i just finished

by richard hardwood and now with all this israel stuff in the news i'm thinking more and more that this may be true.

issue at hand-many jews were killed by the nazis, there is no denying that and nobody is trying to

BUT 6MILLION KILLED IN GAS CHAMBERS AND INCENERATED IN OVENS ALL WHILE THE REGIME IS ALLOCATING MOST OF ITS RESOURCES TO TAKING OVER ALMOST HALF THE WORLD AND ALMOST SUCCEEDING?

IMPOSSIBLE
motive- to give zionist radicals justification to get the world to help establish israel
-to feel better about all the lives lost stopping hitler
-to drown any wrongdoings of allied power during the war
-to smuggle more jews into israel that were really "dead"
basic points

* Nazis did not use gas chambers to mass murder Jews. Small chambers did exist for delousing and Zyklon-B was used in this process, but larger chambers were not built, or would not have worked if built.

* Nazis did not use cremation ovens to dispose of extermination victims. The amount of energy required to fire the ovens far exceeded what the energy-strapped nation could spare in wartime. The cremation ovens that existed would have been too small for this purpose and the reason there were cremation ovens at all was they were put in to provide cremation services for the deaths from natural causes and disease epidemics that could reasonably be expected in a high-density work camp.

* The figure of 5-6 million Jewish deaths is an exaggeration, and many Jews who actually emigrated to Russia, Britain, Palestine and the United States are included in the number.

* Many photos and much of the film footage shown after World War II was specially manufactured as propaganda against the Nazis by the Allied forces. For example, one film, shown to Germans after the war, of supposed Holocaust victims were in fact German civilians being treated after Allied bombing of Dresden. Pictures we commonly see show victims of starvation or typhus, not of gassing.

* Claims of what the Nazis supposedly did to the Jews were all intended to facilitate the Allies in their intention to enable the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and are currently used to garner support for the policies of the state of Israel, especially in its dealings with the Palestinians.

* Historical proof for the Holocaust is falsified or deliberately misinterpreted.

* There is an American, British or Jewish conspiracy to make Jews look like victims and to demonize Germans. Also, it was in the Soviet interest to propagate wild stories about Germany in order to frighten related nations into accepting Soviet rule (Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.). The amount of money pumped into Israel and reparations from Germany alone give Israel a strong incentive to maintain this conspiracy.

* The overwhelming number of academics and historians are too afraid actually to admit that the Holocaust was a fiction; they know they will lose their jobs if they speak up.

* The "official" research into the Holocaust is inherently biased because it is considered immoral, and it is often illegal, to attempt to question its extent. For example, an article revising the number of victims of the Holocaust up from 5-6 million to 8 million could in principle be considered valid research, whereas any article revising this number downwards would be automatically labeled "anti-Semitic" and denied print, and its author could be persecuted. This violates the basic principles of scientific method and calls the results into question.[10]

* The Holocaust pales in comparison to the number of dissidents and Christians killed in Soviet gulags, which can be attributed to Jews; and to the number of non-Jews killed by Nazis during World War II.

* Although crimes were committed, they were not centrally orchestrated and thus the Nazi leadership bore no responsibility for the implementation of such a policy.

* There was no specific order by Adolf Hitler or other top Nazi officials to exterminate the Jews.

I did more research and this website brings out very interesting facts.
http://christianparty.net/holocaust.htm

Quote :

"What about the population of jews? Per World Almanac figures, it INCREASED by 584,549 between 1941 and 1948!"

so you mean jewish population really increased by 6,684,549? move over china...

Quote :

"Why do reputable references like Encyclopedia Britannica report that there 447,274 MORE jews in 1948, AFTER the war, than there were in 1933, BEFORE the war? why were there 264 million FEWER Christians in the world in 1948 than there would have been without WWII (an event which reduced Europe's total population by more than 25%)? If the 1942 and 1949 World Almanacs are correct (that there were 15.2 million jews in the world in 1941 and 15.75 million in 1948), and if the natural increase of jews was an unprecedented [unprecedented particularly for jews] rate of 1.5% per year for six years, then in 1947 there would have been 16.6 million jews, 850,000 more than reported by these reputable, unbiased references."

Quote :

" Why did the US government keep the Nazi Master Plan to destroy Christian churches classified for half a century Why did the number of dead jews mysteriously decrease from 8 million to 74,000 with no media fanfare? Why did jews worldwide not celebrate the sudden reappearance of 7,926,000 supposedly holocausted jews?"

http://www.codoh.com/gcgv/gcgvself.html
and another

http://www.natall.com/national-vanguard/assorted/hoax.html

so don't go refuting these claims until you have read all these sites and heard both sides of the story. We all already know the "official" story so lets try and stay open minded here and hear all sides before formulating an opinion.

also note that the tittle of the thread is a question and not a statement.

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 2:17 PM. Reason : fixed]

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 2:19 PM. Reason : gg]

7/27/2006 2:17:14 PM

I guess you didn't die yet today

7/27/2006 2:24:12 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling this thread isn't going to improve your reputation around here.

