews .

OH, and that's just one example. As I said, Google it, don't be blind.

7/25/2006 9:24:51 PM

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"They at least have targeted hezbollah buildings."

Even by Israels accounts that is not true.

7/25/2006 9:25:02 PM

these UN observers were observing too much destruction and they were taken out by Israel. Israel also took out 2 of the Lebanese tv stations that could show the truth of what was going on in the south.

7/25/2006 9:28:56 PM

I don't think they took out the UN like that.

7/25/2006 9:29:37 PM

I don't need to google anything....and if 'google' is your main source of information, then I'm gonna go ahead and laugh and then step out of this thread. Actually, I'm not surprised your answer is to google everything...typical clueless internet user.

7/25/2006 9:30:03 PM

Wow, way to proclaim your bliss in ignorance.

7/25/2006 9:30:51 PM

apparently they pulled the trigger by accident.

7/25/2006 9:34:10 PM

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"I don't need to google anything....and if 'google' is your main source of information, then I'm gonna go ahead and laugh and then step out of this thread. Actually, I'm not surprised your answer is to google everything...typical clueless internet user."

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

You stupid idiot, google is not a source, but a library.

Google to find news reports, articles by Amnesty, HRW, etc etc... sigh

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 9:40 PM. Reason : fuckin rabid pro-israelis with horse-blinders]

7/25/2006 9:39:53 PM

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"Actually, ISRAEL is a good example of how well a country can work with different groups of people."

It's a prime example of how one group of people can bulldoze the other group of people's houses and force them into refugee camps.

7/25/2006 9:58:57 PM

The south worked pretty well when they didn't allow blacks anywhere

7/25/2006 10:25:17 PM

Israel acts like a person that was sexually abused as a child, who goes around sexually abusing others out of some subconscious traumatic reflex.

7/25/2006 11:33:28 PM

^ They actually use that as an excuse for slaughtering others (the fact that they suffered under the Nazis).

And use slogans like "Never Again".

But, they are only acting like the Nazis themselves.

ZioNazis.

7/25/2006 11:37:11 PM

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"But then again, hezbolla is NOT claiming to minimize civilian hits, is it? In fact, it WANTS to kill civilians."

wait, so that puts Hezbollah ABOVE Israel and makes it horrible for Israel, who is intentionally NOT TARGETING civilians, to go out and take out Hezbollah? Call me crazy, but I can't find the logic.

Really, explain to me why you are so quick to bash Israel for posturing in a manner which is undeniably defensive while you fail to condemn Hezbollah for taking an unquestionably offensive role? Moreover, why don't you condemn Hezbollah for it's BLATANT attacks on civilians? Did you HEAR the Hezbollah statement today? "We will fire deeper into Israel and try and kill more civilians!" I'm sorry, but HOW THE FUCK can you get mad at ISRAEL in that situation?

If I came up to you and said "I will kick you in the nuts every day from now on and piss in your eye while you writhe on the ground in pain," would you not break my leg or hurt me as soon as you saw me in order to keep me from following through by day 2 at the latest?

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 11:51 PM. Reason : ]

7/25/2006 11:50:35 PM

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"and only the absolutely most limp wristed fringe of pacifists and self-loathing americans would have anything to say against it."

I'd have something to say against it.

7/26/2006 4:25:24 AM

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"fuckin rabid pro anti-israelis with horse-blinders"

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"Israel, on the other hand, a "civilized" "Western" "democracy", a signatory to all conventions on laws of war, human rights, and against torture, says it is trying to minimize civilian casualties. But that is a JOKE, a SICK joke."

thats not a joke...thats a fact....

Hezbollah is trying to kill as many israeli civilians as possible. Israel, while they have killed significantly more civilians, is showing ENORMOUS amounts of restraint. They could just steamroll the place. If Hezbollah is going to hide amongst civilians, then civilians are going to die. Stop whining.

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 8:19 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/26/2006 8:14:31 AM

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"israel says it is carrying out smart surgucal strikes targetting hezbolla, right? then how come so many civilian buildings are getting levelled? errant bombs? "

yeah all those hezbollah complexes that are out on their own in the country with "hezbollah" painted on the roof should be the ones getting hit!!!!

seriously, stfu. their "offices" are in civilian buildings. THEY'RE in civilian buildings. they're cowards who know they can't stand toe to toe and so therefore hide like fuckings whipped dogs amongst women and children.

they cry like motherfuckers when women and children are amongst the dead. you and people of your ilk only have HEZBOLLAH and other organizations who do this shit to blame for the civilian dead.

meet the IDF in real battle on a real battlefield and this wouldn't happen, now would it?

oh is the six day war a bitter memory? can't get the gumption up to give it another shot?

fucking cowards.