7/27/2006 2:24:26 PM

wait for it.....

7/27/2006 2:24:31 PM

salisburyboy disappears and douchenozzle mcgee shows up

we can't get a break

7/27/2006 2:25:19 PM

we need

moderation

7/27/2006 2:27:23 PM

Man does this make all posts you've ever made irrelevant...well I guess not really, they proved that on their own merits.

7/27/2006 2:41:28 PM

7/27/2006 2:49:37 PM

Quote :

"The "official" research into the Holocaust is inherently biased because it is considered immoral, and it is often illegal, to attempt to question its extent."

Yeah, those laws are extremely stupid.

Quote :

"whereas any article revising this number downwards would be automatically labeled "anti-Semitic" and denied print."

This is mainly there's not a good case for revising the number downwards. Though actually, I think some academic estimates go as low as 4.8 million Jews killed. Really, what difference does it make?

Quote :

"The Holocaust pales in comparison to the number of dissidents and Christians killed in Soviet gulags, which can be attributed to Jews"

Quote :

"and to the number of non-Jews killed by Nazis during World War II"

Yeah. Everyone knows millions of non-Jews died as well.

7/27/2006 2:49:38 PM

wow cxmai! You learned to cut & paste!!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

7/27/2006 2:52:21 PM

Claims made by Holocaust deniers

Holocaust deniers make the following claims, though not all Holocaust deniers make all of the claims listed[9]:

* Nazis did not use gas chambers to mass murder Jews. Small chambers did exist for delousing and Zyklon-B was used in this process, but larger chambers were not built, or would not have worked if built.
* Nazis did not use cremation ovens to dispose of extermination victims. The amount of energy required to fire the ovens far exceeded what the energy-strapped nation could spare in wartime. The cremation ovens that existed would have been too small for this purpose and the reason there were cremation ovens at all was they were put in to provide cremation services for the deaths from natural causes and disease epidemics that could reasonably be expected in a high-density work camp.
* The figure of 5-6 million Jewish deaths is an exaggeration, and many Jews who actually emigrated to Russia, Britain, Palestine and the United States are included in the number.
* Many photos and much of the film footage shown after World War II was specially manufactured as propaganda against the Nazis by the Allied forces. For example, one film, shown to Germans after the war, of supposed Holocaust victims were in fact German civilians being treated after Allied bombing of Dresden. Pictures we commonly see show victims of starvation or typhus, not of gassing.
* Claims of what the Nazis supposedly did to the Jews were all intended to facilitate the Allies in their intention to enable the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and are currently used to garner support for the policies of the state of Israel, especially in its dealings with the Palestinians.
* Historical proof for the Holocaust is falsified or deliberately misinterpreted.
* There is an American, British or Jewish conspiracy to make Jews look like victims and to demonize Germans. Also, it was in the Soviet interest to propagate wild stories about Germany in order to frighten related nations into accepting Soviet rule (Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.). The amount of money pumped into Israel and reparations from Germany alone give Israel a strong incentive to maintain this conspiracy.
* The overwhelming number of academics and historians are too afraid actually to admit that the Holocaust was a fiction; they know they will lose their jobs if they speak up.
* The "official" research into the Holocaust is inherently biased because it is considered immoral, and it is often illegal, to attempt to question its extent. For example, an article revising the number of victims of the Holocaust up from 5-6 million to 8 million could in principle be considered valid research, whereas any article revising this number downwards would be automatically labeled "anti-Semitic" and denied print, and its author could be persecuted. This violates the basic principles of scientific method and calls the results into question.[10]
* The Holocaust pales in comparison to the number of dissidents and Christians killed in Soviet gulags, which Holocaust deniers usually attribute to Jews; and to the number of non-Jews killed by Nazis during World War II.

7/27/2006 2:59:47 PM

cxmai, fill in the blank: "A c___k in one's armor"

Can someone suspend this troll please?

7/27/2006 3:00:23 PM

lol

you can never post here cxmai. no one will ever, EVER take anything you have to say seriously

you have NO credibility. so, please, never post again

7/27/2006 3:00:32 PM

cxmai, this site refutes every single point that you are trying to make:

http://www.nizkor.org/

take a look at it

7/27/2006 3:08:25 PM

holy crap. everyone has a consensus. this is a great day.


cxmai. i just plain don't like you.


this thread is retarded.

7/27/2006 3:19:36 PM

I'm starting to think cxmai may just be a fairly clever troll.

And to think, I kind of agreed with him/her at first...

7/27/2006 3:19:57 PM

hey it's salisburymai!

what a bitch. It is totally salisburyboy. It fucking has to be.

Oh and was the hoaxlocaust performed in hezbollapitals by hezbolloctors?



That's some classic cxmai shit right there. I lol'd for hours.

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2006 3:25:31 PM

Nah, the style is completely different.

7/27/2006 3:26:49 PM

im thinking someone stole themselves an account.

i bet its padowack.

7/27/2006 3:27:25 PM

Quote :

"many jews were killed by the nazis, there is no denying that and nobody is trying to "

nobody but you

7/27/2006 3:28:17 PM

Cuong Xuan Mai
Undeclared
Sophomore
Phone: 919-954-7048
cxmai@unity.ncsu.edu

someone call

7/27/2006 3:29:47 PM

Quote :

"This is mainly there's not a good case for revising the number downwards. Though actually, I think some academic estimates go as low as 4.8 million Jews killed. Really, what difference does it make?"

Agreed. Regardless of how many millions of people were killed, it was one of the darkest moments of human history. I don't quite understand why it matters if 6 million Jews were killed or 4.5 million.

7/27/2006 3:32:39 PM

its like the jews were bees on the tv, and the nazis swung a bat but the jews knew that they were going to swing the bat, so they got out of the way, but then published pictures of dead bees and told everyone that the nazis had hit them with a bat, and then they went off and started a bee homeland because everyone felt so bad, even though nobody bothered to buy the nazis a new tv that they smashed because of the jew bees

7/27/2006 3:33:51 PM

\/\/4TCH 0U7 F0R T3H B33Z 0|\| T3H T33V33

7/27/2006 3:38:52 PM

cxmai, anti-Semitism is directly link to insanity. LOL

Nah, but for real, there have been some evil leaders and whatnot and one thing many of them have in common is hating the Jews... And suicidal artists, authors, geniuses, scientists, inventors, etc...? Obsessed with hating Jews.

This is just a pop observation (very superficial) but seriously anti-Semitism is not a good sign when it comes to a person's mental and emotional stability. Not a good sign at all, dude. So stop reading your bullshit, stop obsessing with it, and come join us in the semi-sane world.

7/27/2006 3:43:53 PM

Quote :

"I'm starting to think cxmai may just be a fairly clever troll. And to think, I kind of agreed with him/her at first..."

See, I would say I think he's a troll too, but I've got several PMs in my inbox where it's obvious that I'm really getting to him.

What kind of piss poor troll actually lets someone that's obviously trolling them get under their skin like that?

7/27/2006 3:52:03 PM

not just a troll, its padowack

7/27/2006 3:53:35 PM

so no one's gonna call up that number and see if the actual person posting is indeed the person who's information is being used?

7/27/2006 4:02:20 PM

you see, it's like if your spouse brings home stolen goods (the rhineland). Yeah, it's good as hell, but the moral fabric sucks.

this person rides the moral high horse and feels bad for the lebanese children, but ACTIVELY ROOTS for Iran to nuke israel.

Where's the moral fabric there?

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 4:07 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2006 4:07:09 PM

hey cxmai.....ummm...soooo....

WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
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WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS???WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS???WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS???WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS???

7/27/2006 4:11:17 PM

we're past that

remember, it was a "real representation of what once were lebanese children"

7/27/2006 4:12:02 PM

Quote :

"I'm starting to think cxmai may just be a fairly clever troll."

STARTING to?

7/27/2006 4:12:02 PM

how about this one that was NEVER answered:

answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?
answer me. were you serious about wanting iran to nuke israel?

7/27/2006 4:13:40 PM

Currently Online? : No

7/27/2006 4:15:50 PM

cxmai sounds like an ultra liberal

7/27/2006 4:19:40 PM

^ huh?

please explain your definition of "liberal"

7/27/2006 4:26:41 PM

Quote :

"Nazis did not use cremation ovens to dispose of extermination victims. The amount of energy required to fire the ovens far exceeded what the energy-strapped nation could spare in wartime."

NOW THATS A COGENT ARGUMENT

7/27/2006 4:34:06 PM

haha...good point....but im stuck in the past sooo...the question remains...

WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????
WHY DID YOU POST PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FAKE BURNS AND TRY TO PASS THEM OFF AS POOR LEBANESE KIDS????

7/27/2006 4:34:55 PM

Seriously.

People.

YOU PEOPLE.

Alias.

=

Who gives a shit?

7/27/2006 4:35:44 PM

.... are you fucking kidding me?

I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the group of people who doesn't believe:
-the earth is round
-we landed on the moom
-the holocaust happened

ect...

I wonder what the common character traits are.. and why they believe what they do.

7/27/2006 4:40:04 PM

paranoia

7/27/2006 4:43:37 PM

They all want to be a part of something.

7/27/2006 4:48:25 PM

just because conspiracies exist, doesnt mean everything is a conspiracy

7/27/2006 4:54:47 PM

Quote :

"STARTING to?"

If so, it's pretty good trolling. I mean, I figured it was an alias of some sort, but that doesn't automatically imply trolling.

7/27/2006 5:49:01 PM

israel did it

7/27/2006 5:57:05 PM

interesting how salisbury has been gone lately but yet in his absence this person with 350 posts shows up to fill in his blanks. quite interesting...

7/27/2006 5:59:47 PM

^^is that a costume?

7/27/2006 6:53:27 PM

wow this one got outta hand quickly

7/27/2006 6:59:26 PM

12 pages

7/27/2006 7:08:42 PM

she isn't real btw

7/27/2006 8:20:44 PM