7/26/2006 8:32:41 AM

I don't understand the logic behind this. Israel shells this position for an entire day and then blows up the bunker and the UN observers with a precision guided munition. This is despite ten calls by the UN observers to the Israelis to stop firing on them. This wasn't simply an "Oops, we missed you," either the Israelis command and control is beginning to collapse or the Israelis were intentionally trying to blow them up.

7/26/2006 10:11:09 AM

Why were UN observers there in the first place? To phone in every once and a while, "Yup, a rocket was shot". Can't they observe with a satellite from space? Why put people in harms way. I'm a bit ignorant on the subject, so feel free to tell me all about whey the UN needs observers in a war zone.


[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 10:23 AM. Reason : -]

7/26/2006 10:22:29 AM

^^^ I guess the fact that Hezbollah "strongholds" are located in civilian offices and locations couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Hezbollah is an active part of Lebanese society...

They are not just a bunch of crazy brown people with rocket launchers, they are also a political organization, and I understand that they provide some social services to the Lebanese people.

So they are not hiding behind civilians; rather, they are a part of civilian society. That doesn't make them cowards.

Seriously, stfu. Killing civilians is killing civilians. Plain and simple. It ain't right.

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 10:25 AM. Reason : .]

7/26/2006 10:25:30 AM

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"Why were UN observers there in the first place? To phone in every once and a while, "Yup, a rocket was shot". Can't they observe with a satellite from space? Why put people in harms way. I'm a bit ignorant on the subject, so feel free to tell me all about whey the UN needs observers in a war zone."

From the UN Website: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/

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"According to Security Council resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, UNIFIL was established to: Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon; Restore international peace and security; Assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area. Most recently the mandate of UNIFIL was extended until 31 July 2006 by Security Council resolution 1655 (2006) of 31 January 2006. "

Please note that it took 18 years for the Israelis to withdrawal, the Lebanese still do not have effective authority over the area, and obviously peace and security do not exist in the region.

So please tell me, for a building that's probably been there for over twenty years, how the hell do the Israelis accidentally shell it for nearly a day and then eventually blow it up with a precision guided munition accidentally?

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 11:07 AM. Reason : Found the original UN Mandate]

7/26/2006 11:02:47 AM

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"I guess the fact that Hezbollah "strongholds" are located in civilian offices and locations couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Hezbollah is an active part of Lebanese society... They are not just a bunch of crazy brown people with rocket launchers, they are also a political organization, and I understand that they provide some social services to the Lebanese people. So they are not hiding behind civilians; rather, they are a part of civilian society. That doesn't make them cowards. Seriously, stfu. Killing civilians is killing civilians. Plain and simple. It ain't right. "

1) are you kidding me?? This is actually justification for an all out war...your an idiot

2) they are just a bunch of crazy brown people...the fact that they are a part of the government too is actually all the justification that israel needs to do anything they want to to

3) they are hiding behind civilians because they wont come out and fight...if they want to wage a war against israel...and thier offices are set up in civilian location...guess what...its THIER fault that civilians are dying...not israels

4) they are cowards....if they werent they would stand and fight...

using civilians as human shields is wrong...plain and simple

7/26/2006 11:50:37 AM

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"your an idiot"

never ceases to amaze

7/26/2006 11:51:16 AM

oh, now your supposably the expert?

7/26/2006 11:59:19 AM

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"your an idiot"

Naw, yer an idjut.

Dude, seriously.

It's not like Hezbollah was all chilling out on their own in the middle of the desert and then decided to run for cover in the nearest civilian buildings.

They are an INTEGRATED part of Lebanese society. For good or for ill, they take an active role in their community. There's a difference between this and "using civilians as shields."

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"using civilians as human shields is wrong...plain and simple"

Do I need to point out that, killing civilians that are being used as shields (if that were happening, but I maintain that it's not happening) is just as wrong -- if not more wrong -- then using the civilians as shields?

7/26/2006 12:02:31 PM

*than

7/26/2006 12:06:21 PM